One Pocket on a 7' table

[One Pocket Ghost]

I love Greg Sullivan personally, and everything he's done for pool, but....

....One Pocket on a 7' table instead of a 9' table is: Arena football instead of NFL football !....It's a pro golf tournament being played at a par 3 course !....It's a pro basketball game being played half court !....It's me being in bed with only one woman at a time instead of three !..:eek:


- Old School Ghost....:mad: :mad:

[gulfportdoc]

OPG, you had me noddin' my head until that last statement.:eek: You Chicago boys are all right.

Anyway, hold your nose and try 1P on a Smart 7' table using only 11 balls, and let me know what you think. I'm very cynical myself, but what the hell, you never can tell.

Doc

[SJDinPHX]

OPG, you had me noddin' my head until that last statement.:eek: You Chicago boys are all right.

Anyway, hold your nose and try 1P on a Smart 7' table using only 11 balls, and let me know what you think. I'm very cynical myself, but what the hell, you never can tell.

Doc

I'm not really into bragging but, the Surfer And I played 1P many times on a 3 X 6 cracker box, with with a big heavy cue ball, all 15 balls, and rags stuffed in all the pockets It was a hoot. Batted a 1000% at that game. Rod was my favorite action. Though I preffered the big box, if you wanted to win Rod's cash, you had to play on the bar table
\
Dick

[NH Steve]

I'm not really into bragging but, the Surfer And I played 1P many times on a 3 X 6 cracker box, with with a big heavy cue ball, all 15 balls, and rags stuffed in all the pockets It was a hoot. Batted a 1000% at that game. Rod was my favorite action. Though I preffered the big box, if you wanted to win Rod's cash, you had to play on the bar table
\
DickI would think that with that kind of congestion, "moving" musta been a huge part of the game. Seems like a "shooter" needs at least a little bit of air!

[Smorgass Bored]

OPG, you had me noddin' my head until that last statement.:eek: You Chicago boys are all right.

Anyway, hold your nose and try 1P on a Smart 7' table using only 11 balls, and let me know what you think. I'm very cynical myself, but what the hell, you never can tell.

Doc


It's early and I haven't had my coffee & Jack Daniels yet BUT..... how do you rack 11 balls ?

Doug
(I could probably figure it out............after lunch) :)

[gulfportdoc]

It's early and I haven't had my coffee & Jack Daniels yet BUT..... how do you rack 11 balls ?
The 11th ball is placed behind the last row of a 10 ball rack, frozen to the 2nd and 3rd balls.

Putting it another way: rack the full 15, then remove the 2 balls on the left and right ends of the back row.

Try it on a 7' Smart table, and let me know what you think. You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers.

Doc

[NH Steve]

The 11th ball is placed behind the last row of a 10 ball rack, frozen to the 2nd and 3rd balls.

Putting it another way: rack the full 15, then remove the 2 balls on the left and right ends of the back row.

Try it on a 7' Smart table, and let me know what you think. You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers.

DocI don't know if I have any 7' Diamonds around here, but my instinct is that using all 15 balls would favor the One Pocket players, and any less would lean the game a bit more toward the bar shooters.

My second instinct is that while I strongly agree 9' is the right equip for One Pocket, what's wrong with a whole new crop of guys that want to gamble on a smaller table? Well, if i could win my share :) I peronally feel like I might maneuver pretty well around a clogged table -- it's the long distances that kill me...

[Smorgass Bored]

Try it on a 7' Smart table, and let me know what you think. You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers.

Doc

"You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers."

You beat me for $$$$ at 10-6 and now you want to offer me 7-5 and lower the bet ?

You'll never get arrested for GAMBLING !
Doug :D

[gulfportdoc]

"You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers." You beat me for $$$$ at 10-6 and now you want to offer me 7-5 and lower the bet ? You'll never get arrested for GAMBLING !

It was 9-6, and after 11 hours or so I was only up 2-3 games. I think 7-5 using 11 balls is roughly the 7' equivalent of 9-6 using 15 balls on a 9', don't you?

As far as the bet, I realize that you've not played much pool since devoting your life to Hold 'em poker, so as a courtesy I offered to keep the stakes low. Of course with your appetite, I may be in over my head!:eek:

You coming up for the Breakers Billiards annual barbox marathon in Mobile Aug. 2/3? Last year there were great sweat 1P matches with Billy Incardona/Cliff Joyner, Jamie Farrell/Joyner, T-rex, Double J, etc., etc. Think of how much fun it would be for you to harass JoeyA for 3 days!!

Doc

[Smorgass Bored]

Think of how much fun it would be for you to harass JoeyA for 3 days!!

Doc


Hmmmmm, I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
D.

[SactownTom]

Just ask yourself... if there were a 1pkt tournament on 7 foot tables,
WOULD you Enter?

If yes... you got it correct.

If no, then please offer another way to get more players playing One Pocket?

Greg is into growing the game of pocket billiards. He is good at this and the DCC is proof of that.. Greg also listens to the players... i.e. Diamond tables....built to the specs of the Pros in the late 80s. GREAT tables...yes?

Best 7 foot tables ever built... that includes the red circle cue ball and Simonis cloth. A mini-9footer IMO...

Sure it is NON-Traditional..but so is Rack your Own and Alternate Breakes and Soft Breaks and Racking the Nine on the spot.... and lots of other little tid-bits that have changed over the last 20 years....

Yeah... I would play damn right I would play

[Deeman]

Just ask yourself... if there were a 1pkt tournament on 7 foot tables,
WOULD you Enter?

If yes... you got it correct.

If no, then please offer another way to get more players playing One Pocket?

Greg is into growing the game of pocket billiards. He is good at this and the DCC is proof of that.. Greg also listens to the players... i.e. Diamond tables....built to the specs of the Pros in the late 80s. GREAT tables...yes?

Best 7 foot tables ever built... that includes the red circle cue ball and Simonis cloth. A mini-9footer IMO...

Sure it is NON-Traditional..but so is Rack your Own and Alternate Breakes and Soft Breaks and Racking the Nine on the spot.... and lots of other little tid-bits that have changed over the last 20 years....

Yeah... I would play damn right I would play



But Dammit, Tom, at least on 9 footers we had an excuse for missing. :)

[gulfportdoc]

Yeah... I would play damn right I would play
Don't hold back, Tom. Tell us what you really think!:D:D

Doc

[SactownTom]

I was going to get a chance to play in the One Pocket event this weekend... $500 added $20 entry on recently recovered GCIVs... but now I've got to work and won't be able to even run the tournament until 6pm...

Think I can get the TD to hold the match until I get there?


Just think, with one little rule change to One Pocket.... BIH on any foul???????

[MisterBanker]

Try it on a 7' Smart table, and let me know what you think. You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers.

Doc

Bartable One Pocket isn't ideal, but when you play at rooms with one or two drop pocket 9-footers (that are almost always taken) and a dozen bartables you sometimes have to break down and play on the tiny tables.

Besides, it's better than working.
________
ASS MEXICAN (http://www.fucktube.com/categories/157/mexican/videos/1)

[gulfportdoc]

Bartable One Pocket isn't ideal, but when you play at rooms with one or two drop pocket 9-footers (that are almost always taken) and a dozen bartables you sometimes have to break down and play on the tiny tables. Besides, it's better than working.
LOL! Where do you live, MB? ~Doc

[KindlyOleUncleDave]

I was going to get a chance to play in the One Pocket event this weekend... $500 added $20 entry on recently recovered GCIVs... but now I've got to work and won't be able to even run the tournament until 6pm...

Think I can get the TD to hold the match until I get there?


Just think, with one little rule change to One Pocket.... BIH on any foul???????

It is bad enough that ball in hand got into every other pocket game in America other than three ball .............. IMHO. Please, stow that thought Tom.

Sorry you are missing the 1 hole tournament today .... if it is any consolation, so am I.

[Cowboy Dennis]

I'm not really into bragging but, the Surfer And I played 1P many times on a 3 X 6 cracker box, with with a big heavy cue ball, all 15 balls, and rags stuffed in all the pockets It was a hoot. Batted a 1000% at that game. Rod was my favorite action. Though I preffered the big box, if you wanted to win Rod's cash, you had to play on the bar table
\
Dick


I only did this a few times. We also stuffed the pockets full of rags. I remember kicking one rail quite a bit to get out of the break. I do not think I'd like to bet too high on a game like that, but it's the same for both players. This was also before I could play decent so I may think it's tougher than it really was.

[PoolSleuth]

I personally would like to try 1 pocket on a Bar Box even a Valley with the Table Open so you could re-spot Balls, etc.

[fred bentivegna]

I'm not really into bragging but, the Surfer And I played 1P many times on a 3 X 6 cracker box, with with a big heavy cue ball, all 15 balls, and rags stuffed in all the pockets It was a hoot. Batted a 1000% at that game. Rod was my favorite action. Though I preffered the big box, if you wanted to win Rod's cash, you had to play on the bar table
\
Dick

Dick, you are aware that Rod beat Ronnie Allen at least once doing that? I also remember Marcel Camp beating Surfer Rod playing 1pkt on the bar table, with the big ball. I gave Rod a ball and the break at the Congress Bowl playing on the big table. He didnt have a clue. I had no chance with him on the bar box.

the Beard

[SJDinPHX]

Dick, you are aware that Rod beat Ronnie Allen at least once doing that? I also remember Marcel Camp beating Surfer Rod playing 1pkt on the bar table, with the big ball. I gave Rod a ball and the break at the Congress Bowl playing on the big table. He didnt have a clue. I had no chance with him on the bar box.

the Beard

Freddy,

If you can catch R.A. before his B/A level causes his braggadacio to go through the roof, he will tell you, in our respective primes (fairly close) I beat a lot of people he lost too. He was usually giving minimal weight in those rare losses, which is the only way he often got to play back then.
Not implying I could beat RA even 1P (until he reached about 60, and his wheels fell off), but I played 9 ball, Golf, and bar table games with a LOT of guy's back then, and none of them ever felt like they were stealing. ;)

Dick <---remembers pre-Maddox and Keither bar table days, when the only real competition, were short-stop bangers..........like Buddy Hall and Bakersfield Bobby. :eek:

[newfosgatesucks]

The 11th ball, on a 9ft table, is nearly dead when you 2-rail kick for a break. (Grady would have a heart attack..)

We use the "4 balls off" rack here to help us in our mid-game play. After I discovered the break trick, my opponent barred me from using it.

I have to say there has been one time in two months I gave up a shot off the break that way, usually it is MUCH stronger than the conventional break.

A good starting point for the break is from the center of kitchen, through first diamond by either lower pocket. Use medium/firm stroke, with about a 1/2 tip high and 3/4 to a full tip of running english.

Trust me here, I am a more traditional style player, and I know exactly what you think when I mention this break. That said and understood....TRY IT!!!

And to the topic of barbox onehoole, you can use nine balls, and the two rail kick break makes the rear ball dead there, too.


The 11th ball is placed behind the last row of a 10 ball rack, frozen to the 2nd and 3rd balls.

Putting it another way: rack the full 15, then remove the 2 balls on the left and right ends of the back row.

Try it on a 7' Smart table, and let me know what you think. You have 7-5 for cheeseburgers.

Doc

[jrhendy]

Freddy,


Dick <---remembers pre-Maddox and Keither bar table days, when the only real competition, were short-stop bangers..........like Buddy Hall and Bakersfield Bobby. :eek:

Bakersfield Bobby brings back bad memories. In 60/61 there was a little bar/restaurant at Five Points in El Monte called the Blue Star. It had a shuffleboard table or two and one or two bar tables. You could go in there Friday night and stay until Monday if your $$ would last. They had some of the best shuffleboard players in the world there and after the word got out about the action, some pretty sporty pool players started showing up. My brother (not much of a gambler) heard about all the $$ I was winning in the bars and asked to come along. I was holding the table for a while when this cowboy looking guy comes to the table to play. He had calluses on his hands and a pocketful of money and said he had just finished working in the fields in Bakersfield. He shot with an open bridge, never played decent position and after we jacked it up never missed a ball. He busted us for almost $400. This was when $120 a week was a good job. My brother never asked to go with me again. I pumped up all next week playing snooker and went back again. This time I ran into Tijuana Joe, who emptied me out. I finally figured out EVERYBODY played good on a bar table and I wasn't the world beater I thought I was.

[SJDinPHX]

OPG, you had me noddin' my head until that last statement.:eek: You Chicago boys are all right.

Anyway, hold your nose and try 1P on a Smart 7' table using only 11 balls, and let me know what you think. I'm very cynical myself, but what the hell, you never can tell.

Doc

Doc, You can also play with the traditional 10 ball rack, and when it's an even game, you just play first one to get 5 balls wins (no ties.)
Many times you'll match up 6 to 5, with a weaker player, then you have a normal count game.
At least this is how we've played out west here for years on a snooker table.

Dick

PS> Surfer Rod and I have have played on cracker boxes...I'm talking 3 X 6's... with 15, 10 and a few times, with only 6 balls(first one to 3 wins)
Naturally I preferred 15 balls. More time to manuever and trap. 6 ball one pocket IS gambling. As you can well imagine, the first shot given up, is usually game over.
This was Rod's idea of neutralizing defensive strategy....it didn't work. If you got by the break it became an "end game mindset", which (when I could play a little) was always my long suit.
He soon discovered he had a better shot with 10 or 15 balls.

[gulfportdoc]

PS> Surfer Rod and I have have played on cracker boxes with 15, 10 and a few times, with only 6 balls(first one to 3 wins)
Naturally I preferred 15 balls. More time to manuever and trap. 6 ball one pocket IS gambling.
I'm guessing that the Diamond 7' Smart tables would make the game a little more nearly like the big track than on the Valley-type tables. For one thing the pockets are smaller; and of course you can use the normal cueball.

I have serious doubts that it'll ever catch on, but if Greg starts pushing it, you never know...

Doc

[Cowboy Dennis]

Would someone please tell me what a smart table is? I've seen this term used before but still have not figured it out.

[SJDinPHX]

Would someone please tell me what a smart table is? I've seen this term used before but still have not figured it out.

Dennis,
I'm quite sure it means that there is no heavy, light, or magnetized cue ball.
(don't know how they do that)
Also, the pocket's (unlike a Valley for instance) are cut just like a regular pool table, and can be size adjusted.
At least thats my take on them....JMO-ICBW
I know they are a big step up from what we grew up with.

Dick

[fred bentivegna]

Dennis,
I'm quite sure it means that there is no heavy, light, or magnetized cue ball.
(don't know how they do that)
Also, the pocket's (unlike a Valley for instance) are cut just like a regular pool table, and can be size adjusted.
At least thats my take on them....JMO-ICBW
I know they are a big step up from what we grew up with.

Dick


Greg explained to me that the extra bright reflectiveness of the plain cue ball is what keeps it from being collected with the less reflective colored object balls.

the Beard

[gulfportdoc]

Would someone please tell me what a smart table is? I've seen this term used before but still have not figured it out.
Here's a picture and some explanation, Dennis. The table is more like a miniature table, rather than a barbox. ~Doc

http://diamondbilliards.net/CommercialTables/SmartTable/tabid/70/Default.aspx

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Here's a picture and some explanation, Dennis. The table is more like a miniature table, rather than a barbox. ~Doc

http://diamondbilliards.net/CommercialTables/SmartTable/tabid/70/Default.aspx Diamond table is a very good table. Nice in style and dezion. And I think it realy looks good and playes good. Its hard to get a better table. It would be a good Idea if Diamond table makes a 3 cushion table. I dont no maybe the make 3 cushion billiard tables and snooker tables. Its all in the Family.