Howz about this one?

[Skin]

Another situation in which I was stumped. I have pocket A and needed one...and a shot.

Skin

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[Cowboy Dennis]

Another situation in which I was stumped. I have pocket A and needed one...and a shot.

Skin

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I only learned this shot this past year on this site. I like it.
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[blackeee]

Another situation in which I was stumped. I have pocket A and needed one...and a shot.

Skin

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how bout this?http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AWLI4BTJG4CQgH4DNNJ4EKLM4FafJ4GHRL1HTxe4IDyK3JUoK3KSTK3LPJK3MLyL3NJeK3OGcL2PaKt4QdOs1cVEd1cUOh1cSjj1cSji2cbNQ4calV4calV4cbjl2kaKt1kbCE1kWrX1kWKX1kWjY@

[blackeee]

I only learned this shot this past year on this site. I like it.
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You beat me by 10 seconds Cowboy.

[beatle]

maybe by going rail first and knocking the eight across near the back hole on his side with the cue ball not going far after it hits it. his next shot will start the process of you being first to make the offensive move on the ball.

[KindlyOleUncleDave]

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Is there a law that requires one to take a flier here? Maybe they passed one while I was asleep ... before these damn dogs woke me up barking at the leaf that moved outside at 0300.

I really see no need to do anything but keep at least 1 ball out of play completely and fart around with the other one trying to create something for myself (something better than that kick-bank .... my name is not TRex).

And trust me .... I like to shoot.

I think I would tickle-kick the 8 out to the first diamond on the head rail. leaving both it and the CB as close to the rail as physically possible ......

[NH Steve]

Is there a law that requires one to take a flier here? Maybe they passed one while I was asleep ... before these damn dogs woke me up barking at the leaf that moved outside at 0300.

I really see no need to do anything but keep at least 1 ball out of play completely and fart around with the other one trying to create something for myself (something better than that kick-bank .... my name is not TRex).

And trust me .... I like to shoot.

I think I would tickle-kick the 8 out to the first diamond on the head rail. leaving both it and the CB as close to the rail as physically possible ......
I tend to agree here, too -- at least from my chair -- who knows at the table, lol. But if I only need one ball, as much fun as it would be to kick the eight two rails toward my hole, it can be missed and I could end up fighting for my life with two balls in play down table.

[senor]

I tend to agree here, too -- at least from my chair -- who knows at the table, lol. But if I only need one ball, as much fun as it would be to kick the eight two rails toward my hole, it can be missed and I could end up fighting for my life with two balls in play down table.

Part of the logic of the shot is that two balls are not in play...nothing can be done with the 6 ball. In fact, nobody wants to touch the 6 ball. I think it's easy to guess that the 6 will not be moved unless on accident or unless our opponent makes the 8 ball first. The only ball in play is the 8 ball, which can be two railed to either hole, although our pocket seems limited to the kick bank. That being said, we have a huge advantage with our opponent needing two here and only one ball in play. Use this advantage how you will, but the most obvious way to force our opponent into a mistake here is to have a ball near our hole with the cue ball at the other end of the table.

[gulfportdoc]

Another situation in which I was stumped. I have pocket A and needed one...and a shot. Skin
I'd roll the 6 in, and leave the CB down by my pocket. B has no good shot from there, and he'll eventually sell out a bank to A's hole. Keep in mind that the 8-ball banks straight back to pocket A if the CB is positioned many places on B's side of the table.

Doc

[Skin]

I only learned this shot this past year on this site. I like it.
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Yeah, I like that shot a lot, too. Thanks. Let me guess. Rod, right?:)

I couldn't see a way to put pressure on him so I just bunted and kept the 8 off a banking angle. Well, it got me another inning, anyway.

Skin

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[Skin]

I'd roll the 6 in, and leave the CB down by my pocket. B has no good shot from there, and he'll eventually sell out a bank to A's hole. Keep in mind that the 8-ball banks straight back to pocket A if the CB is positioned many places on B's side of the table.

Doc

Not sure I like the sound of that, Doc. :D

Skin < had pocket A

[androd]

Not sure I like the sound of that, Doc. :D

Skin < had pocket A

I agree, the only place the 6 ball goes is in your pocket, if you have the CB in hand. He'd have to move it because you dont want both balls in play. :( Also I liked the shot you made just fine. Good job. :)
Rod.
PS, The kick shot is much better if the 8 ball is closer to the rail.

[lll]

[QUOTE=Skin]Yeah, I like that shot a lot, too. Thanks. Let me guess. Rod, right?:)

I couldn't see a way to put pressure on him so I just bunted and kept the 8 off a banking angle. Well, it got me another inning, anyway.

Sk
i would have slow rolled the q into the 8
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[lll]

see page 2

[u12armresl]

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LOL don't forget this shot. Since everyone wants to shoot flyers....

[wincardona]

Needing only one ball and the 6 ball relatively out of play for my opponent I would pocket the 8 ball and allow my opponent to make a mistake. Anytime you can win and can't lose it can't be all that bad.;)

[Patrick Johnson]

Piece o' cake:

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[wincardona]

Needing only one ball and the 6 ball relatively out of play for my opponent I would pocket the 8 ball and allow my opponent to make a mistake. Anytime you can win and can't lose it can't be all that bad.;)
Needing only one ball you must not allow your opponent to shoot the 6 ball. The position of the 6 ball is very much in favor of the player shooting for pocket A, especially needing only one.:D

The next best shot would be to kick the 8 ball two cushions..only if you feel comfortable with that type of shot.

[lll]

Needing only one ball and the 6 ball relatively out of play for my opponent I would pocket the 8 ball and allow my opponent to make a mistake. Anytime you can win and can't lose it can't be all that bad.;)
where would you leave the cue ball? if you make the 8 you leave a shot either a cut to his pocket or cross corner thats not pressur on him. if hes smart he puts it up table and leaves you distance hoping YOU make the mistake. yes?
the only way to put pressure on him is get it (8) close to your hole in a way he cant easily cross bank it.imho. thus the kick bank. but for some of us (me) who needs more practice with that shot or dont want to risk if you hit it bad what wrong with hugging up to the 8 and see what he does.?
im sure there is alot to improve on in my analysis so fire away guys:)

[wincardona]

where would you leave the cue ball? if you make the 8 you leave a shot either a cut to his pocket or cross corner thats not pressur on him. if hes smart he puts it up table and leaves you distance hoping YOU make the mistake. yes?
the only way to put pressure on him is get it (8) close to your hole in a way he cant easily cross bank it.imho. thus the kick bank. but for some of us (me) who needs more practice with that shot or dont want to risk if you hit it bad what wrong with hugging up to the 8 and see what he does.?
im sure there is alot to improve on in my analysis so fire away guys:)
As long as the 6 ball is in the position that it's in now your opponent cannot win from there. Plus you will cut off a portion of the table where he can't afford to leave you, in fear of leaving a shot on the 6 ball. Bottom line, as long as the 6 ball remains in the position that's it's in your opponent must make his two balls one at a time. That alone puts more pressure on him.

By pocketing the 8 ball and leaving the cue ball frozen to the bottom rail you are tempting your opponent to shoot a difficult shot that he cannot win with but can lose with.:) This will also put more pressure on him, which should make you feel good.;) Matter of fact I would be hoping that he would shoot the spot shot ...frozen to the bottom rail.:eek: If he doesn't you won't be in trouble and possibly may have some type of a bank to win with, plus the 6 ball will still be in a favorable position.:cool:

[lll]

thanks bill

[Skin]

As long as the 6 ball is in the position that it's in now your opponent cannot win from there. Plus you will cut off a portion of the table where he can't afford to leave you, in fear of leaving a shot on the 6 ball. Bottom line, as long as the 6 ball remains in the position that's it's in your opponent must make his two balls one at a time. That alone puts more pressure on him.

By pocketing the 8 ball and leaving the cue ball frozen to the bottom rail you are tempting your opponent to shoot a difficult shot that he cannot win with but can lose with.:) This will also put more pressure on him, which should make you feel good.;) Matter of fact I would be hoping that he would shoot the spot shot ...frozen to the bottom rail.:eek: If he doesn't you won't be in trouble and possibly may have some type of a bank to win with, plus the 6 ball will still be in a favorable position.:cool:

Bill, were I player B, my reply to your shot pocketing the 8 and leaving the cb on the head rail (I assume by "bottom rail" you mean head rail) would be this. Have I not reversed my fortune greatly and put player A now on defense with 2 balls that go to my hole?

Skin

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[wincardona]

Bill, were I player B, my reply to your shot pocketing the 8 and leaving the cb on the head rail (I assume by "bottom rail" you mean head rail) would be this. Have I not reversed my fortune greatly and put player A now on defense with 2 balls that go to my hole?

Skin

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It would take a perfect hit to accomplish what you say you would do from there, even if it was available. To many things could go wrong with that option, kiss, scratch, or selling out one of the two balls. :eek: Try it.

I don't think your opponent would be shooting off the 6 ball from that position.

[Skin]

It would take a perfect hit to accomplish what you say you would do from there, even if it was available. To many things could go wrong with that option, kiss, scratch, or selling out one of the two balls. :eek: Try it.

I did before I posted! :) I set them up on my table and that was the result on the first shot. The angle is there for it. I even considered it when I decided to bunt and leave the cb on the opposite rail during the game with the 8 in position to bank into my hole. I do leave player A a possible 2-railer on the 8 though, but not an easy one. ;)

Skin

[wincardona]

I did before I posted! :) I set up up on my table and that was the result on the first shot. The angle is there for it. I even considered it when I decided to bunt and leave the cb on the opposite rail during the game with the 8 in position to bank into my hole.

Skin
The wei table has fooled me once again, that option didn't seem to be available from the position that I see. If your anywhere near straight in on the 6 ball you must contact the 6 slightly on the right side to stay away from the scratch and two rail it out of that position. Too difficult a shot for anyone.

[Skin]

The wei table has fooled me once again, that option didn't seem to be available from the position that I see. If your anywhere near straight in on the 6 ball you must contact the 6 slightly on the right side to stay away from the scratch and two rail it out of that position. Too difficult a shot for anyone.

Well, WEI drawing - which I never get right -has got to me again! :eek: The cb path is straight down to the foot rail and back off (not off the long rail), but the end position of both balls was correct in the drawing. Real tables are so much better for discussing shots.

Anyway, thanks for your replies. I always respect what you have to say.

Skin

[One pocket Smitty]

I have read al the post. Some are valid shots and of course we have some that are so far out in left field that they are behind home plate.I tend to agree with everyone on leaving the 6 alone, it does limit where player B can leave the cb. I don't think I, myself, would try the 2 rail bank- kick shot. From everyones drawing on the WEI I'm not to sure that the cb might scratch in the side or at least find it out in the middle of the table. I don't like that if I miss the shot. I think I might just roll up to the 8 , not make it you understand, just up to it. Then make player B have to come up with a shot. He can't make the 8 because he will leave me on the 6. Someone else suggested this also and it sounds good to me.--Smitty

[gulfportdoc]

As long as the 6 ball is in the position that it's in now your opponent cannot win from there. Plus you will cut off a portion of the table where he can't afford to leave you, in fear of leaving a shot on the 6 ball. Bottom line, as long as the 6 ball remains in the position that's it's in your opponent must make his two balls one at a time. That alone puts more pressure on him.

By pocketing the 8 ball and leaving the cue ball frozen to the bottom rail you are tempting your opponent to shoot a difficult shot that he cannot win with but can lose with.:) This will also put more pressure on him, which should make you feel good.;) Matter of fact I would be hoping that he would shoot the spot shot ...frozen to the bottom rail.:eek: If he doesn't you won't be in trouble and possibly may have some type of a bank to win with, plus the 6 ball will still be in a favorable position.:cool:
I'm not sure why you'd want to force B to shoot a makeable shot to his hole. If he makes it, there might even be a 2-railer available with the 6 ball. The only way B gets into trouble shooting the spot shot is if he misses it short, and leaves a bank.

I understand the concept of leaving a ball out of play which the opponent needs . Other than that, in this case, the 6 ball is not really in a "favorable" position for "A", since it only could be pocketed without scratching if the cueball were either on, or very near, the rail on the head end of the table.

Rather than pocketing the 8 ball, it might be more effective to leave it near the pocket where it lays, and let HIM shoot it in the hole.

The circus kick 2-railer on the 8 would be a fun shot, but only in practice. It's too reckless in a serious game.

Doc

[newfosgatesucks]

The VERY first thing that comes to my mind here. I won't elaborate.

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[Skin]

The VERY first thing that comes to my mind here. I won't elaborate.

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[beatle]

actually guys and gals. the two rail kick is quite easy to do with no sellout at all ever. this is because it is close to the rail and can be hit accurately and easy to hold the cue ball right there. it is the shot i would shoot everytime if i was the one that needed two balls here.or if my opponent was a better player than me by a decent margin.

if i was better than my opponent by a large margin and he wasnt a top notch ball pocketer i would do what billy suggested in a heartbeat. most that would shoot for it will sellout the majority of times. i originally didnt consider it as i thought it could be suicide for me if he made the spot shot and hit the six ball out or in the hole with the cue ball. but i went and shot it and couldnt make the spot shot from back on the rail and get to the six so i was wrong about that and puts that shot on the table high on the list.
plus one for billy here.

i do not like leaving the eight ball down there with the cue ball close to it as it makes it very simple for him to leave you in a lousy spot.
i do like hitting the eight ball over near the back hole on his side by kicking it and leaving him four feet away from the cue ball. this shot will be tough to make any offensive play with and will probably give me the first chance at putting it near my hole or in it.

[wincardona]

I'm not sure why you'd want to force B to shoot a makeable shot to his hole. If he makes it, there might even be a 2-railer available with the 6 ball. The only way B gets into trouble shooting the spot shot is if he misses it short, and leaves a bank.

I understand the concept of leaving a ball out of play which the opponent needs . Other than that, in this case, the 6 ball is not really in a "favorable" position for "A", since it only could be pocketed without scratching if the cueball were either on, or very near, the rail on the head end of the table.

Rather than pocketing the 8 ball, it might be more effective to leave it near the pocket where it lays, and let HIM shoot it in the hole.

The circus kick 2-railer on the 8 would be a fun shot, but only in practice. It's too reckless in a serious game.

Doc
I'm starting to think Freddie is right when he says that nobody from the east knows how to move playing one pocket. And to make it worse you're from Pittsburgh.:eek: :eek:

[wincardona]

I'm not sure why you'd want to force B to shoot a makeable shot to his hole. If he makes it, there might even be a 2-railer available with the 6 ball. The only way B gets into trouble shooting the spot shot is if he misses it short, and leaves a bank.

I understand the concept of leaving a ball out of play which the opponent needs . Other than that, in this case, the 6 ball is not really in a "favorable" position for "A", since it only could be pocketed without scratching if the cueball were either on, or very near, the rail on the head end of the table.

Rather than pocketing the 8 ball, it might be more effective to leave it near the pocket where it lays, and let HIM shoot it in the hole.

The circus kick 2-railer on the 8 would be a fun shot, but only in practice. It's too reckless in a serious game.

Doc
Doc, i'm leaving the cue ball frozen to the head rail for a reason, and that is to tempt my opponent to shoot the spot shot. I actually want him to shoot from this position, even if his name was Reyes. Secondly the two railer on the 6 ball is clearly not on, it will come short EVERY time. Thirdly the 6 ball definetly favors player A why would you want to move it?

If neither player was allowed to move the 6 ball, who do you think would get the first good shot on it ? Obviously player A.

[fred bentivegna]

Doc, i'm leaving the cue ball frozen to the head rail for a reason, and that is to tempt my opponent to shoot the spot shot. I actually want him to shoot from this position, even if his name was Reyes. Secondly the two railer on the 6 ball is clearly not on, it will come short EVERY time. Thirdly the 6 ball definetly favors player A why would you want to move it?

If neither player was allowed to move the 6 ball, who do you think would get the first good shot on it ? Obviously player A.


I once argued with Incardona about how strong having a ball in front of the side pocket on your side of the table was. Upon reflection he has apparently come over to my side, although I'm sure by now he has destroyed all the accu-stats tapes that the discussion took place on.

The diagram shows how strong the position is. There are few places where the opponent will be able to do anything with the 6 ball, but if you utilize a rail first hit, as displayed, you have a much larger area to score the ball other than the dead straight in position that most people think you need to make the ball.

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the Beard
With a shout out thanx to Bunny Rogoff for showing me that shot in the 60s.

[lll]

I understand the concept of leaving a ball out of play which the opponent needs . Other than that, in this case, the 6 ball is not really in a "favorable" position for "A", since it only could be pocketed without scratching if the cueball were either on, or very near, the rail on the head end of the table.


Doc
i think the 6 is in a favorable position for A is because B needs it and its not in an easily makeable spot for him and eliminates the portion of the table to leave the Q where it is makeable for A. so as they fight for the 8 ball B has more to think about. imho

[jay helfert]

Another situation in which I was stumped. I have pocket A and needed one...and a shot.

Skin

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Thank God someone actually came up with a shot that requires a little thought. I'm seeing too many threads here that are ABC One Pocket shots, that are really for beginners.

[lll]

Thank God someone actually came up with a shot that requires a little thought. I'm seeing too many threads here that are ABC One Pocket shots, that are really for beginners.
jay if you are unhappy with the quality of shot presentations maybe you could post some yourself. this way it would teach us what you consider challenging:rolleyes:
also responding to threads in a more timely manner rather than after the thread has gone cold would probably be more instructive . at least in my humble opinion

[lll]

would like a reply:) :D :eek: :rolleyes: see above^^^^^

[jay helfert]

jay if you are unhappy with the quality of shot presentations maybe you could post some yourself. this way it would teach us what you consider challenging:rolleyes:
also responding to threads in a more timely manner rather than after the thread has gone cold would probably be more instructive . at least in my humble opinion


I'm not unhappy with anything. Every day above ground is a gift! I did respond in a timely manner, right after Freddie, Doc and Billy. Like Billy I'm not good with the Wei table, but I have posted on many threads here.

I'll try to do better in the future to meet your approval. :cool: