Play out of this break

[Skin]

Some of the most interesting problems in 1p come when you have to try to play out of a good break by the opponent. This is a problem from WOP. The shooter has pocket A. What do you do? I put 3 of the possible solutions on pages 2-4 in the WEI booklet.

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Skin

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Some of the most interesting problems in 1p come when you have to try to play out of a good break by the opponent. This is a problem from WOP. The shooter has pocket A. What do you do? I put 3 of the possible solutions on pages 2-4 in the WEI booklet.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv4bMeS4bLQh1bGbc1bCwK4kbHF4kNTC3kaco3kVMN3kVEf@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv3gaHw3gJBa4kbHF3kWmr3kagW1kOKg1kbqN3kaTC3kVdX@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv3UTIE3URDv3UQFq4kbHF2kahm1kAOg1kbQF3kbAy3kVtD3kVEh@ I would take the 5 rail intentinal scratch. But if you want to shot a circus shot shoot the 10 ball on the left side of the thirteenball and the nine ball will hit the one ball and go in the pocket and the nine ball will hit the side rail and go twords your pocket and the ten ball will also go to your pocket. And you go three rails with the cue ball around the table. Behind the 15 ball and the nine ball might even go in your pocket.

Skin I posted above the OUOTE I hope it doesnt get erased.

[Skin]

I posted above the OUOTE I hope it doesnt get erased.

Artie, there is nothing here for me except the intentional scratch. I hate to start a game out that way, but I don;t see myself pulling anything else off. Something like diagrammed below.

Skin

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[beatle]

i like to break up the dead shots as they come back to haunt me every time.

so i set it up and and hit the left side of the nine and was able to come in back of the one fifteen while breaking open some of those tight balls in the rack area sending them a little way toward my hole.
that was the best shot for me and i didnt have to worry about selling out by leaving a bank on the seven if i didnt get behind cover.

[Artie Bodendorfer]

i like to break up the dead shots as they come back to haunt me every time.

so i set it up and and hit the left side of the nine and was able to come in back of the one fifteen while breaking open some of those tight balls in the rack area sending them a little way toward my hole.
that was the best shot for me and i didnt have to worry about selling out by leaving a bank on the seven if i didnt get behind cover. Its under neath the second post. I thought it got erased but it didnt.

[Skin]

Its under neath the second post. I thought it got erased but it didnt.

I saw it. This it it.

"I would take the 5 rail intentinal scratch. But if you want to shot a circus shot shoot the 10 ball on the left side of the thirteenball and the nine ball will hit the one ball and go in the pocket and the nine ball will hit the side rail and go twords your pocket and the ten ball will also go to your pocket. And you go three rails with the cue ball around the table. Behind the 15 ball and the nine ball might even go in your pocket." -- Artie

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[One pocket Smitty]

Artie, I see your shot. But looking at the layout, it seems to me the 10 ball has enough room to go and the cb go 3 rails to end up behind the 1 & 15. If not I might just go ahead with the up table kick at the 1 and hope for the best.---Smitty

[lll]

i think everyones objective is to get behind the 15-1 and break up the dead kiss as a bonus. personally i like coming off the 11 (page 3 of your layout) and it looks like you could do the same idea off the 10 and come 3-5 rails and end up in the same location . both those shots move balls to your side AND leave a safe. if i were to play an intensional safe i would 3-5 rail it skin instead of 1-3 rail it as you diagrammed because the angle coming into the long rail i think makes it more likely to in under the 15-1

[Cal]

being old and not seeing very well, I would throw bank the 9 ball sending the cue ball to the long rail

[lll]

an added bonus of coming off the 11 or 10 is it will break up the dead 13-9 combo to his pocket. alot of good things happen with that shot.

[lll]

keeping the intentional scratch as a default shot in "what do i do now?" is often overlooked but can be a strong move.imho

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Artie, I see your shot. But looking at the layout, it seems to me the 10 ball has enough room to go and the cb go 3 rails to end up behind the 1 & 15. If not I might just go ahead with the up table kick at the 1 and hope for the best.---Smitty The angle is a perfect angle. The tenball into the thirteen ball and the cue ball around the table lays perfect. But for my money I would just take a 5 rail intentinal scratch and leave the cue ball behind the 15 and one ball. And I am out of the trap. The other shot is just something to experiment with.

[fred bentivegna]

five rails short is a shot you know you can absolutely execute.

the Beard

[androd]

Although I like coming off the 7 ball, the last time I recomended it all the good players said" too tough to shoot, have to stun the CB". I liked Beattles' shot but didn't think I could hit the 9 ball. The 5 rail kick is a hanger if you want to take a foul. So here's another option I shoot in some spots like this.
Rod.

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[lll]

rod to me this one takes much more touch than the shot off the 7. also you dont move another ball to his side.p.s. you did get a little fried last time you mentioned a shot like the one off the 7. i didnt think then or now that it was that delicate)

[gbru]

[QUOTE=androd]Although I like coming off the 7 ball,




Rod....I like this shot....I have been practicing caroming off more than one ball.....

However.....In shooting Beattles shot, I took a straight edge and it looks like the cue ball will hit the 9 ball just enough to have the angle to drop nicely behind the 1/15 and nudge it slightly.

If the nine has enough force after contacting the rail it could contact the 10 or 13 ball sending one or the other closer to your side.

The 5 rail kick is a good shot but it doesn't accomplish much IMO....What's the word Grady always uses?..... "It's just too ???????.....

And....in a scratch for scratch scenario you could get the worst of it.....I think!

Straight-edge...george

[lll]

the 10 or 11 back into the stack with the q coming around to hide behind the 15-1 is still the shot for me.

[androd]

the 10 or 11 back into the stack with the q coming around to hide behind the 15-1 is still the shot for me.

Larry lll, I think it would be very hard to get the CB around off the 10 ball without cutting it thin and possibly into the 13 ball. The full hit is going to take the CB very long.
Rod. <--- not sure what you mean about the 11 ball.
PS, As for the caroms, don't think they're too tough. If you don't hit the OB solidly the CB keeps moving along.

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Larry lll, I think it would be very hard to get the CB around off the 10 ball without cutting it thin and possibly into the 13 ball. The full hit is going to take the CB very long.
Rod. <--- not sure what you mean about the 11 ball.
PS, As for the caroms, don't think they're too tough. If you don't hit the OB solidly the CB keeps moving along. The full hit on the ten ball will not take the cueball long. You shot the shot with follow and the cue ball will even shorten up. Because its like a force follow shot.

[lll]

rod look at page 3 of skins wei table .shows the shot off the 11. both shots the idea is bank a ball into the stack and go 3-5 rails to safe heaven, it comes up alot or some variation after the break. im always looking for what can i bank into the stack and leave safe. is that a bad strategy?

[androd]

rod look at page 3 of skins wei table .shows the shot off the 11. both shots the idea is bank a ball into the stack and go 3-5 rails to safe heaven, it comes up alot or some variation after the break. im always looking for what can i bank into the stack and leave safe. is that a bad strategy?

Larry lll, that's absolutely a great strategy. Page 3 on the orignal post is shooting off the 12 ball, thats why I got confused. Maybe your eyes are more blurry than mine. LOL
Rod. < ----I'm gonna feel silly if that ain't the 12 ball.

[Cowboy Dennis]

Some of the most interesting problems in 1p come when you have to try to play out of a good break by the opponent. This is a problem from WOP. The shooter has pocket A. What do you do? I put 3 of the possible solutions on pages 2-4 in the WEI booklet.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv4bMeS4bLQh1bGbc1bCwK4kbHF4kNTC3kaco3kVMN3kVEf@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv3gaHw3gJBa4kbHF3kWmr3kagW1kOKg1kbqN3kaTC3kVdX@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv3UTIE3URDv3UQFq4kbHF2kahm1kAOg1kbQF3kbAy3kVtD3kVEh@

Skin


I'd swear that I've seen this layout, and all of the ensuing arguments, in the last two or three weeks. But I've been wrong before.

[blackeee]

Some of the most interesting problems in 1p come when you have to try to play out of a good break by the opponent. This is a problem from WOP. The shooter has pocket A. What do you do? I put 3 of the possible solutions on pages 2-4 in the WEI booklet.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv4bMeS4bLQh1bGbc1bCwK4kbHF4kNTC3kaco3kVMN3kVEf@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv3gaHw3gJBa4kbHF3kWmr3kagW1kOKg1kbqN3kaTC3kVdX@3ATIE4BDvo3CGbA3DAUU3EDWT4FDfV4GMeS4HCws3IJBk3JBAl4KBrJ3LaHw3MHeS3NGYL3OSCT4PbHF4QdOv3UTIE3URDv3UQFq4kbHF2kahm1kAOg1kbQF3kbAy3kVtD3kVEh@

Skin

I'd kick 4 rails behind the one.

[blackeee]

Although I like coming off the 7 ball, the last time I recomended it all the good players said" too tough to shoot, have to stun the CB". I liked Beattles' shot but didn't think I could hit the 9 ball. The 5 rail kick is a hanger if you want to take a foul. So here's another option I shoot in some spots like this.
Rod.

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I don't like coming off the 7 because you remove it from your side.

[lll]

Larry lll, that's absolutely a great strategy. Page 3 on the orignal post is shooting off the 12 ball, thats why I got confused. Maybe your eyes are more blurry than mine. LOL
Rod. < ----I'm gonna feel silly if that ain't the 12 ball.
it IS THE TWELVE BALL (12). i have to go back to the wei-eye doctor and get my wei glasses readjusted and ask for a refund based on the embarrassment he caused me:o

[lll]

I'd swear that I've seen this layout, and all of the ensuing arguments, in the last two or three weeks. But I've been wrong before.
http://onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2962 deja vu

[androd]

I don't like coming off the 7 because you remove it from your side.

BLACKEEE, You,re really not hitting it that hard.
Rod <--- Has a touch like a blacksmith.

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[androd]

[QUOTE=lll]http://onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2962

deja vu


"Deja Vu All over again" Yogi Berra ? probably not.
thats the thread where I got scolded for liking the shot off the 5(7) ball, seems it's recomended in this layout.
Rod. <--has thick skin, but rarely forgets.

[senor]

[QUOTE=lll]http://onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2962

deja vu


"Deja Vu All over again" Yogi Berra ? probably not.
thats the thread where I got scolded for liking the shot off the 5(7) ball, seems it's recomended in this layout.
Rod. <--has thick skin, but rarely forgets.

Haha. I still hate that shot. I'll always look at it in a game time situation, but I'll always hate it, even if I do force myself to shoot it.

[Skin]

http://onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2962 deja vu

Larry, how in the world did I miss that earlier post with the same layout? It couldn't have been a senior moment. I'm not old enough for those...yet. :rolleyes:

Skin

[lll]

skin it wasnt a senior moment since i dont think you comented on it when i posted it.you just ignored it:eek: for punishment you have to shoot 50 spot shots in a row alternating corners and pay me $5 for every miss (im giving you leniency since this is your first offence in my court). once i get the $250 ill pm sappo and buy the tapes.:D :rolleyes: :cool: :) i know you like emoticons

[Cowboy Dennis]

Although I like coming off the 7 ball, the last time I recomended it all the good players said" too tough to shoot, have to stun the CB". I liked Beattles' shot but didn't think I could hit the 9 ball. The 5 rail kick is a hanger if you want to take a foul. So here's another option I shoot in some spots like this.
Rod.

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I really like the double or triple carom in the right situations. Often overlooked by good players.

[lll]

dennis your insight to whats available is always an eyeopener to whats there . since you already told artie go you know what what is your speed in your opinioun?

[gbru]

I really like the double or triple carom in the right situations. Often overlooked by good players.



I like that shot Dennis.

I set it up on my table at home and the caroms are much easier to see than on Dick's Toy WEI table.

[SJDinPHX]

I really like the double or triple carom in the right situations. Often overlooked by good players.

And ALWAYS by mediocre players..:D

[Cowboy Dennis]

I like that shot Dennis.

I set it up on my table at home and the caroms are much easier to see than on Dick's Toy WEI table.


George,

You do know that Dick has never missed a ball on the WEI table don't you?

Dennis

[Cowboy Dennis]

dennis your insight to whats available is always an eyeopener to whats there . since you already told artie go you know what what is your speed in your opinioun?


Larry,

My speed is one and possibly two balls less than it was six years ago. Only because of my eyesight though. Otherwise, all is well.

Dennis

[gbru]

George,

You do know that Dick has never missed a ball on the WEI table don't you?

Dennis


Yes!...And Artie always picks the right shot.....Who do you bet on :D

george

[Cowboy Dennis]

Yes!...And Artie always picks the right shot.....Who do you bet on :D

george


Gotta go with that SJD guy, whoever the hell he is.

[One Pocket Ghost]

Nobody nose, what this guy nose.....:eek:.....:cool:



- Ghost <---------Knows many circus and carnival people.....;)

[Cowboy Dennis]

- Ghost <---------Knows many circus and carnival people.....;)


...and is getting friendlier and friendlier with them every day.

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Nobody nose, what this guy nose.....:eek:.....:cool:



- Ghost <---------Knows many circus and carnival people.....;) This guy has his nose in everything.