View Full Version : SJD vs. U.J. Puckett, 1962
Cowboy Dennis
05-09-2009, 09:01 AM
I hope that I have faithfully transferred this shot from the S,M & S book onto the WEI table. It is definitely close.
From the book: "San Jose Dick" McMorran was faced with this situation in an early '60s session with the famous U.J. Puckett.
It's desperation time. Dick wants to keep balls downtable while attempting an offensive shot that, if made, leaves a possibility of running out.
SJD needed all four balls and had the lower left hand pocket.
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Artie Bodendorfer
05-09-2009, 09:30 AM
I hope that I have faithfully transferred this shot from the S,M & S book onto the WEI table. It is definitely close.
From the book: "San Jose Dick" McMorran was faced with this situation in an early '60s session with the famous U.J. Puckett.
It's desperation time. Dick wants to keep balls downtable while attempting an offensive shot that, if made, leaves a possibility of running out.
SJD needed all four balls and had the lower left hand pocket.
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ENLW3ISbi4KaRx3NHwy3PLOx@3ENLW3ISri4KaRx3NHwy3PLOx3iHwy3iFMi4ibfF2iLYi2iajO4idWv3kLOx7kJDi3kaUI@3ENLW3ISri4KaRx4NdWv3PaUI@ I see Two Shots The 14 ball around the table and get position on the nineball and you can run 4 and out.I have never seen these shots and I guess this would be two ways of playing them. Or Bank the five cross corner into the nine ball and when you go to bank the 5 ball into the nineball you carum the 14 ball to your pocket and the cue ball goes to the rail and gets position on the 11 ball. Thats All that I see Needing 4 balls.
Artie Bodendorfer
05-09-2009, 09:33 AM
I hope that I have faithfully transferred this shot from the S,M & S book onto the WEI table. It is definitely close.
From the book: "San Jose Dick" McMorran was faced with this situation in an early '60s session with the famous U.J. Puckett.
It's desperation time. Dick wants to keep balls downtable while attempting an offensive shot that, if made, leaves a possibility of running out.
SJD needed all four balls and had the lower left hand pocket.
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ENLW3ISbi4KaRx3NHwy3PLOx@3ENLW3ISri4KaRx3NHwy3PLOx3iHwy3iFMi4ibfF2iLYi2iajO4idWv3kLOx7kJDi3kaUI@3ENLW3ISri4KaRx4NdWv3PaUI@ I see Two Shots The 14 ball around the table and get position on the nineball and you can run 4 and out.I have never seen these shots and I guess this would be two ways of playing them. Or Bank the five cross corner into the nine ball and when you go to bank the 5 ball into the nineball you carum the 14 ball to your pocket and the cue ball goes to the rail and gets position on the 11 ball. Thats All that I see Needing 4 balls. Unless you can cut the 14 ball in get position on the 11 ball bank the 5 ball and get perfect shape on the nine ball. I cant tell if you can cut the 14 ball in your pocket.
Cowboy Dennis
05-09-2009, 09:39 AM
I see Two Shots The 14 ball around the table and get position on the nineball and you can run 4 and out.I have never seen these shots and I guess this would be two ways of playing them. Or Bank the five cross corner into the nine ball and when you go to bank the 5 ball into the nineball you carum the 14 ball to your pocket and the cue ball goes to the rail and gets position on the 11 ball. Thats All that I see Needing 4 balls. Unless you can cut the 14 ball in get position on the 11 ball bank the 5 ball and get perfect shape on the nine ball. I cant tell if you can cut the 14 ball in your pocket.
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gulfportdoc
05-09-2009, 10:38 AM
It's desperation time. Dick wants to keep balls downtable while attempting an offensive shot that, if made, leaves a possibility of running out.SJD needed all four balls and had the lower left hand pocket.
That was a fantastic shot from Dick. I assume you can't see enough of the 14 ball to cut it in. If so, the CB could be run around the table 4 rails to get po' on the 5 or 9-balls; or run the CB up and down table for a bank on the 5-ball.
I never met Puckett, Dick. I heard he could be a pretty imposing guy. What was he like to gamble with?
Doc
SJDinPHX
05-09-2009, 05:21 PM
That was a fantastic shot from Dick. I assume you can't see enough of the 14 ball to cut it in. If so, the CB could be run around the table 4 rails to get po' on the 5 or 9-balls; or run the CB up and down table for a bank on the 5-ball.
I never met Puckett, Dick. I heard he could be a pretty imposing guy. What was he like to gamble with?
Doc
Doc,
Utley was a sweetheart. He was a hardcore hustler, but he was also a Damn solid, unique individual.
He and I soon became good friends, and we fished and partied, and made a few good scores together. I sure learned a lot from him in my early years.
Our prorities were very similar...Partying,-Women-Action. (the order depended on how thisty, horny, or broke we were.)
U.J. knew exactly where he was in the pecking order. He knew he was really just a notch or two below the top players of our day.
If he couldn't beat you, he would cut in with you. (or try to get you beat) but he was not really into double steering, or stuff like that.... unless he thought you were a sucker. He did not have much patience with "suckers".
His demeanor was such, that when you were gambling with him, you always felt he might smack you up side the head... if you said the wrong thing.
Fortunately, I guess I never said the wrong thing.
I truely enjoyed the times we had together.
I'm sure Rod will remember him the same way. He knew him as well, or better, than I did.
Mr. Puckett was truely, "one of a kind".
Dick
PS Obviously the 14 would not go, or that would have been my first choice of shots.
androd
05-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Doc,
Utley was a sweetheart. He was a hardcore hustler, but he was also a Damn solid, unique individual.
U.J. knew exactly where he was in the pecking order. He knew he was really just a notch or two below the top players of our day.
If he couldn't beat you, he would cut in with you. (or try to get you beat) but he was not really into double steering, or stuff like that.... unless he thought you were a sucker. He did not have much patience with "suckers".
His demeanor was such, that when you were gambling with him, you always felt he might smack you up side the head... if you said the wrong thing.
Fortunately, I guess I never said the wrong thing.
I truely enjoyed the times we had together.
I'm sure Rod will remember him the same way. He knew him as well, or better, than I did.
Mr. Puckett was truely, "one of a kind".
Dick
PS Obviously the 14 would not go, or that would have been my first choice of shots.
Dick, you're right on point about U.J., a money making pool hustler, didn't suffer fools or pool nuts well, very easy going. I never saw anyone give him any guff except Fats. U.J. would just shake his head and smile. My partner and myself were in Russelville Ky. wining money every day. One day no one showed up, we found out someone went in a pool room 50 miles away with a big string of fish and told everyone he was a texas champion fisherman and the retired Texas nine ball champ and did anyone want to learn about either one. The guys we'd been playing went over and rented a boat and went out on the lake and got him, and took him back to town and lost $800.00. U.J. was a master and as you said "ONE OF A KIND" although an imposing guy I never saw him "GORILLA" anyone.
Rod. <----I got a lot of great stories about him.
SJDinPHX
05-11-2009, 12:10 PM
Dick, you're right on point about U.J., a money making pool hustler, didn't suffer fools or pool nuts well, very easy going. I never saw anyone give him any guff except Fats. U.J. would just shake his head and smile. My partner and myself were in Russelville Ky. wining money every day. One day no one showed up, we found out someone went in a pool room 50 miles away with a big string of fish and told everyone he was a texas champion fisherman and the retired Texas nine ball champ and did anyone want to learn about either one. The guys we'd been playing went over and rented a boat and went out on the lake and got him, and took him back to town and lost $800.00. U.J. was a master and as you said "ONE OF A KIND" although an imposing guy I never saw him "GORILLA" anyone.
Rod. <----I got a lot of great stories about him.
You're right Rod, I never saw him tush anybody either. I sure never felt intimidated the few times we gambled.
That story Dennis opened the thread with was my first play at the infamous Cotton Bowling Palace.
Jack Terry was staking U.J., and Jack Taylor and Vernon Litton went off for a little on the side.
I had no clue how much trouble I could have been in, had the right (or wrong) people been around that day.
Dick
jrhendy
05-11-2009, 01:07 PM
You're right Rod, I never saw him tush anybody either. I sure never felt intimidated the few times we gambled.
That story Dennis opened the thread with was my first play at the infamous Cotton Bowling Palace.
Jack Terry was staking U.J., and Jack Taylor and Vernon Litton went off for a little on the side.
I had no clue how much trouble I could have been in, had the right (or wrong) people been around that day.
Dick
U.J. came through Five Points Bowl in the late 60's and never played. New York Blackie was there and U.J. was relentless, barking and insulting him, but Blackie wouldn't bite and nothing ever happened. I figured there must have been some history between them.
fred bentivegna
05-11-2009, 01:43 PM
In Johnston City Fatty would needle Puckett relentlessly. Puckett loved Fatty. Nobody else dared. Puckett was a double tough son of a b into his 80s. Fatty barked at UJ once and said, "U.J.'s feet are so big, if he ever quits pool he can make a living going around the country stamping out Forest fires!"
the Beard
I did "lines" with him when he was 80.
philwelch
05-12-2009, 01:23 AM
In Johnston City Fatty would needle Puckett relentlessly. Puckett loved Fatty. Nobody else dared. Puckett was a double tough son of a b into his 80s. Fatty barked at UJ once and said, "U.J.'s feet are so big, if he ever quits pool he can make a living going around the country stamping out Forest fires!"
the Beard
I did "lines" with him when he was 80.
Freddy it's late my wifes sleeping I can't keep laughing like this or I might wake her. LOL
Fast Lenny
08-24-2010, 05:32 PM
To the top. :)
I see Two Shots The 14 ball around the table and get position on the nineball and you can run 4 and out.I have never seen these shots and I guess this would be two ways of playing them. Or Bank the five cross corner into the nine ball and when you go to bank the 5 ball into the nineball you carum the 14 ball to your pocket and the cue ball goes to the rail and gets position on the 11 ball. Thats All that I see Needing 4 balls. Unless you can cut the 14 ball in get position on the 11 ball bank the 5 ball and get perfect shape on the nine ball. I cant tell if you can cut the 14 ball in your pocket.
artie welcome back:) nice to see you posting.your spelling has improved during your hiatus:D :)
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