Vernon Elliot bank shot

[Skin]

I ran across this video and thought I'd post it because of the onepocket.org feature on Vernon Elliott's death. It is touted as Vernon Elliot's impossible bank. The guy shooting is Joe Tucker and he is using some kind of laser gizmo to help.

Does anybody know the story on this shot? Is it really a Vernon Elliot shot? Did he shoot it in a game or as a prop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU

There is a "voice over" here.

http://www.joetucker.net/vernon_elliot_bank.htm

I assume you could slightly modify it to make the shot into pocket A?...if you didn't mind the cb going flying off 4 or 5 rails. :)

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AbbH4PbUf3QcYt@

Skin

[androd]

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I assume you could slightly modify it to make the shot into pocket A?...if you didn't mind the cb going flying off 4 or 5 rails. :)

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AbbH4PbUf3QcYt@

Skin

HaHaHaHaHa.
Or maybe 2 rails into pocket B.
Rod.

[fred bentivegna]

I ran across this video and thought I'd post it because of the onepocket.org feature on Vernon Elliott's death. It is touted as Vernon Elliot's impossible bank. The guy shooting is Joe Tucker and he is using some kind of laser gizmo to help.

Does anybody know the story on this shot? Is it really a Vernon Elliot shot? Did he shoot it in a game or as a prop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU

There is a "voice over" here.

http://www.joetucker.net/vernon_elliot_bank.htm

I assume you could slightly modify it to make the shot into pocket A?...if you didn't mind the cb going flying off 4 or 5 rails. :)

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AbbH4PbUf3QcYt@

Skin

Skin, your diagram is wrong. Nothing like the shot that Tucker shoots in his video. The shot is a Vernon original. I will attest to that, and I knew him well enough for him to be buried with my hat. He showed it to me in the 60s at Johnston City. And yes, he would shoot these shots in games or in propositions. Betting he couldnt do these things was not a good idea.

the Beard

[lll]

freddy, the science guys ,or anybody else, how is it possile to make that shot ???? i know joe told us how to hit it,but i dont see how from that angle you can get the object ball to go backwards??? skin the shot for 1p is not the same shot as the object ball has to go foward to get to pocket b.

[lll]

freddy you were posting as i was typing

[newfosgatesucks]

The razor sharp cut angle is so thin, it nearly does away with collision-induced spin. Spin transfer from cue to object ball is never totally done away with completely, at any angle, therefore the spin transfer is greater than the collision induced spin on the banked ball. Add the fact the ball is frozen, and you see that the ball is thrown off the rail. HELD off the rail would have been better wording....

There are two ways to make this shot, you can aim to miss it and deflect into it directly, or you can deflect off the side rail to add spin to the cueball, I cannot make but about 1/10 when I shoot it, I get about 3/10 with the cueball one ball space from the side rail, and better than 50 percent if 2 or 2-1/2 balls off the side. Its fun, but in my personal arsenal, not a preferred shot at all. I shoot the version where the balls lay to bank cross side - you put the obj ball PAST the side and reverse it cross side. Thats probably why my % is a little on the low side.

freddy, the science guys ,or anybody else, how is it possile to make that shot ???? i know joe told us how to hit it,but i dont see how from that angle you can get the object ball to go backwards??? skin the shot for 1p is not the same shot as the object ball has to go foward to get to pocket b.

[lll]

thanks nfgs

[opposedtwin]

Not too long before Vernon had the stroke that paralyzed his left side I was talking with him about this shot. For over an hour I placed the object ball on the rail and watched him shoot it. I thought there was some trick he employed ie, masseing into the ball but he had me stand behind him and beside him as he practiced the shot. He never elevated the cue. His cue was level and delivered straight thru to CB with maybe 1/2 tip of english. It was a pure stroke shot. About a year ago, long after Vernon's stroke, Rafael Martinez was in town for a tournament and I introduced he and Vernon. I told Rafael about Vernon's shot and he said he too could make it. After nearly 2 hours of shooting he did indeed finally make the shot. He used extreme side spin and elevated his cue when shooting it. Vernon said that was the reason it took Rafael so many shots to make it. Vernon always tried to get as many shots as possible when betting, (and he never shot anything for exhibition) but he said if he had as many as 10 attempts it was a lock. He showed me many of his "impossible" shots because with me being such a poor player he knew I could never duplicate any of them, lol.

[fred bentivegna]

In 1972 I was in Johnston City with my wife and newborn baby daughter. Early in the morning I went into the "back room," where all the action took place behind the Show Lounge. Vernon was banging balls around and telling stories to some younger players. He had been up all night. He set up his ridiculous cross corner and said that he was shooting it as a proposition earlier in the night. He said he was stalling around with it and getting many shots but for cheap money. He said it was only when he said he could make it in two tries that the smart money showed up and tried to bust him. He bragged that he made a carload of money by making it in two pops. I looked at the shot and stupidly challenged him. "Well, you can go ahead and bust me with those two tries!" I just figured he was one of those country boy bull sh*tters. I knew he could play, but that shot made no sense. "I dont want your money kid, I know you're here with your wife and that new baby, and I won enough last night to buy an airplane." He pulled out a giant lump from his pocket but that still wasnt enough for me. Like a dummy, I'm still insisting that he bet me. "Forget about it, son. Watch this." And he shot and made the cross-corner the first attempt. From then on I was a Vernon believer and we became good friends. I would still try him time to time and he always won. I finally managed to come 3 games ahead one time in Hot Springs, AR and I was happier than a knocker with the first cell phone. As Buddy Hall said about Vernon, "Yeah, those shots are impossible, but dont bet he cant make 'em."

the Beard

[opposedtwin]

To follow up a bit on Freddy's story; Vernon told me this same story before I ever knew who Freddy was. I asked him why he wouldn't take Freddy's money like he did everyone else's money and he said Freddy was there with his wife and she was pregnant and he had already made plenty of money. He said Freddy had a lot of spunk and he liked him. He always spoke fondly of Freddy. I miss his weekly stories when I stopped by with breakfast. Now there is no one to administer my pool story addiction, lol.