Gofer shot

[androd]

After all the discussion about how to play safe, is there anyone besides me that would've shot at the 3 ball ? although I enjoyed the safes, and thats what the thread was about, I couldn't get serious knowing I'd have shot at my pocket.
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[Skin]

Gofer-to-gofer, Rod, I am shooting the 3 as you showed but putting the cb on his long rail for a shot on the 1 (and safe) instead of leaving it mid-table.

Skin

[One Pocket Ghost]

After all the discussion about how to play safe, is there anyone besides me that would've shot at the 3 ball ? although I enjoyed the safes, and thats what the thread was about, I couldn't get serious knowing I'd have shot at my pocket.
Rod < ----still a gofer.http://CueTable.com/P/?@2APTx4BOcM1CAYL2DXOE1EUey4FVuL4GLJM2HbSe1INBR3JVVL3KPJL4LSDM2MDwg4NHRM3OSLL4PBJr4QdGs1WApL1WApL1WCrq4WUlk4kBJr1kAxC2kApH@



And Steve, close this one too....they're sprouting like weeds......:o


- Jasper

[Fanatic]

I may shoot the three (hard to tell exactly on a WEI; on the table is a whole other story)but my qball would end up on the bottom rail hopefully frozen to it forcing my opponent into a corner I wouldn't leave it on the center of the table.
XOXO
Fanny

[One Pocket Ghost]

They're coming to take me away ha ha, They're coming to take me away ho ho...........

[lll]

They're coming to take me away ha ha, They're coming to take me away ho ho........... I've seen it go on like this for months.........then get worse!

[androd]

Gofer-to-gofer, Rod, I am shooting the 3 as you showed but putting the cb on his long rail for a shot on the 1 (and safe) instead of leaving it mid-table.

Skin

Skin; the reason I'd shoot it like this, is if you try to move the CB very much, you may hit the nine and that would be a bad thing.
Rod.

[androd]

And Steve, close this one too....they're sprouting like weeds......:o


- Jasper

Jasper; I though you did a service to many with your thread, please leave mine alone. I haven't had my weekly dose of WTFA, you've already had yours.
Hope you enjoyed it.

Rod <---- if I don't have about one dose a week I start to have withdrawals.

[One Pocket Ghost]

Jasper; I though you did a service to many with your thread, please leave mine alone.

Rod


Yeah, except it's my old table layout that you took to use....:rolleyes:....Think of it like this.....

It's like this wei layout of mine is an ex-girlfriend of mine that I broke up with - now you picked her up, and you're welcome to her - but I just wish you didn't have to bring her to the same place that I hang around so that I have to see her and maybe a couple of her annoying girlfriends.....:eek:.....:D

- Ghost.....:cool:

[androd]

Yeah, except it's my old table layout that you took to use....:rolleyes:....Think of it like this.....

It's like this wei layout of mine is an ex-girlfriend of mine that I broke up with - now you picked her up, and you're welcome to her - but I just wish you didn't have to bring her to the same place that I hang around so that I have to see her and maybe a couple of her annoying girlfriends.....:eek:.....:D

- Ghost.....:cool:

Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelers. I would never take up with an ex-girlfriend of your's. I've only married virgins, as I can't stand any comparison.
Rod.

[SJDinPHX]

Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelers. I would never take up with an ex-girlfriend of your's. I've only married virgins, as I can't stand any comparison.
Rod.

Jasper, I will, I will !!!
I will take any of your ex-ladies (under 40) as I am sure they would be very "low milage" :eek:

Dick <---likes to find used bargains.

PS I will also fire the 3 in "warp speed", play shape, and run out. You just have to use "special english".

PPS Rod, whats a virgin ???

[androd]

Jasper, I will, I will !!!
I will take any of your ex-ladies (under 40) as I am sure they would be very "low milage" :eek:

Dick <---likes to find used bargains.

PS I will also fire the 3 in "warp speed", play shape, and run out. You just have to use "special english.

PPS Rod, whats a virgin ???

Dick; middle aged virgins haven't had a date in a year !

[jay helfert]

After all the discussion about how to play safe, is there anyone besides me that would've shot at the 3 ball ? although I enjoyed the safes, and thats what the thread was about, I couldn't get serious knowing I'd have shot at my pocket.
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I'm shooting the one into the eight and leaving the cue ball on the rail near the four. The eight spots and your opponent has an awkward bank on the three that I hope he shoots.

[SJDinPHX]

I'm shooting the one into the eight and leaving the cue ball on the rail near the four. The eight spots and your opponent has an awkward bank on the three that I hope he shoots.

Now you're talking like a smart, gutsy 1P player.... I knew you had it in you Jay. ;) ( you were probably putting on the lemon in that other thread, right?)

[Fanatic]

Now you're talking like a smart, gutsy 1P player.... I knew you had it in you Jay. ;) ( you were probably putting on the lemon in that other thread, right?)

Yeah he could do that but doesn't the 2 railer on the 13 go (as a retaliating shot)? The angle is wrong (even on the wei )to get behind the 4; Even if I can't make the 13 I know I can get it close enough to my hole and leave the qball on the rail. It will force him into a trap. IMHO--So in other words I dont think Jays shot choice is all that great IMHO
XOXO
Fanny

[wincardona]

I'm shooting the one into the eight and leaving the cue ball on the rail near the four. The eight spots and your opponent has an awkward bank on the three that I hope he shoots.
You are correct, if he's dumb enough to shoot the 3, but what are you going to do if he plays safe off the 8 and leaves you on the rail and long? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[SJDinPHX]

Yeah he could do that but doesn't the 2 railer on the 13 go (as a retaliating shot)? The angle is wrong (even on the wei )to get behind the 4; Even if I can't make the 13 I know I can get it close enough to my hole and leave the qball on the rail. It will force him into a trap. IMHO
XOXO
Fanny

Fanny, you need to really look at the table. #1.. I don't think you can hit enough of the 13 to 2-rail it. (3's in the way) #2.. If you could 2 rail the 13 that would be a bad shot choice (to much traffic... and wheres your cue ball going ?)

Just a suggestion, you would better serve your learning process by picking a shot the experienced players choose, and even if they don't agree...one of these choices will usually be the best option.
Let them bash their heads, then pick the one you like best, and go with it.

Trying to find a shot that none of these very solid players may have overlooked, is very unlikely. Take this as well intentioned criticism. JMHO-ICBW.

Dick <----pick mine !!! pick mine !!!

PS Cancel opening speech...I see you are talking about a retalitory 2 railer on the 13, but the crux of my message still stands. Just ignore the first paragraph. ;)

[Fanatic]

Fanny, you need to really look at the table. #1.. I don't think you can hit enough of the 13 to 2-rail it. (3's in the way)* #2.. If you could 2 rail the 13 that would be a bad shot choice (to much traffic... and wheres your cue ball going ?)*Just a suggestion, you would better serve your learning process by picking a shot the experienced players choose, and even if they don't agree...one of these choices will usually be the best option.Let them bash their heads, then pick the one you like best, and go with it.Trying to find a shot that none of these very solid players may have overlooked, is very unlikely. Take this as well intentioned criticism. JMHO-ICBW.Dick* <----pick mine !!! pick mine !!!PS oh, and XOXO

SJD--This is my shot AFTER Jay shots the 1/8 combo silly goose (the pocket B shot; I'm pocket B) I know I'm female but its obvious that the 2 rail doesn't go from the original wei layout; I'm saying if Jay shot that shot I would 2 rail the 13 (maybe/depending/posibily)*

I'm still dizzy SJD by the change in layout and the Artie Ghost War that I don't remember what your shot was---which one is it ? And even if i can't make the 2 rail bank (which looks to me like there's room to at the very least put it on my side of the table) I still don't like Jays shot. If you make the eight with the one I think the qball is going to be in a easy spot (not the preferable spot of a trap) to do an easy retaliation play which puts him danger of being trapped. I don't like the wei too much either it's just not the same as being on the table. But to make you happy I'll pick your shot which ever one that might be.;)
XOXO
Fanny

[SJDinPHX]

SJD--This is my shot AFTER Jay shots the 1/8 combo silly goose (the pocket B shot; I'm pocket B) I know I'm female but its obvious that the 2 rail doesn't go from the original wei layout; I'm saying if Jay shot that shot I would 2 rail the 13 (maybe/depending/posibily)*

I'm still dizzy SJD by the change in layout and the Artie Ghost War that I don't remember what your shot was---which one is it ? And even if i can't make the 2 rail bank (which looks to me like there's room to at the very least put it on my side of the table) I still don't like Jays shot. If you make the eight with the one I think the qball is going to be in a easy spot (not the preferable spot of a trap) to do an easy retaliation play which puts him danger of being trapped. I don't like the wei too much either it's just not the same as being on the table. But to make you happy I'll pick your shot which ever one that might be.;)
XOXO
Fanny

You apparently missed my PS/edit...silly goose !

[Fanatic]

You apparently missed my PS/edit...silly goose !

No I wrote it while you were editing it silly and you should have included the whole post. I know I should sit back and let you guys duke it out but I do know a lot of the correct shots and strategy (not every single one of them but most and when I'm in unfamiliar territory I do sit back and listen) but i certainly can spot a bad / sell out shot. I'm past 1h 101 that I know for sure. YOU WANNA PLAY SOME ;)
XOXO
Fanny

[Cowboy Dennis]

No I wrote it while you were editing it silly and you should have included the whole post. I know I should sit back and let you guys duke it out but I do know a lot of the correct shots and strategy (not every single one of them but most and when I'm in unfamiliar territory I do sit back and listen) but i certainly can spot a bad / sell out shot. I'm past 1h 101 that I know for sure. YOU WANNA PLAY SOME ;)
XOXO
Fanny


Fanny,

You will soon learn that SJD requires a 30 minute grace period after posting so that he can edit or correct his posts. Of course, he never needs to correct anything, just add to it.

The last time I responded to one of his posts within 10 mins. I was threatened with alligators and cheap chicago hookers. Believe me when I tell you, that put the fear into me.

Dennis

[Cowboy Dennis]

After all the discussion about how to play safe, is there anyone besides me that would've shot at the 3 ball ? although I enjoyed the safes, and thats what the thread was about, I couldn't get serious knowing I'd have shot at my pocket.
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Rod,

I guess I missed all of the discussion on this layout. I was fighting a squirrel motorcycle gang. Their colors read "Born to Eat Nuts".

Two things I don't like about shooting the three. Leaving the rock center table. If the three does not get all the way to the hole, a possible easy cross-corner bank is available with balls to play shapes on naturally. And not needing it badly enough to shoot it at this point. I realize that the game is almost even with this score, but I figure, let him try to move something downtable.

I lean in the same direction as Jay on this one. I like moving his main threat also. But you have to get the cueball behind the 4 or give up a 2-railer on the 13, like Fanny said. It's always something isn't it?

Dennis <<<-----gets scared with such a free shot, thinks there's a trick involved.


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[gulfportdoc]

I lean in the same direction as Jay on this one. I like moving his main threat also. But you have to get the cueball behind the 4 or give up a 2-railer on the 13...
I too like Jay's shot, but only if the shooter believes he can get the CB behind the 4-ball. Otherwise I still like thinning the 1-ball best.

Remember, the shooter only needs three, whereas the opponent needs five. If the shooter thins the 1-ball, and leaves the CB down on the foot rail near the opponent's pocket, the opponent has very little to shoot at, and he's likely to sell out a straight back bank.

Doc

[jay helfert]

Yeah he could do that but doesn't the 2 railer on the 13 go (as a retaliating shot)? The angle is wrong (even on the wei )to get behind the 4; Even if I can't make the 13 I know I can get it close enough to my hole and leave the qball on the rail. It will force him into a trap. IMHO--So in other words I dont think Jays shot choice is all that great IMHO
XOXO
Fanny

If you lay the cue ball on the side rail near the four ball, shooting the thirteen ball two rails is suicide. Bad angle, too much traffic and no cue ball control!

[jay helfert]

You are correct, if he's dumb enough to shoot the 3, but what are you going to do if he plays safe off the 8 and leaves you on the rail and long? :confused: :confused: :confused:

This is exactly why I always avoided guys like you Billy. You know the answer to any trap I can lay down. Yes, if you cross over the eight and let the cue ball drift down to the end rail, you've made a good response. I still like keeping my man on the defensive with no offensive shot. I would probably have to roll up on the four ball next, after you put me on the end rail.

[androd]

This is exactly why I always avoided guys like you Billy. You know the answer to any trap I can lay down. Yes, if you cross over the eight and let the cue ball drift down to the end rail, you've made a good response. I still like keeping my man on the defensive with no offensive shot. I would probably have to roll up on the four ball next, after you put me on the end rail.

I would imagine it takes all you experenced players a long time to finish a game. I've already seen all these safties. The question was would anybody besides me shoot at the 3 ball. The answer seems to be very few.
Rod. <---- sorry about hijacking the thread GHOST, didn't think it would go this way.

[wincardona]

I too like Jay's shot, but only if the shooter believes he can get the CB behind the 4-ball. Otherwise I still like thinning the 1-ball best.

Remember, the shooter only needs three, whereas the opponent needs five. If the shooter thins the 1-ball, and leaves the CB down on the foot rail near the opponent's pocket, the opponent has very little to shoot at, and he's likely to sell out a straight back bank.

Doc
In situations of this type, you are trying to get the first shot, so by repositioning the cue ball near or behind the 4 ball is not the way to win the first shot. When the balls are up table, you want to leave your opponent down table, near or on the rail. In this situation shooting the 3 ball and drawing the cue ball back to the end rail imo is clearly the best shot.Shooting off the 1 ball is also a good shot, if you have a good feel for those type of shots, but a bit more risky. :D :) :D

[wincardona]

This is exactly why I always avoided guys like you Billy. You know the answer to any trap I can lay down. Yes, if you cross over the eight and let the cue ball drift down to the end rail, you've made a good response. I still like keeping my man on the defensive with no offensive shot. I would probably have to roll up on the four ball next, after you put me on the end rail.
Yes I would roll up to the 4 ball also, but then our opponent would roll off the 3 ball and put us back down table, near or on the end rail.:confused: :confused: But fortunately we wouldn't be in that situation, because we would of shot the 3 ball and put our opponent on or near the end rail.:cool: :)

[Cowboy Dennis]

The question was would anybody besides me shoot at the 3 ball. .


Rod,

Sorry for ignoring the question Rod. Fighting squirrel gangs takes a lot out of a man. To answer your question completely and honestly: I would bank the 3 if I was betting high enough.

Dennis

[One Pocket Ghost]

In situations of this type, you are trying to get the first shot, so by repositioning the cue ball near or behind the 4 ball is not the way to win the first shot. When the balls are up table, you want to leave your opponent down table, near or on the rail.


Exactly, and I already said this exact same thing early on in presenting my shot, when stating all of the reasoning behind it.....That you want your opponent frozen on the head rail having to come with a shot - you don't shoot a safety that allows him to do that to you, on his next shot - it's a large part of the strategic reasoning here.



In this situation shooting the 3 ball and drawing the cue ball back to the end rail imo is clearly the best shot.



Thank you.


- Ghost

[jay helfert]

Yes I would roll up to the 4 ball also, but then our opponent would roll off the 3 ball and put us back down table, near or on the end rail.:confused: :confused: But fortunately we wouldn't be in that situation, because we would of shot the 3 ball and put our opponent on or near the end rail.:cool: :)

But now there are two balls to bank at (the 3 and the 8), where I can turn the game around.

[Fanatic]

If you lay the cue ball on the side rail near the four ball, shooting the thirteen ball two rails is suicide. Bad angle, too much traffic and no cue ball control!

The key word there is IF (on the wei it doesn't look like you can get behind the 4)-----Regardless I'm putting my foot down I'm shooting the 1 (Arties shot) ---No offense Ghost I just can't execute your shot that well---but that doesn't make it bad it just means its an advanced shot for advanced players
XOXO

[wincardona]

But now there are two balls to bank at (the 3 and the 8), where I can turn the game around.
The only bank you are going to be shooting at is the one that i'm going to to deposit your money.;)

[jay helfert]

The only bank you are going to be shooting at is the one that i'm going to to deposit your money.;)

Ain't gonna happen. I already locked your money up years ago. THANKS!