Another Game Situation

[One Pocket Ghost]

Ok, here's another game situation for you guys....this situation came up last night when I was playing...........It's just a couple of innings into the game, the score is 0 to 0, it's my shot and I have pocket A..........I'm not really in trouble per se, but at the same time, my shot choices here aren't all that appealing.....there's probably about 5 or so options here - who can come up with the shot that I chose....

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[NH Steve]

Here's the diagram image...

[100andout]

I'd hit a stop shot into the 8 moving the 5 over by my side pocket leaving the cueball ontop of the 7/9....

Gerry

[SJDinPHX]

I'm going to feather the 1 ball, real thin, and send the cue ball two rails into the stack, freezing up against the 4/5 or thereabouts.

Dick

[fred bentivegna]

I'm going to feather the 1 ball, real thin, and send the cue ball two rails into the stack, freezing up against the 4/5 or thereabouts.

Dick

Nice shot. Probably the best way to go.

the Beard

[vapros]

I have decided to hit the red ball on the rail, sending it across to my side and sending the cue ball up to contact the four in the stack. If I'm feeling bold, I might hit the four just hard enough to move a ball or two in my direction. A chance here to get a bit of offense started.:rolleyes:

[Southpaw]

Call me crazy, but I would take an intentional foul and put the cue ball up table (bottom right corner in the diagram) and let my opponent make a decision. If he just soft kicks at the balls around my pocket, I may get a good bank shot and there seem to be some balls in the stack that may be "on". If he shoots the combo, I will ask to raise the bet. JMO.

Southpaw

[One Pocket Ghost]

I'd hit a stop shot into the 8 moving the 5 over by my side pocket leaving the cueball ontop of the 7/9....

Gerry

Gerry posted what's probably the traditional shot in this spot.


I'm going to feather the 1 ball, real thin, and send the cue ball two rails into the stack, freezing up against the 4/5 or thereabouts.

Dick


Dick, if you look at the ball layout again, I think that the 6 ball is blocking you from getting enough of the short rail to shoot your shot - unless maybe you loaded it up with inside english, making the execution a little bit tough/risky.


I have decided to hit the red ball on the rail, sending it across to my side and sending the cue ball up to contact the four in the stack. If I'm feeling bold, I might hit the four just hard enough to move a ball or two in my direction. A chance here to get a bit of offense started.:rolleyes:


Possible, but falls into the 'too much risk, for too little gain' category.


Call me crazy, but I would take an intentional foul and put the cue ball up table (bottom right corner in the diagram) and let my opponent make a decision. If he just soft kicks at the balls around my pocket, I may get a good bank shot and there seem to be some balls in the stack that may be "on". If he shoots the combo, I will ask to raise the bet. JMO.

Southpaw

Southpaw, depends who I'm playing....If I know my opponent is not knowledgable enough to take a scratch back at me, then I like this shot and I've shot it many times in that situation......But if he is a strong player and knowledgable enough to take a scratch back at me, then it's no good, because he will take a scratch and leave the cue ball where I'm in a much worse position than I was before.


Ok, nobody spotted my shot yet, so to be fair, I have to give up a hint/a little more info.....I was playing cheap with a friend, so I wasn't squeezing - the shot that I took was aggressive and offensive ( and an offensive shot was not easy to find in this situation )............now maybe somebody will find my shot.

[KY8andout]

Ok,
I would take the spot shot on the 8 ball and leave the cue ball on the stack. However, I'll take a guess at what you tried. It is hard to tell by the diagram, but can you hit enough of the 7? to send the corner ball that almost looks wired dead back in to your hole. It looks like a straight pool shot. The ball looks lined up to go right of the pocket, but the contact throw could send it to the left. The cue ball would be slowed down by the other couple of balls in front. Was it lined up well for that? I surprise my friend with shots like this occasionally when we are playing for fun, never for cash though.

[clusterbuster]

How about a slight masse which would clear the 3 to the bottom rail and tuck the cue under the red. Risky but fun. I wouldn't even mention this shot except it seems all other viable shots have been mentioned. Like I said, risky but fun.

[blindlemon]

kick three rails into the striped ball on opposite rail with enough speed to move it toward my pocket. cue ball stays about where striped ball layed.
problem, that leaves a possible bank on the stripe near the side pocket but he's only shooting at one ball. if i don't hit the ball i take a scratch and leave my opponent an easy return safty and i'm back where i started. if i do hit it i've removed a threat ball on his side. pretty aggressive. i think i'd rather squeeze :)

lemon

[Wayne]

Ok, nobody spotted my shot yet, so to be fair, I have to give up a hint/a little more info.....I was playing cheap with a friend, so I wasn't squeezing - the shot that I took was aggressive and offensive ( and an offensive shot was not easy to find in this situation )............now maybe somebody will find my shot.

Well, if you had an audience and you were playing cheap then you could cut the 3 into the 6 to combo bank the 3 back to your hole while playing the masse on the 1 so you can sink it in your hole also.

Wayne

[fred bentivegna]

For haha's I would make the carom off the 3 into the one, with draw trying to pocket the 1. The 3 would go into the 6 and both balls would go up the table. If I made the one I would have a cross corner on the ball on the rail on his side. Since I aint too bad with caroms I would have a decent chance of executing the shot.

the Beard

[One Pocket Ghost]

For haha's I would make the carom off the 3 into the one, with draw trying to pocket the 1. The 3 would go into the 6 and both balls would go up the table. If I made the one I would have a cross corner on the ball on the rail on his side. Since I aint too bad with caroms I would have a decent chance of executing the shot.

the Beard


Bingo !.....We have a winner !......Freddy, I figured you would see my shot cuz I know you like these carom shots, and you hit them pretty good....

....Wayne, you were on the right track, but the angle was not there for the combo-cross corner - however, the angle was laying perfect for caroming/clearing out the 3 and the 6 while drawing for the 1....


....And as for my outcome with the shot....I hit it decent, but not quite good enough....the 3 and 6 cleared out like they were supposed to, and my draw angle was perfect into the 1, but my draw was a little 'gay' = I under-drew the 1, getting it about 3/4ths of the way to my hole - but it got close enough to the points of my pocket, and the angle was such, that my opponent had no cross-corner shot on it, so it worked out ok....


....So like Freddy and Wayne also said, it's a fun shot to shoot if you're playing cheap.......Although, guys like Scott Frost and Corey D. who love to fire away at 'fancy' shots, probably wouldn't mind shooting that shot when playing $500 a game.

[blindlemon]

Well, if you had an audience and you were playing cheap then you could cut the 3 into the 6 to combo bank the 3 back to your hole while playing the masse on the 1 so you can sink it in your hole also.

Wayne

I saw that to but it looks like at least 2 possible kisses. I think the beard
might have it. It's fairly safe and would be fun to shoot for ;) laughs.. It's aggressive and he might pocket the ball. I like that better mine I guess even when I'm shooting at the flag I'm a little coward:D


lemon

[vapros]

If anyone else would like to comment on the shot I suggested, I would be happy to hear what you have to say. Ghost says 'too much risk for too little gain', but I don't see it that way. Hardly any risk at all. How about it? Thanks.

[One Pocket Ghost]

If anyone else would like to comment on the shot I suggested, I would be happy to hear what you have to say. Ghost says 'too much risk for too little gain', but I don't see it that way. Hardly any risk at all. How about it? Thanks.


v-man, I'll discuss it with you....

It's a good shot if the ball layout was a little different, and I've shot similar shots many times myself....but unlike the way it lays in this instance, I would want the cueball to be closer to the object ball so execution is more assured, and have a larger/wider stack to rebound up against....

As far as hardly any risk, as the balls lie here, you've got a very small margin for error....end up a little too high (up around the 5 ball) and the guy cuts in the 13 and might get shape on the 1, 3, and 6....end up too low, (just below the 2 ball) and he banks the 3 or the 1 cross-corner.....Why risk all of that for hardly any gain ?

[vapros]

v-man, I'll discuss it with you....

It's a good shot if the ball layout was a little different, and I've shot similar shots many times myself....but unlike the way it lays in this instance, I would want the cueball to be closer to the object ball so execution is more assured, and have a larger/wider stack to rebound up against....

As far as hardly any risk, as the balls lie here, you've got a very small margin for error....end up a little too high (up around the 5 ball) and the guy cuts in the 13 and might get shape on the 1, 3, and 6....end up too low, (just below the 2 ball) and he banks the 3 or the 1 cross-corner.....Why risk all of that for hardly any gain ?
Thanks for taking the time to go thru it, Ghost. I can see that these problems could pop up.

[blackeee]

Ok, here's another game situation for you guys....this situation came up last night when I was playing...........It's just a couple of innings into the game, the score is 0 to 0, it's my shot and I have pocket A..........I'm not really in trouble per se, but at the same time, my shot choices here aren't all that appealing.....there's probably about 5 or so options here - who can come up with the shot that I chose....

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Looking at Steves diagram, I'd say you shot that ball at the apex of the triangle knocking the other ball back to about where it was, or slightly towards your side,doubling him up on those two balls on his long rail. If he soft kicks at the one he risks' selling out a bank or an oppotunity for you to shoot something into the stack and opening balls up close to your hole.

[One Pocket Ghost]

Looking at Steves diagram, I'd say you shot that ball at the apex of the triangle knocking the other ball back to about where it was, or slightly towards your side,doubling him up on those two balls on his long rail. If he soft kicks at the one he risks' selling out a bank or an oppotunity for you to shoot something into the stack and opening balls up close to your hole.


blackeee......Go back and look at all of the posts on the thread, and you'll have your answer.

[SJDinPHX]

[QUOTE=One Pocket Ghost]Bingo !.....We have a winner !......Freddy, I figured you would see my shot cuz I know you like these carom shots, and you hit them pretty good....

....Wayne, you were on the right track, but the angle was not there for the combo-cross corner - however, the angle was laying perfect for caroming/clearing out the 3 and the 6 while drawing for the 1....


....And as for my outcome with the shot....I hit it decent, but not quite good enough....the 3 and 6 cleared out like they were supposed to, and my draw angle was perfect into the 1, but my draw was a little 'gay' = I under-drew the 1, getting it about 3/4ths of the way to my hole - but it got close enough to the points of my pocket, and the angle was such, that my opponent had no cross-corner shot on it, so it worked out ok....[quote]


Ghost, You have entered a new equation... you are playing funsies ! Unless you shot the 3 ball at warp speed, naturally you would not get the one back to the hole (as you said happened when you shot it). Also why would you want to clear out the 3 and 6 when they are on your half of the table ???
If the balls were laying as your diagram shows I can gaurantee you I can come off the 1 ball with no english at all and wind up where I said I would.
Great funsie shot, but even I, would choose to squeeze that shot, And I HATE squeezing !!!!

Dick

PS Also the 1 ball would still be on my side.

[One Pocket Ghost]

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Ghost, You have entered a new equation... you are playing funsies ! Unless you shot the 3 ball at warp speed, naturally you would not get the one back to the hole (as you said happened when you shot it).
Great funsie shot, but even I, would choose to squeeze that shot, And I HATE squeezing !!!!

Dick




Hey Dick, Not quite funsies, but like I said, I was playing cheap with a friend - $10 a game to be exact.

And now let me throw you a curve....and maybe a retired old top-speed hustler like you should have considered this....

....Maybe I'm just laying down a spread - maybe I really never shot that shot at all :eek:....maybe I just said I did, to show what sweet action I am cuz of how wide open I play.....:eek: ;)

[SJDinPHX]

:D


Hey Dick, Not quite funsies, but like I said, I was playing cheap with a friend - $10 a game to be exact.

And now let me throw you a curve....and maybe a retired old top-speed hustler like you should have considered this....

....Maybe I'm just laying down a spread - maybe I really never shot that shot at all :eek:....maybe I just said I did, to show what sweet action I am cuz of how wide open I play.....:eek: ;)

Ghost, consider me trapped :D

Old Cowboy Dick

[blackeee]

blackeee......Go back and look at all of the posts on the thread, and you'll have your answer.I

I posted my answere befor I read the others. Nice shot!

[sappo]

hi ghost, interesting but i played a fellow yesterday and he faced almost the same situation and he choose your shot. this guy is a very good one pocket player and he gives he 9 to 7 and the breaks. anyway he also missed the billiard, left me an easy shot and i wind up winning that game easily. i was suprised he choose that shot and feel i won that game because of his selection. my question to you is if that game you were playing was an important game, like for A LOT of money or to win a tournament, what shot would you have choosen? thanks again for bring ing these situations to the forum> sappo

[One Pocket Ghost]

hi ghost, my question to you is if that game you were playing was an important game, like for A LOT of money or to win a tournament, what shot would you have chosen? thanks again for bringing these situations to the forum> sappo



Hiya sappo......Yeah, my favorite One Pocket scenario is to be playing for more serious money, or in a One Pocket tournament like the DCC - it's feels good to have that adrenaline pumping....but striving to play correctly, and at a very high level, requires, along with skills, intense concentration, scrutiny, and discipline - and doing all of that is very hard work.........On the flip side, the thing I like about playing sociable $10 One Pocket as well, is that you get to loosen up and indulge yourself a little - like trying those lower percentage crazier shots, just to see if you can make them.

Ok, back to your question....it's hard to give a definitive answer, because my decision would vary depending on the skill level, knowledge, and tendencies of my particular opponent....the choices stated by 100andout, SJDick, and Southpaw are some of those viable options.........Additionally, here's a shot that no one has mentioned, and it's a shot that I would also consider choosing in this spot....I take an intentional scratch, lagging the cue ball to the rail, resulting in this >>>

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[blindlemon]

kick three rails into the striped ball on opposite rail with enough speed to move it toward my pocket. cue ball stays about where striped ball layed.
problem, that leaves a possible bank on the stripe near the side pocket but he's only shooting at one ball. if i don't hit the ball i take a scratch and leave my opponent an easy return safty and i'm back where i started. if i do hit it i've removed a threat ball on his side. pretty aggressive. i think i'd rather squeeze :)

lemon
that's almost the same shot i called except i moved that lower ball. since i'm sure your a better one holer then i am, i'm happy that i was able to pick out a shot you would shoot. moving the ball was my attempt at being aggressive, no sarcasm intended here, i play ok, but because of problems i don't get to play very often so i know i don't see some shots the better players see.

[philwelch]

Ghost I picked out your shot too but I saw someone answered already.
When I realized you were playing cheap it narrowed the possibilities. I also figured you were hinting at something flashy. Good shot I might even try it in a higher stakes game if I felt like I was in good stroke.
P.S. Are you going to play in the onepocket tourney at Chris's July 26th?
I heard Danny Diliberto might play in it any truth to that rumor? Phil Welch

[One Pocket Ghost]

P.S. Are you going to play in the onepocket tourney at Chris's July 26th?
Phil Welch


Wouldn't miss it.....Hey, haven't seen you at Chris's for ages - why don't you come down for it - we can always use more donaters....:D



I heard Danny Diliberto might play in it any truth to that rumor? Phil Welch

That's what I heard too - I hope he does, that would be fun having him in the tournament.

[philwelch]

Wouldn't miss it.....Hey, haven't seen you at Chris's for ages - why don't you come down for it - we can always use more donaters....:D





That's what I heard too - I hope he does, that would be fun having him in the tournament.
I'm sure gonna try ghost. I donate everytime I go to Chris' as a matter of fact last time I donated a little to some guy named Arturo. Phil Welch

[One Pocket Ghost]

I donate everytime I go to Chris' as a matter of fact last time I donated a little to some guy named Arturo. Phil Welch


No surprise there - IIRC, the last time Arturo made a game where there was any chance at all of him not winning, was back in 2004.

[usblues]

As the first post would be the standard shot,one could do the almost the same,but harder and pretty fat so as to leave the cue on the opponents long rail,leaving him a long 2 ball combo and sending the 5 back in the stack hard to knock 3-4 back towards your side.Nice comments all.....

[Patrick Johnson]

:D

Hey Dick, Not quite funsies, but like I said, I was playing cheap with a friend - $10 a game to be exact.

Hey, then why did I pay you $15 a game?! (And I used that money with my picture on it, so it might be worth even more!)

pj
chgo

[One Pocket Ghost]

Hey, then why did I pay you $15 a game?!

pj
chgo


Yeah, ok, it was $15 a game.....Truth was, I said $10 because I didn't want any potential backers that might read the thread, to think I would shoot such crazy shots for $15 a game.....:rolleyes: :D

[Patrick Johnson]

Yeah, ok, it was $15 a game.....Truth was, I said $10 because I didn't want any potential backers that might read the thread, to think I would shoot such crazy shots for $15 a game.....:rolleyes: :D

We're playing for $15, you're shooting $10 shots, and I'm losing. What's wrong with this picture? :eek: :confused: :D

pj
chgo

[One Pocket Ghost]

We're playing for $15, you're shooting $10 shots, and I'm losing. What's wrong with this picture? :eek: :confused: :D

pj
chgo


It's pretty obvious to me what's wrong with the picture....it's that we're not playing for $50.......:D

[mypocket]

Hey Ghost,

If I was felling good I'd thin the 1 and go into the 13 kicking it into the pack and leaving the CB about where shown, protecting my apples.

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Hopefully we can get together at DCC this year for some cheap 1P.

[One Pocket Ghost]

Hey Ghost,

If I was felling good I'd thin the 1 and go into the 13 kicking it into the pack and leaving the CB about where shown, protecting my apples.

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Hopefully we can get together at DCC this year for some cheap 1P.



mypocket........If you can execute that, more power to you....but for me, that's asking for too much control of whitey and the 13 ball, for too little gain.


Yeah, we can get together at the DCC - I hope a whole bunch of us get together there......I've made my room reservation already - and a word to the wise....snooze you lose - make your reservations now, the rooms will be gone quick, if they're not already.