What to do, serious question.

[androd]

This came up yesterday, I had no idea what to do, which doesn't happen too often. (I usually have an idea even if it's wrong) I have pocket A and need 8 balls, he needs 3 balls. I would like some opinions please.
Rod.
PS, I failed miserably.

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[Cowboy Dennis]

This came up yesterday, I had no idea what to do, which doesn't happen too often. (I usually have an idea even if it's wrong) I have pocket A and need 8 balls, he needs 3 balls. I would like some opinions please.
Rod.
PS, I failed miserably.



That's a tough spot Rod. I'm assuming that you cannot shoot the 1 into the 14 off the end-rail. Pushing out into the stack is the only thing I see and you'll leave a return kick on the 7, but you may get another shot out of it.

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[Dudley]

What about this? I would probably shoot it this way because even if it double kisses your opponent has allot of work to make more then a couple balls. If he knows how to bump open the stack and get out if I sell the 14 ball I'm in a bad game..... :D



Dudley
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[One Pocket Ghost]

This came up yesterday, I had no idea what to do, which doesn't happen too often. (I usually have an idea even if it's wrong) I have pocket A and need 8 balls, he needs 3 balls. I would like some opinions please.
Rod.
PS, I failed miserably.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4ABis4BAEm3CDGd4DAVE4EVNK3FSLL3GRle3HAUJ4IScK4JPJL1KAMl3LVNI1MBkM4NXYQ3OBit3PTtq3QcQs@



I guess this answer won't surprise anybody, ;), but I would just softly kick in the 7 ball - it's laying good for an easy kick...and also, nothing else goes in his pocket, and you're spotting this guy 10 to 6 so he doesn't play that good, so he will probably only make one ball even if you miss the kick.


- Ghost

[beatle]

maybe bank off of one of the two short rails and bank his ball towards your hole and bring the cue ball up towards his side pocket. as long as you hit the ball from the lower rail something good can easily happen and you can came out the best of it on the shot. not too much to loose here so it pays to make the shot more offensive. plus if you make his ball you will likely leave him safeish

[Skin]

This came up yesterday, I had no idea what to do, which doesn't happen too often. (I usually have an idea even if it's wrong) I have pocket A and need 8 balls, he needs 3 balls. I would like some opinions please.
Rod.
PS, I failed miserably.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4ABis4BAEm3CDGd4DAVE4EVNK3FSLL3GRle3HAUJ4IScK4JPJL1KAMl3LVNI1MBkM4NXYQ3OBit3PTtq3QcQs@

Rod, I would seriously consider just firing hard with high english into that cavity formed by the 15-8-3. It looks like the balls will spread out away from his hole and the cb won't just stay there but will get to a rail. I'd have to get lucky on the leave but at least I would be giving myself a chance.

Skin

[One Pocket Ghost]

Rod, I would seriously consider just firing hard with high english into that cavity formed by the 15-8-3. It looks like the balls will spread out away from his hole and the cb won't just stay there but will get to a rail. I'd have to get lucky on the leave but at least I would be giving myself a chance.

Skin



:eek:-:o -:(-:o-:eek:

[demonrho]

This came up yesterday, I had no idea what to do, which doesn't happen too often. (I usually have an idea even if it's wrong) I have pocket A and need 8 balls, he needs 3 balls. I would like some opinions please.
Rod.
PS, I failed miserably.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4ABis4BAEm3CDGd4DAVE4EVNK3FSLL3GRle3HAUJ4IScK4JPJL1KAMl3LVNI1MBkM4NXYQ3OBit3PTtq3QcQs@

Looks to me you could two rail the cue ball off your long rail and then into the short rail (by the nine) and hopefully remove the fourteen without disturbing the cluster by the rack. At worst you might scratch and give up one ball, at best you might bank it on your side.

[Skin]

:eek:-:o -:(-:o-:eek:

Now don't freak out too badly, Ghost. I actually did set the balls up on my table and took that shot before I posted. Here's how it turned out. I'm in business.

A triumph of the uncluttered mind!

Skin

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[One Pocket Ghost]

Now don't freak out too badly, Ghost. I actually did set the balls up on my table and took that shot before I posted. Here's how it turned out. I'm in business.

A triumph of the uncluttered mind!

Skin

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[One Pocket Ghost]

Now don't freak out too badly, Ghost. I actually did set the balls up on my table and took that shot before I posted. Here's how it turned out. I'm in business.

A triumph of the uncluttered mind!

Skin

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Skin.....I found a pic of the guy that you conferred with, to come up with this shot choice of yours...:rolleyes:....:D >>>



- Ghost

[Skin]

Skin.....I found a pic of the guy that you conferred with, to come up with this shot choice of yours...:rolleyes:....:D >>>



- Ghost

Hey, it was a damn good shot, Ghost. :D Might win me the game.

The only other thing I saw with the balls set up was going off the 11 and then 2 rails back to about where I started with the cb. The situation is very bad. Why not spread them out and hope to get a lucky leave so at least maybe you have a chance at a run? You've got nothing but a caca sandwich the way it is.

How'd that line go in Risky Business (set in Chicago btw)? "Sometimes you just got to say what the fuck, what the fuck gives you freedom, freedom gives you oppurtunity, oppurtunity makes your future."

Skin

[vapros]

I'm going to put the 3, 2 and 4 in motion, and freeze the cue ball up tight against both the 8 and the 15. Not a difficult shot, and you can hit it at the speed of your choice. It's not exactly where you would like to see him, but he can't do much from there and whatever he leaves me figures to be better than where I am now. I'm wondering why no one else has liked this shot. If there is a good reason, no doubt it will be pointed out. :cool:

[Mike]

Thin on the 7 and park the CB ine the 2-3-4 pocket.

[One pocket Smitty]

AndRod, My first thought is to take a intentional scratch. Or you could see if he would let you buyout for 1/2. But then if you are in a real jam and the defensive shot is as hard as a offensive shot take the gamble on pg.2. Who knows you may get lucky and something go. The way I look at it is your going to lose unless something lucky happens, so go for it.--Smittyhttp://CueTable.com/P/?@4ABis4BAEm3CDGd4DAVE4EVNK3FSLL3GRle3HAUJ4IScK4JPJL1KAMl3LVNI1MBkM4NXYQ3OBit3PTtq3QcQs3kTtq3kbwh4kUnr@4ABis4BAEm3CDGd4DAVE4EVNK3FSLL3GRle3HAdJ4IScK4JPJL1KAMl3LVNI1MBkM4NXYQ3OBit3PUry3QcQs4UBis3UAMG3UAMF3UAMI3WDGd3Wchw3cAdJ3cCxc3kUry4kcVn4kDVm2kboJ@

[androd]

That's a tough spot Rod. I'm assuming that you cannot shoot the 1 into the 14 off the end-rail. Pushing out into the stack is the only thing I see and you'll leave a return kick on the 7, but you may get another shot out of it.

DENNIS, Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I rarely think of taking a scratch, but probably shoulda here.

What about this? I would probably shoot it this way because even if it double kisses your opponent has allot of work to make more then a couple balls. If he knows how to bump open the stack and get out if I sell the 14 ball I'm in a bad game..

I'm not that good at masse' shots, scratching wouldn't have been that bad , but I was afraid I'd miss the 14 ball.

I guess this answer won't surprise anybody, , but I would just softly kick in the 7 ball - it's laying good for an easy kick...and also, nothing else goes in his pocket, and you're spotting this guy 10 to 6 so he doesn't play that good, so he will probably only make one ball even if you miss the kick.

This is the shot I tried, as you know the WEI table is a little different. I was more than 2 diamonds away and I kicked into my corner pocket.

maybe bank off of one of the two short rails and bank his ball towards your hole and bring the cue ball up towards his side pocket. as long as you hit the ball from the lower rail something good can easily happen and you can came out the best of it on the shot. not too much to loose here so it pays to make the shot more offensive. plus if you make his ball you will likely leave him safeish

I wish I had thought about turning around and trying to get the CB under the 14 ball, although I don't think I'd of tried to kick it out.

Rod, I would seriously consider just firing hard with high english into that cavity formed by the 15-8-3. It looks like the balls will spread out away from his hole and the cb won't just stay there but will get to a rail. I'd have to get lucky on the leave but at least I would be giving myself a chance.


I like your idea a lot, I was reluctant to open'em up as he only needed 3 balls

Looks to me you could two rail the cue ball off your long rail and then into the short rail (by the nine) and hopefully remove the fourteen without disturbing the cluster by the rack. At worst you might scratch and give up one ball, at best you might bank it on your side.

I was scared of this shot as I don't have a good feel fot it.

I'm going to put the 3, 2 and 4 in motion, and freeze the cue ball up tight against both the 8 and the 15. Not a difficult shot, and you can hit it at the speed of your choice. It's not exactly where you would like to see him, but he can't do much from there and whatever he leaves me figures to be better than where I am now. I'm wondering why no one else has liked this shot. If there is a good reason, no doubt it will be pointed out.

I LIKE THIS SHOT A LOT ALSO, WISH I'D SHOT IT.

My first thought is to take a intentional scratch. Or you could see if he would let you buyout for 1/2. But then if you are in a real jam and the defensive shot is as hard as a offensive shot take the gamble on pg.2. Who knows you may get lucky and something go. The way I look at it is your going to lose unless something lucky happens, so go for it.--Smitty

As I said before kicking under the 14 ball is a very good shot in this spot, I guess I was having a senior moment.

THANKS TO ALL.
Rod.

[gulfportdoc]

AndRod, My first thought is to take a intentional scratch. Or you could see if he would let you buyout for 1/2. But then if you are in a real jam and the defensive shot is as hard as a offensive shot take the gamble on pg.2. Who knows you may get lucky and something go. The way I look at it is your going to lose unless something lucky happens, so go for it.--Smitty
I like your approach, Smitty. I'd try to softly kick the 14-ball away two rails. If I scratch off the 14, it's not that bad. He's got nothing to shoot at.

Some guys might prefer the two rail kick up table off the near long rail first. It's just about the same risk/reward.

Doc

[senor]

This came up yesterday, I had no idea what to do, which doesn't happen too often. (I usually have an idea even if it's wrong) I have pocket A and need 8 balls, he needs 3 balls. I would like some opinions please.
Rod.
PS, I failed miserably.

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Maybe something like this? Try to get the 2 and the 8 moving towards your hole and force follow the cue ball to the rail.

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[senor]

I guess this answer won't surprise anybody, ;), but I would just softly kick in the 7 ball - it's laying good for an easy kick...and also, nothing else goes in his pocket, and you're spotting this guy 10 to 6 so he doesn't play that good, so he will probably only make one ball even if you miss the kick.


- Ghost

Au contraire mon fantome, I would guess to say that someone Rodney is playing could probably get shape on the 11 or 13 more often than he would like.

[One Pocket Ghost]

I would guess to say that someone Rodney is playing could probably get shape on the 11 or 13 more often than he would like.



Someone he was giving 10-6...uh,uh - I don't think so...they or you can bust me betting on that.

[senor]

Someone he was giving 10-6...uh,uh - I don't think so...they or you can bust me betting on that.

Au contraire encore mon fantome, I said more often than he would like, not with any kind of regularity.

Are you telling me the people you are giving 10-6 to have no chance of playing shape on the 11 or 13? We have a place in Texas for pool players like you...Austin ;) Those guys in Austin triple check that their opponent is roadkill before playing pool :D

[One Pocket Ghost]

Are you telling me the people you are giving 10-6 to have no chance of playing shape on the 11 or 13?



What I am telling you precisely...is that FOR SURE, anyone that ROD is giving 10-6, would not get shape on the 11 or the 13 a high enough percentage of the time for me to let it dictate or affect my shot choice...comprende?.....:)

[androd]

Thin on the 7 and park the CB ine the 2-3-4 pocket.

Mike, I didn't intend to leave your answer out, which I liked very much
wish I'd seen it. Thanks for the reply.
Rod.