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SactownTom
07-13-2004, 01:42 PM
I have always thought that it was an 'understanding' that there was NO JUMPING allowed in a One Pocket game.
Regional differences not withstanding, is this a generally accepted practice?
NH Steve
07-13-2004, 01:51 PM
Tom, you must mean jump cues... Jumping with your regular cue has been a part of the One Pocket game forever -- such as the standard end game intentional off-the-table jump, of course...
SactownTom
07-13-2004, 01:59 PM
Tom, you must mean jump cues... Jumping with your regular cue has been a part of the One Pocket game forever -- such as the standard end game intentional off-the-table jump, of course...
:D
No, I was speaking of the Jump shot. Using your cue to jump over balls to make a ball or whatever. Not the intentional jump off the table, resulting in a foul "jump" shot.
Now, "Jump cues" are something else. As of Jan. 1st 2005, no "jump cues" will be allowed in Hard Times Billiards tournaments.
NH Steve
07-13-2004, 02:17 PM
:D
No, I was speaking of the Jump shot. Using your cue to jump over balls to make a ball or whatever. Not the intentional jump off the table, resulting in a foul "jump" shot.
Now, "Jump cues" are something else. As of Jan. 1st 2005, no "jump cues" will be allowed in Hard Times Billiards tournaments.
I'd say the game should allow the standard legal style jump shot -- performed with a standard cue stick. Jump cues I'd lean against, at first thought...
Of course whether the room or the TD adds restrictions -- which would help preserve the cloth, for one thing :) -- that's their perogative. You might have to be careful about undermining the end game jump situation though -- that's pretty important!
kollegedave
07-13-2004, 02:36 PM
There was this really good player in St. Louis who used to jump the stack to make balls in his pocket or in his opponents (to escape a trap), I always assumed this was legal b/c of the stories.
I have also heard of Ronnie Allen shooting short-rail jump banks. So, have always thought that any jump is legal provided that the TD/Room Owner allows it, and the jump is performed without a jump cue.
kollegedave
I'd say the game should allow the standard legal style jump shot -- performed with a standard cue stick. Jump cues I'd lean against, at first thought...
Of course whether the room or the TD adds restrictions -- which would help preserve the cloth, for one thing :) -- that's their perogative. You might have to be careful about undermining the end game jump situation though -- that's pretty important!
redhell
07-13-2004, 03:01 PM
:D
Now, "Jump cues" are something else. As of Jan. 1st 2005, no "jump cues" will be allowed in Hard Times Billiards tournaments.
Tom, may I dare to ask why ?
SactownTom
07-13-2004, 03:10 PM
Tom, may I dare to ask why ?
Hard Times covers its tournament tables twice a year. No cloth is older than 6 months. The best playing conditions are kept available.
Jump Cues promote much more JUMPS. More Jumps increase table damage.
Hopefully this will promote more players learning how to use one, two or more rail kicks.
yobagua
07-13-2004, 06:13 PM
Ive seen Rafael use jump shots in the most amazing ways. He will bank a ball in a way that after hitting that bank the cueball will jump over the rack and leave it undisturbed. Had he just banked it the cue ball would have shattered the rack. Ive also seen him masse/jump a ball to get at a ball on the opponents side of the table. If you are concerned about table wear then youve got to talk about masse's as well.
SactownTom
07-13-2004, 06:37 PM
Ive seen Rafael use jump shots in the most amazing ways. He will bank a ball in a way that after hitting that bank the cueball will jump over the rack and leave it undisturbed. Had he just banked it the cue ball would have shattered the rack. Ive also seen him masse/jump a ball to get at a ball on the opponents side of the table. If you are concerned about table wear then youve got to talk about masse's as well.
Masse's don't compare at all to the number of 'jump shots'. The Jump cue has made even the most novice of players capable of attempting the jump.
When was the last time you saw someone practicing a masse or kick? And, then when was the last time you saw someone playing with their new Jump cue?
I would rather see pool players learn to use the subtle masse and learn how to use single and multiple rails to kick at a ball, than use a jump cue.
yobagua
07-14-2004, 04:21 PM
I dont disagree with you Tom but I just wanted to mention that Ive seen a lot of tops ruined by poor attempts at the masse shot.
SactownTom
07-15-2004, 01:54 AM
I dont disagree with you Tom but I just wanted to mention that Ive seen a lot of tops ruined by poor attempts at the masse shot.
This is a discussion and all opinions are welcome. You are certainly correct in your statement. There was a standard 'sign' in almost all pool halls.
"No Masse shots" and then there was the one that killed me everytime I saw it, "NO GAMBLING"
Both signs were enforced 90% of the time.
Also, there were signs that said "NO JUMP Shots"
Times change.
In today's pool rooms, there are more players with jump cues thinking they can jump easier that kicking or the subtle masse. And for the most part, they are correct. It is easier. Hence, more jump shots, more table cloth damage. Much more today, than the masse shots. This is my point.
You can perform a masse shot two ways. With the cue vertically (ala Rafael's shots) or just jacked up a little to curve the cue ball around the blocking ball and then straighten up and make contact with the OB.
The second way is the most common shot and what I would call the subtle masse.
Regardless, Jump cues will not be allowed at HTB Jan 1st 2005. If you want to jump, you must use a full lenth cue.
D Money1644
07-24-2004, 07:36 PM
tom it sounds to me like you're more worried about illegal "scoop" jumps than a regular legal jump. im no jumper but my understanding is that when you perform a legal jump there is little risk of the cue tip hitting the cloth. am i wrong here? can someone describe the technique for a legal jump shot (preferably with a full-size cue if that makes a difference)?
A1 NutZ
07-25-2004, 01:39 PM
I really think that jumping balls in one-pocket is totally wrong. Of course this is my own opinion, but I think it takes the skill out of the game. If I put someone in a deadlock safe and I had to just do like 20 moves to get him there, I don't want the guy to be able to just get up and jump over what I just worked so hard to stick him behind. I kick, masse a little bit, but I never jump a ball. I would usually take an intentional foul to get out of jams that institute a jumped ball, or either leave them really long.
crawdaddio
07-27-2004, 09:52 AM
The only time I jump in 1P is to clear the very edge of a ball. I think it is perfectly ok to do this. However, I agree that jump cues should not be allowed in 1P. :o
SactownTom
07-27-2004, 11:44 AM
tom it sounds to me like you're more worried about illegal "scoop" jumps than a regular legal jump. im no jumper but my understanding is that when you perform a legal jump there is little risk of the cue tip hitting the cloth. am i wrong here? can someone describe the technique for a legal jump shot (preferably with a full-size cue if that makes a difference)?
I have never seen anyone ever jump in a 1P match. I was wondering if it was ever a 'gentleman's' agreement that JUMP shots were not allowed?
BTW, jump cues will be banned from all of Hard Times Billiards of Sacramento CA tournaments starting Jan 1st 2005
Pelican
07-27-2004, 01:38 PM
Masse's don't compare at all to the number of 'jump shots'. The Jump cue has made even the most novice of players capable of attempting the jump.
When was the last time you saw someone practicing a masse or kick? And, then when was the last time you saw someone playing with their new Jump cue?
I would rather see pool players learn to use the subtle masse and learn how to use single and multiple rails to kick at a ball, than use a jump cue.
I find it odd that a lot of the clubs/bars or team plays in have signs "No Masse Allowed" on the walls and on the tables by the coin slots. They never say anything about a jump shot. Like you say, it's the inexperienced youngster that has to ue his new 'toy' that causes the damage. Not a seasoned player that understands how to perform either shot.
Later, Pel :)
SLIMKID
07-27-2004, 06:58 PM
dont forget about the break shots (not one pocket but 9 ball and 8 ball) ... they also cause tables wear. and you cant forget about poeple that like to rifle balls into the corner. because if they miss alot then it causes the rails to become dead... so break cues should also be bannished...
sorry for the sarcasm. not trying to be a jerk and i am VERY respectfull of the house rules and treat the tables i play on as if they were my own tables because i know how much work and money it takes to keep them up but i just dont understand something. if you re-cover the tables every 6 months or so and you also have poeple that dont "abuse" the tables then do jump cues cause that much wear and tear on your tables? i could care less about using jump cues cause i can just as easily jump a ball with my full cue. just dont understand why everyone is so against jump cues...
again.. sorry if this is taken the wrong way. im not trying to start an argument or anything like that... just curious as to why everyone is so against jump cues.
SactownTom
07-27-2004, 08:43 PM
just curious as to why everyone is so against jump cues.
The reasons I am against jump cues are;
1. The shots damage the table. Wear it out faster and can cause cloth divots. When more players use jump cues, they use them rather than trying to kick or use a subtle masse shot.
2. Almost anyone can learn to use a jump cue in less than 5 minutes. And, when the do learn, it's the first thing they pull out when there is the least bit of obstruction.
3. I also think it is dis-respectful to the game of pocket billiards. IMO it is a gimmick device. I am sure there are a lot of cue makers that are making some good short term cash on these devices.
Bottom line, the more players that have jump cues and use them, the more avoidable table wear there will be.
The USPPA has also taken a stance against Jump Cues as well as other organizations. There are some regional tours that have joined in the banning of Jump cues.
Jump Cues and Other Industry Travesties
I would like to take this opportunity to elaborate on some of the reasons behind the recent decision in policy discontinuing the use of jump cues.
First and foremost, despite assurances to the contrary by manufacturers, the proliferation of jump cues not only alters the tradition behind the game, but also without question affects the cloth and the overall playing condition of the table.
Despite numerous attempts by self-proclaimed billiard experts to use golf as a comparison, golf is simply not an appropriate analogy. The playing surface in golf is not one that consists of a flat or regular substance throughout.
Having lived part time for 5 years in Monterey, one of the most spectacular and historic golf Meccas of our time, I have had the opportunity to discuss this with numerous golf industry experts. It is a matter of fact that golf courses that have spectacular changes in elevation, surface, length of rough, etc. are well prized for their difficulty as well as their drama and beauty. Currently the golf industry in general is struggling with improvements in technology that allow the average player to hit balls as straight and distant as Tiger Woods who regularly spends numerous hours correcting and perfecting mechanics tendencies in order to preserve the history and integrity of the golf record books as well as the mystery and right of passage required to attain his skill level.
I find it surprising that prominent members of the billiard intelligentsia might not consider snooker as a corroborating reference. They certainly have simplified the matter by outlawing jump shots and massés. While swerve is allowed, any shot that could possibly result in a foul stroke is regulated against, including being allowed a free shot away from a frozen ball. It is not surprising to me that snooker is frequently played in front of large crowds for 1st place money as large as 300,000 pounds, while billiards and pool languish in obscurity. The great games as we knew them are currently reduced to sideshows such as trick shot competitions and glorified T & A reviews. The perhaps unintended result is the great players of our age being forced to travel the countryside, like aging gunslingers or displaced samurai known in feudal Japan as Ronin, in most cases unable to eke out a reasonable living from their trade.
I will certainly give the industry credit for lack of business sense in this case for supporting continued rules aberrations that relieve players from the need to develop skills one might acquire playing three cushion, carom, and snooker thus further reducing the need to continue to support these games financially. Fortunately, the rise of the playing contingents from billiard playing countries emerging on the pocket billiard scene may stem the tide as their skill in safety and escape from same, given today's rules, increase their opportunity to dominate most fields and games played.
Personally, I suppose it might have been the path of least resistance simply to have pursued snooker some 35 years ago. But that was then and this is now. Fortunately, the USPPA and Tony Annigoni are not beholden to any billiard industry entity other than our own, and will not be influenced by patrimony now or in the future.
My challenge to debate all sanctimonious self-proclaimed billiard experts on any and all aspects of the industry remains open. Perhaps the BCA Trade Show would be the proper forum. Heaven forbid anyone would have to justify his or her position in public rather than hidden behind the cloak of a computer screen a la The Wizard of Oz.... Of course we could always have the manufacturers start making a table that isn't a 2 to 1 playing surface ratio, or one with sand as part of the composition so we could employ real pitching wedges as opposed to the surrogates in use now. I am sure that would go along well with the recent trend toward selling tables in home sauna outlets.
Thank the universe that Billiard Digest is not the only " journalistic outlet", and I use the term loosely - not as loosely as the BCA specs for tables however…
When conditions exist that would have Ewa Mataya enter the Hall of Fame prior to Jose Parica, perhaps the greatest cueist of this or any age, the voice of reason must be heard. While no one would doubt the numerous contributions Ewa has made to the Industry, the differential in playing skill must be taken into account. If any thing, the Hall of Fame should not in my opinion be a popularity contest.
But don't fret, I won't pick on the current billiard fraternity anymore, I am too busy making sure that everyone has a good reason to play billiards instead of just talking about it.
In closing, I would like to hazard that I highly doubt we would be enjoying the artistry of Efren Reyes kicking a ball three rails, clipping the edge of the object ball and re-snookering his opponent, had some patrimonious billiard manufacturer handed him a novelty cue at age 11, instead of walking him to a carom table to hone his skills.
Regards,
Tony Annigoni
Managing Partner USPPA
Principal Two Cushion Club
Principal Couture Events / Couture Marketing
NH Steve
07-27-2004, 09:22 PM
Here is what the World Standard Rules say about jumping: 3.27 JUMP SHOTS
Unless otherwise stated in rules for a specific game it is legal to cause the cue ball to rise off the bed of the table by elevating the cue stick on the shot, and forcing the cue ball to rebound from the bed of the table. Any miscue when executing a jump shot is a foul.
They make no reference to standard cues or specialized jump cues. Our own One Pocket rules can agree with this general guideline, or establish a specific requirement for the game of One Pocket. This is a great question, and I'm going to ask admin to add a poll to this thread :)
hemicudas
07-27-2004, 11:22 PM
I'm with the majority on this. Jump? Fine, you just have to use the cue you play with.
gulfportdoc
07-28-2004, 08:41 PM
The reasons I am against jump cues are;
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Bottom line, the more players that have jump cues and use them, the more avoidable table wear there will be.
The USPPA has also taken a stance against Jump Cues as well as other organizations. There are some regional tours that have joined in the banning of Jump cues.
Jump Cues and Other Industry Travesties
I would like to take this opportunity to elaborate on some of the reasons behind the recent decision in policy discontinuing the use of jump cues.
............................................
In closing, I would like to hazard that I highly doubt we would be enjoying the artistry of Efren Reyes kicking a ball three rails, clipping the edge of the object ball and re-snookering his opponent, had some patrimonious billiard manufacturer handed him a novelty cue at age 11, instead of walking him to a carom table to hone his skills.
Regards, Tony Annigoni
Managing Partner USPPA
Principal Two Cushion Club
Principal Couture Events / Couture Marketing
Hey Tom,
Great post! I like your reasoning, and I also couldn't agree more with Annigoni. Thanks for copying his letter here so we could read it.
I've always felt antipathy against the jump shot; and introducing special cues which make jumping even easier is beyond the pale. I'm sure there will be many more inventions to take the difficulty out of the game. But then-- why play it? Most of us like a challenge.
Cue games were meant to play in two dimensions-- not three. Leave the jump shot to the fancy trick-shot artists. They should be relegated to the curious, as was Sayinger spraying hairspray on the cue ball to show some amazing masse/curve shots.
Let's keep the cueball on the table.
Doc
Well I'm sure with the majority, NO jump cues in one hole. If you want to jump fine, use a full cue.
First of all it cuts the cloth. It does so by mashing the fibre thin and it makes dents in the cloth. It reminds me of dropping balls on the cloth. You know the clown with a full tray of balls, then just dumps them over. It also reminds me of the Sardo with the mine field from the dents to train the cloth. lol
I think the guy that invented the jump rod couldn't hit a one rail kick much less two or more. That's why the majority of people use them, they can't kick.
Lets not turn this game into a circus act, like what has been done with other games. For instance in snooker, jumps are illegal. Lets preserve this game with either no jumps or only with a full cue.
Lets face it, if you make a mistake or your opponent makes a good move, you have to pay the price. No cheap way out. JMO of course.
Rod
I have a lot to say about this thread and I would consider myself an expert being the owner of a pool room for 30 years and a player for 53 so I think I can shed some light on what a lot of you people do not realize.
First of all Tominsactown(is that right?) If you have never seen anyone jump in a one pocket game you have never watched much one pocket. I can remember so many times I have played shape on a ball and barely got snookered behind a ball but just barely so in order to keep a run going I would have to jump about a quarter of a ball. Now I do not necessarly like jump cues and I always use my own cue in that situation. Is that a jump shot? Of course it is, it is just easier than trying a combo. That is a legal shot so for the poster who wants to eliminate jump shots that would be penalizing bad speed on a shot for shape. So how are you ever going to ban jump cues and jump shots. How would you judge when it becomes legal or not. A jump shot is a jump shot whether it is part of a ball or the whole thing.
I have jumped balls in one pocket all my life and so have all the people I have played and it never came up.
I am not a fan of jump cues but they were invented, the serve a purpose and it might make some shots easier but they are not reasonable all the time and the rest of the game still comes in play so why ban them. I know golf is a lot different but they have clubs for every shot in the book including putters that look as small as jump cues and putters that look as long as a snooker bridge. Pool invents one lousy extra tool and all hell breaks loose with the oldtimers. Well I am an old timer and I say keep them and deal with them. Are we suppose to ban extensions too?
As far as damage to the tables that is malarkey. You people are only thinking of the players playing that are using them. Most of them are skilled and will never damage the table. The cue does not strike the cloth and if it did it would not do any damage. The tip is not a sharp instrument. A coin will do more damage , especially to Simonis cloth. Flip a quarter and if it lands right it will start a slight tear that is invisible to the naked eye but in a couple of days that tear will be bigger and bigger. Simonis is the worse for that but it is not the jump cue. The players who are playing, jumping balls, and jusing jump cues are the least of my worries. More damage is done in one weekend by the regular customers in than players will do in a month. So I worry more about that 90 percent of the people taking care of equipment. So the talk about damaging the tables is baloney and a terrible analogy. Thinkk about it, how many times in say a race to nine in a nine ball game willa jump cue come into play. Hardly at all. So even banning jump cues is a bunch of baloney. I probably wont ever use one but I dont mind if you do.
If I change my cloth once every six months it is not because the players abused it or it went bad it is probably because of good business wear and tear not somebody with a jump cue. It is a lame anolgy to try to get rid of them. If I see a yo yo that cannot hold a cue practicing masse shots I will stop him because I know he could do damage but a good player will not. I guarantee a good player will not do enough jump shots in a year to do enough damage to that table than the regular customers do in a month.
Tony Annigoni says jump cues take away from the game, I believe they add to the game, a difference of opinion. We are both old timers but I am older then him so "I win". lol.
He does not like comparing anything in pool to golf but I do. By the way talk about damage, what the hell do divots do in golf? How much do you think golf courses spend repairing them and replacing turf, or filling with sand? RE felting tables is nothing compared to that damage. Divots are caused by the "stick" of the golfer and how they hit the ball. Not any different than pool, except the pool stick does no damage. A better solution would be to ban practicing jump shots if I thought it was a concern, but players are hardly doing that either.
What if they banned the 60 degree wedge in golf? All hell would break loose.
Wow, this is a controversy that belongs in the trash bin.
How about a little logic
You play pool with a cue stick
A jump shot is legal
A jump cue is a cue stick
All jump shots are legal
SactownTom
08-04-2004, 12:00 PM
I have a lot to say about this thread and I would consider myself an expert being the owner of a pool room for 30 years and a player for 53 so I think I can shed some light on what a lot of you people do not realize.
Sounds like you run a nice room. Where and who are you?
Dick Cady
fasteddysbilliards.com
SactownTom
08-04-2004, 03:29 PM
Dick Cady
fasteddysbilliards.com
Welcome to OnePocket.org
Mr. Dick Cady,
Thanks for sharing your 'expert' opinions. This is an open forum and all posters are welcome to share their views.
I am from the Mid-west and have seen the game played a lot. Moving out here last year, I've seen what has been referred to as 'west coast style of One Pocket' Very offence oriented. Great 1Pkt players all over the west coast.
Woody_968
08-04-2004, 08:40 PM
Well Im gonna stick my neck out here and go against the flow. I dont think jump shots hurt the table or the game when done properly. Yes there can be a "dimple" but the table is not gonna stay perfect. Breaking 9ball from the same place everytime does more damage than a jump shot and that is allowed.
I will admitt I am on the fence as far as using jump cues in one pocket. I dont want to disrespect the game. But sometimes things change, and while many see the jump cue as making the game easier I see it as opening up a whole new world. Jump cues make getting over a ball and making contact easier, but to play well with a jump cue (making the ball or getting safe) still takes talent.
OldHasBeen
10-01-2004, 11:14 AM
I'll never forget a match I watched (and bet on) at the Tropicana Hotel in Vegas, way back when. Squirrel & Surfer Rod were playing One-Pocket on a bar table for $500 a game and every time squirrel would leave Rod on the other side of the stack with balls around his hole, Rod would just jump over the stack and bank a ball into his hole & run out or get at least 4 or 5 balls. Rod was using his normal cue.
Well after this happened about 3 or 4 times, Squirrel (Marshall Carpenter), made a big speach. "If this guy thinks he can keep doing this silly crap and Get The Cash - He'll Just Have To Bust Me".
Now I only had a Piece of a side bet on Rod and was only betting $20 a game so I went to bed about 2 am.
When I got back down to the Tournament Room at about 1 pm the next afternoon, the game was just getting over. SQUIRREL WENT BUSTED & my $20 bet returned $520.
About 3 month later in Nashville, I watched Squirrel playing $400 One-Pocket with a good player from N'Orleans and what do you think Squirrel was doing? - Thats Right - Jumping Over The Stack & Banking Balls Into His Hole.
hemicudas
10-01-2004, 11:56 AM
I'll never forget a match I watched (and bet on) at the Tropicana Hotel in Vegas, way back when. Squirrel & Surfer Rod were playing One-Pocket on a bar table for $500 a game and every time squirrel would leave Rod on the other side of the stack with balls around his hole, Rod would just jump over the stack and bank a ball into his hole & run out or get at least 4 or 5 balls. Rod was using his normal cue.
Well after this happened about 3 or 4 times, Squirrel (Marshall Carpenter), made a big speach. "If this guy thinks he can keep doing this silly crap and Get The Cash - He'll Just Have To Bust Me".
Now I only had a Piece of a side bet on Rod and was only betting $20 a game so I went to bed about 2 am.
When I got back down to the Tournament Room at about 1 pm the next afternoon, the game was just getting over. SQUIRREL WENT BUSTED & my $20 bet returned $520.
About 3 month later in Nashville, I watched Squirrel playing $400 One-Pocket with a good player from N'Orleans and what do you think Squirrel was doing? - Thats Right - Jumping Over The Stack & Banking Balls Into His Hole.
Great story, OHB. Also great to see you on this awesome site. Never played Squirrel. In fact, I have never seen him play. I have seen him many times at tournaments and other places but he was never in action. Surfer Rod is another "?" though. Never played Rod one pocket but I did jump into that, "8 ball FIRE", once. I had a tee shirt made up in Ft. Walton Beach, FL in 1974 that said on the front, "POOL HUSTLER". On the back it said, "Let's play $20, 8 ball". This worked well in the bars back then because all the bangers played 8 ball and thought 9 ball was a luck game. The player I was with, Bill Stack, played bar table 8 ball at top speed at the time. He and I walked out of a bar in Jackson, MS one afternoon, finding no action in the place. I ask a guy walking into the place if he wanted to play some $20, 8 ball and the guy says he will try me a few.
We walk back into the bar and crank it up. I get very lucky and win the first two games. The next two games told me to put the other, Bill, in action. It took him two full days but the, Bill, tag team tapped out.
For those who have never heard of Surfer Rod, he was a very good one pocket player but at this time he was probably the top 8 ball player in the country.
Yes, he hustled us to play one pocket after the 8 ball fiasco but we figured the other side of that, hot horseshoe, probably looked the same.
bjspivey
10-20-2004, 09:33 PM
where is the Surf now? Is he still with us? We had a ball in Birmingham 1979-80 at the tourney that no one got paid,Fats was mad as a wet hen,even madder when I showed up,my father [Brier]sent me to collect 1,000 of his winning's he staked him for earlier, He was to be paid 1'500 to show some of his style there.He played fair 1-p now dident he?Any-way--Fats gave me Half of the $$ and Half of his BIG Suite,I played a little cards sold some dimonds,ran with the Fat- man had a lot of fun, please reply, also I know we know each other!!! B.J.the bandit :eek: ps;The Fat-Man sure could tell some tells :D , what great times those were!! Steve Cook won the un paid event!!
ajrack
10-22-2004, 01:04 AM
Golfers are allowed to use different clubs for different curcumstances...
Bowlers can use any combinations of balls for either the first or second shots...
Obviously, pool rooms or tourney directors can handle the local needs for their own rooms, but, I do think for "BIG tourneys", jump cues should be allowed.
vagabond
11-25-2004, 06:21 PM
Golfers are allowed to use different clubs for different curcumstances...
Bowlers can use any combinations of balls for either the first or second shots...
Obviously, pool rooms or tourney directors can handle the local needs for their own rooms, but, I do think for "BIG tourneys", jump cues should be allowed.
Howdy,
In the US Open one pocket tournament conducted a week ago at Plaza casino and Hotel in Las Vegas,Jump Cues were not allowed.Cheers
Vagabond
gulfportdoc
11-25-2004, 11:07 PM
Howdy,
In the US Open one pocket tournament conducted a week ago at Plaza casino and Hotel in Las Vegas,Jump Cues were not allowed.Cheers
Vagabond
"Vagabond", I hear you moved out west. I won't mention the city, in order to protect your anonymity. Mark and a few of us miss seeing you around the poolroom. Send me a note if you like: gulfportdoc at bellsouth dot net.
Hope things are going well--
Art
BUD GREEN
02-15-2005, 02:42 PM
I just watched a one pocket tape of Shawn Putnam vs. Corey Duell at the DCC where Shawn is leading a game 6-0 and instead of playing safe, attempts a jump shot and completely sells out the game to Corey ( who runs all the way out).
I thought it was funny because Mark Wilson was doing the commentary and said something like "Well, he better make this shot for this to be any kind of endorsement for the Bungee jumping cue" right before Shawn blew the game.
Corey uses his goofy eight ball break this match one time and loses the game the next inning. He says in the post match interview he thinks intentional safeties should not be allowed and that he doesn't like the nitpicking part of the game. Not exactly a one-hole purist, this kid... runs out so good it doesn't matter most of the time is the scary thing.
Every shot is a jump shot.
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