The Hit And 4 Picks

[lll]

from another thread george wrote
Byrd and Scott went at it again $700.00 a game.....Byrd got the break and pick of 4 balls and then both went to 8 balls....
ive never played hit and a pick but im told thats a big spot.
but clearing 4 balls to me gives scott the advantage since it will be harder to cluster the balls making it easier for scott to run 8
those that understand this spot would you explain the angles from both the player getting the spot (what balls do you remove?) and the one giving the spot
also is there a ball score equivalent to this??
thanks guys

[gbru]

from another thread george wrote
Byrd and Scott went at it again $700.00 a game.....Byrd got the break and pick of 4 balls and then both went to 8 balls....
ive never played hit and a pick but im told thats a big spot.
but clearing 4 balls to me gives scott the advantage since it will be harder to cluster the balls making it easier for scott to run 8
those that understand this spot would you explain the angles from both the player getting the spot (what balls do you remove?) and the one giving the spot
also is there a ball score equivalent to this??
thanks guys


That's the way Scott must have seen it Larry because Byrd wanted a bigger spot than the 9-4 game he had gotten the night before.....

After much back and forth Ricky came up with the "break and pick 4" and right away Scott says..."You Got It!"

[twister]

Yeah, I'd say if your opponent agrees to the spot immediately, you're probably in trouble. How did Scott end up doing against Ricky?

EDIT - Oops, just saw the result in a thread below. Scott was up 2 games when they agreed to quit. Anyone who watched much of the match care to comment on the locations of the 4 balls Ricky was pulling off the table each game?

[Fast Lenny]

Scott was actually up 4 games at $700 a game and they agreed to $1000 a game so the coin went to 3 but Scott finished up 2 games at $1000 each, really he won 3 games. I am sure they will play again today, its good action. :)

[androd]

There is a lot of sophistacation in which balls to pick, naturally some people understand the theory much better than others. ;) my guess is that 9/4 and rotate the break would be a better game for Scott. A lot of the balls picked are sometimes easy escape routes from the break.
Rod.

[wincardona]

There is a lot of sophistacation in which balls to pick, naturally some people understand the theory much better than others. ;) my guess is that 9/4 and rotate the break would be a better game for Scott. A lot of the balls picked are sometimes easy escape routes from the break.
Rod.

Rod, the first match was 9 to 4 AND the break, which Scott won 7 games with. Now their playing 8 to 4 the break and Ricky picks the 4 balls after the break, WOW. This game IMO is a much better game for Ricky. As you mentioned he has the luxory of picking escape balls Scott may have after the break, also it takes away any dead balls Scott would have after the break, and by eliminating 4 balls his (Ricky's) job of protecting his lead will be an easier task, and finally Scott will have a more difficult time running 8's because there will be less balls on the table. Especially if Ricky has 6 or 7 balls.:eek: I feel that Ricky will end up on the plus side with this game, if they play long enough. But Scott has fooled me before.

[SJDinPHX]

Rod, the first match was 9 to 4 AND the break, which Scott won 7 games with. Now their playing 8 to 4 the break and Ricky picks the 4 balls after the break, WOW. This game IMO is a much better game for Ricky. As you mentioned he has the luxory of picking escape balls Scott may have after the break, also it takes away any dead balls Scott would have after the break, and by eliminating 4 balls his (Ricky's) job of protecting his lead will be an easier task, and finally Scott will have a more difficult time running 8's because there will be less balls on the table. Especially if Ricky has 6 or 7 balls.:eek: I feel that Ricky will end up on the plus side with this game, if they play long enough. But Scott has fooled me before.

If Ricky Byrd can't win at that game, he needs to seriously re-evaluate his one pocket future..:eek: If I could get THAT game from Scott, (or anyone).. it just might bring me out of my "self-imposed, semi-retirement"...AGAIN !!!..;)

"Ya try ta get out, n' dey jus' keep pullin' ya back in"...(Soprano's)

PS..High $$$$ Stakehorse preffered...No experience necessary !!!.:cool:

[lll]

"Ya try ta get out, n' dey jus' keep pullin' ya back in"...(Soprano'
that was the godfather not the sopranos but close but no cigar

[lll]

Rod, the first match was 9 to 4 AND the break, which Scott won 7 games with. Now their playing 8 to 4 the break and Ricky picks the 4 balls after the break, WOW. This game IMO is a much better game for Ricky. As you mentioned he has the luxory of picking escape balls Scott may have after the break, also it takes away any dead balls Scott would have after the break, and by eliminating 4 balls his (Ricky's) job of protecting his lead will be an easier task, and finally Scott will have a more difficult time running 8's because there will be less balls on the table. Especially if Ricky has 6 or 7 balls.:eek: I feel that Ricky will end up on the plus side with this game, if they play long enough. But Scott has fooled me before.
why is it better for ricky. billy please respond. as i said i would think i gives scott more room to run out . what dont i see???

[gulfportdoc]

Yeah, 8-8 with hit & 4 picks is an enormous spot. It similar to 8-4 and the breaks (although "the picks" are a big added advantage).

According to the handicap scale, 8-4 is comparable to 10-5. With the break, it might add at least a ball advantage to the lesser player. Then "the pick" would undoubtedly add even more benefit to the lesser player.

I'm surprised Ricky didn't just ask for 11-4, or 11-4 with the breaks. That was a tough game for Scott against Ronn. But I wouldn't know if Ronn and Ricky compare.

The problem is of course that with Frost needing only 8 balls, he has a good chance of running out every time he makes a ball. At least with him going to 11, it makes it a little harder.

Nevertheless Ricky seemed like he was doing better at 1K per game. It might be that if Scott was betting his own, 1K/game might be a little beyond his comfort zone.

Doc

[wincardona]

why is it better for ricky. billy please respond. as i said i would think i gives scott more room to run out . what dont i see???
My reasoning is in my post.

I feel that with less balls on the table Scott will not run as many 8's. And if Ricky happens to pocket the first ball or two, Scott will really have problems.

But then again that's my opinion, which is debateable.

[Skin]

Maybe a silly question...but doesn't the guy getting the picks pretty much also have to get the break? I mean, you don't want him picking up balls and then shooting off your break, do you? Even if you do something funky like the side rail break or a 14.1 break, he is liable to be able to pick up balls to give himself a shot. That means to me that getting the break when you get the picks is pretty much neutral as far the spot is concerned.

Skin

[androd]

Maybe a silly question...but doesn't the guy getting the picks pretty much also have to get the break? I mean, you don't want him picking up balls and then shooting off your break, do you? Even if you do something funky like the side rail break or a 14.1 break, he is liable to be able to pick up balls to give himself a shot. That means to me that getting the break when you get the picks is pretty much neutral as far the spot is concerned.

Skin

Yes I think they almost always go together. I'm not sure what you mean by neutral. It's certainly worth a lot as you can hit'em a little harder and not worry about the corner ball coming out in front of his pocket. This makes it easier to get the CB on the rail near the 2nd diamond. (I don't try to do this because of the corner ball.)
Rod. < maybe I misunderstood neutral ?

[Cowboy Dennis]

Maybe a silly question...but doesn't the guy getting the picks pretty much also have to get the break? I mean, you don't want him picking up balls and then shooting off your break, do you? Even if you do something funky like the side rail break or a 14.1 break, he is liable to be able to pick up balls to give himself a shot. That means to me that getting the break when you get the picks is pretty much neutral as far the spot is concerned.

Skin


The break is still an advantage for either player that gets it. If the player giving up the weight broke he could break off of the last two balls and send the cueball uptable. However he would probably sell out a long shot to the weak players pocket, but it might be worth the risk if the cueball gets far enough uptable.

[Skin]

Yes I think they almost always go together. I'm not sure what you mean by neutral. It's certainly worth a lot as you can hit'em a little harder and not worry about the corner ball coming out in front of his pocket. This makes it easier to get the CB on the rail near the 2nd diamond. (I don't try to do this because of the corner ball.)
Rod. < maybe I misunderstood neutral ?

What I meant was that you may be no worse off with the guy who's getting the picks also getting the breaks considering what he might be able to do off your break after picking up if you alternate. I could be wrong, of course. It wouldn't be the first time! :)


Skin