View Full Version : A One Pocket to 9 Ball Comparison
One Pocket Ghost
08-19-2005, 11:08 AM
I wrote/posted this on onepocket.org 4-5 years ago....most of you weren't on here back then and never saw/read it.....Matt's recent thread/question about why you do you love One Pocket made me remember it, and since it's related, I thought I'd post it up again....here it is >>>
" Here's what I've always thought is an interesting, never mentioned aspect of One Pocket playing mentality, that for me is a huge part of it's appeal in being the best and most interesting pool game, ( and I think this is probably also the case for most one pocket players )....and this 'One Pocket-pool-players-personality-trait' that I describe, is the opposite of a 9 ball players mindset....
In 9 ball, you never, ever, have any choice in which ball you shoot at - the lowest number ball that's on the table is what you HAVE to shoot at - you don't get any choice in the matter - for me, for that reason, 9 ball has always been way too dictated, restrictive, repetitive and thus, boring....it's the same-old, same-old, rack after rack.....I think of 9 ball as the pool game equivalent of working on the production line in a factory, or being a filing clerk, or at best, an accountant....
Whereas One Pocket appeals to the pool player-personality types who are intelligent free thinkers, who are adventurous, who are strategic thinkers, and who like to think for themselves and don't like being told what to do......One Pocket's work world equivalent might be, among other things, to be an artist, a scientist, an NFL offensive coordinator, a musician, or a world explorer......And when you play the ABSOLUTE BEST pool game in the universe >>> ONE POCKET <<< , you get to do whatever you want...rack your brain, use your imagination, shoot at any ball that you want, kick a ball 3 rails, carom two balls cross-corner, create a masterpiece, run out, or don't even hit a rail and scratch if you want to! - and in so doing all of this, One Pocket players are exercising that good old...*AMERICAN FREEDOM OF CHOICE*.
And so in closing, I guess we could say here on onepocket.org, that since there's so little freedom of choice in 9 ball....9 ball is, THE COMMUNIST POOL GAME !......:eek:.....:D
- Ghost <<<----------- Hopes there's no insulted 9ball players lurking around here.....
gulfportdoc
08-19-2005, 07:54 PM
9 ball is the pool game equivalent of working on the production line in a factory -
An excellent post, OPG! I think you're correct that 1P appeals to those of us who are freedom-loving. Liberty comes in many forms. As you say, in 9-ball there is always only one shot, with a few variations. In one-hole there are many shots with many different variations in any given inning, which makes 1P exponentially more unconstrained. Maybe that's why 9-ballers don't ever want to try other games. They've got their assembly line routine down so well that they'd be lost without the discipline.
Perhaps they'll unionize. "Power to the 9-ballers!" "Assembly line workers unite!" "Lay down your pitchforks and pick up your break cues and jump cues!" "Yellow and white is mellow and right!" :D
Doc
I wrote/posted this on onepocket.org 5 years ago....most of you weren't on here back then and never saw it.....Matt's thread/question about why you do you love One Pocket made me remember it, since it's related, so I thought I'd post it up again....here it is >>>
" Here's what I've always thought is an interesting, never mentioned aspect of One Pocket mentality, that for me is a huge part
of it's appeal in being the best and most interesting pool game, ( and I think this is probably also the case for most one pocket players )....and this 'One Pocket-pool-players-personality-trait' that I describe, is the opposite of a 9 ball players mindset....
In 9 ball, you never, ever, have any choice in which ball you shoot at - the lowest number ball that's on the table is what you HAVE to shoot at - you don't get any choice in the matter - for me, for that reason, 9 ball has always been way too dictated, restrictive, repetitive and thus, boring....it's the same-old, same-old, rack after rack.....I think of 9 ball as the pool game equivalent of working on the production line in a factory, or being a filing clerk, or at best, an accountant.....
Whereas One Pocket appeals to the pool player-personality types who are intelligent free thinkers, who are adventurous, who are strategic thinkers, and who like to think for themselves and don't like being told what to do......One Pocket's work world equivalent might be, among other things, to be an artist, a scientist, an NFL offensive coordinator, a musician, or a world explorer......And when you play the ABSOLUTE BEST pool game in the universe >>> ONE POCKET <<< , you get to do whatever you want...rack your brain, use your imagination, shoot at any ball that you want, kick a ball 3 rails, carom two balls cross-corner, create a masterpiece, run out, or don't even hit a rail and scratch if you want to! - and in so doing all of this, One Pocket players are exercising that good old...*AMERICAN FREEDOM OF CHOICE*.
And so in closing, I guess we could say here on onepocket.org, that since there's so little freedom of choice in 9 ball....9 ball is, THE COMMUNIST POOL GAME !......:eek:.....:D
- Ghost <<<----------- Hopes there's no insulted 9ball players lurking around here "
here we get to see the mind of the ghost .ressurrected for 1p players only
Cowboy Dennis
08-06-2009, 06:26 PM
here we get to see the mind of the ghost .ressurrected for 1p players only
A Ghost's mind is a terrible thing to waste... on a bank shot.
One Pocket Ghost
08-06-2009, 06:58 PM
And check out Doc's reply....He loved this post of mine, with it's socio-political/libertarian-one pocket players slant...;)....it got his political juices all fired up and so he's calling all of the 9ball players socialists....:D:D....
POWER TO THE ONE POCKET PLAYERS !
- Freeman Ghost
Why am I thinking a debate over spot shots is about to erupt again?
No need to bring politics / social systems / nor philosophy into this. Psychology probably will do just fine. 9 ball and one-pocket are the two great pathological pool games. 9 ball appeals to sociopaths and one pocket to psychopaths. Schizophrenics like both.
The Texas analogy would be: 9 ballers are gunslingers, one-pocketeers are guerrilla fighters. The gunslingers always get the girl...if they live. The guerrilla fighters never do...regardless. ;)
Skin
One Pocket Ghost
08-06-2009, 09:07 PM
No need to bring politics / social systems / nor philosophy into this. Psychology probably will do just fine. 9 ball and one-pocket are the two great pathological pool games. 9 ball appeals to sociopaths and one pocket to psychopaths. Schizophrenics like both.
The Texas analogy is: 9 ballers are guinslingers, one-pocketeers are guerilla fighters. The gunslingers always get the girl...if they live. The guerilla fighters never do...regardless. ;)
Skin
Skin.......You sure stick up a lot for 9ball players and shooting straight in shots....you sure you're not hanging on the wrong site? -might-could be, you should be hanging out over at azbilliards.....:rolleyes:....:cool:
- The Ghost (of Patrick Henry)....
Give Me One Pocket Or Give Me Death
One Pocket Ghost
08-07-2009, 12:45 AM
Ghost, girls like games that make them wet. 9 ball is better than 1p for that to them. 8 ball is the best of them all, btw. Just a tip if you want to parlay your winnings into a better night's sleep. Skin
Skin.......Hate to say it, but if one were to meld together Papie's popgun-strength posts to me, with KindlyOldUncleDave's inscrutable posts....the result would be, very much like your recent replies to my posts....:rolleyes:....:)....:cool:
- Ghost
fred bentivegna
08-07-2009, 07:44 AM
My original line, and it has been plaguerized by many pool players, was:
"If I was going into combat and was going to storm the beach, I would want to be with a 9ball player, but if I was going to operate like a guerilla behind the lines blowing up installations, I'd want to be with a One pocket player."
the Beard
gulfportdoc
08-07-2009, 09:04 AM
My original line, and it has been plaguerized by many pool players, was:
"If I was going into combat and was going to storm the beach, I would want to be with a 9ball player, but if I was going to operate like a guerilla behind the lines blowing up installations, I'd want to be with a One pocket player.
Plagiarized by many...?:confused: I've never seen the comment before.:D But I whole-heartily agree with your comparison!
Doc
Cowboy Dennis
08-07-2009, 12:51 PM
plaguerized
the Beard
Now who was it only 21 short days ago that was teasing SJD about misspelling this word?
Skin.......You sure stick up a lot for 9ball players and shooting straight in shots....you sure you're not hanging on the wrong site? -might-could be, you should be hanging out over at azbilliards.....:rolleyes:....:cool:
- The Ghost (of Patrick Henry)....
Give Me One Pocket Or Give Me Death
Yeah, that was pretty weak. That's why I deleted it last night, but apparently you were quoting while I was deleting. Anyway, the point was to expand the horizon on this comparison thing. In the very important context of who scores best with the gals, 8 ball players have 9 ballers beat, and compard to both of them 1p players are celibates.
Hey, I don't make the facts. I just report them. :rolleyes:
Skin
Artie Bodendorfer
08-07-2009, 12:55 PM
Now who was it only 21 short days ago that was teasing SJD about misspelling this word? Spelling is for suckers.
My original line, and it has been plaguerized by many pool players, was:
"If I was going into combat and was going to storm the beach, I would want to be with a 9ball player, but if I was going to operate like a guerilla behind the lines blowing up installations, I'd want to be with a One pocket player."
the Beard
I agree with Doc. You have to have read something first in order to plagiarize it. But I do like that fact that you pretty much agree with me. ;)
Skin
fred bentivegna
08-07-2009, 01:13 PM
Now who was it only 21 short days ago that was teasing SJD about misspelling this word?
Just wanted to see if anybody was on their toes.
the Beard
Actually, I forgot how to spell it and was too lazy to use spell check. I forget many things nowadays.
Cowboy Dennis
08-07-2009, 01:25 PM
Spelling is for suckers.
So are $500 dollar an hour one-pocket lessons. Anybody with that much money to waste can get a close game from a good player for $25 a game and play till he's 20 games stuck. He'll get more info than you'll give him, play for much longer than an hour, probably have fun doing it, and actually have a (small) chance of winning.
Dennis
Yeah, that was pretty weak. That's why I deleted it last night, but apparently you were quoting while I was deleting. Anyway, the point was to expand the horizon on this comparison thing. In the very important context of who scores best with the gals, 8 ball players have 9 ballers beat, and compard to both of them 1p players are celibates.
Hey, I don't make the facts. I just report them. :rolleyes:
Skin
i would think 1p players (especially from chicago) would get all the gals since they know all the moves.:rolleyes:
Artie Bodendorfer
08-07-2009, 02:56 PM
So are $500 dollar an hour one-pocket lessons. Anybody with that much money to waste can get a close game from a good player for $25 a game and play till he's 20 games stuck. He'll get more info than you'll give him, play for much longer than an hour, probably have fun doing it, and actually have a (small) chance of winning.
Dennis He will learn more in that one houer then he will learn playin 25 dollaers a game for the rest of his life. WE are talking about learning and learning what to do and Why you are doing it not just playing to win a few dollaers. LEarnig and playing are all togeather a sifferent story. And I put it up because I new nobody would take me up on it. And that proves that people just want to stay with thier old game and cofort zone. You cannot get what I will give him or her in a lession no were in the world. And if you think that the money means more then you improving your game by 20% or 30% then play your 25 dollaers a game and stay werte you are. It does not mean anything to me because I dont care if someone takes a lession or not. And By not taking a chance at a lession from the smardest one pocket player in the world. If you dont think its worth it then go and take a 50 or a 100 dollaer lession. How much is it worth for someone to improve your game by 20% or 30%. Do you know anybody that could improve a champions game by 10% to 20% ? You are getting something thats rair and no one else can give it to you. Because they dont know. If I was a player wanting to learn. I would take the lession If its on the square. ITs the greatest offer ever in life for pool. And I am not talking about you having fun and enjoymeant. I am talking about you learning and making you a smarter and better player. I dont see no one else doing that. Just giving lessions on things that most of the good players can tell you. I am talking about making you a great player. If you have the tools and ability. And I will give you the knowledge you need to take your game to that level. This ie about you and your game. You dont know because you dont have a clue what he will learn. And his whole attitude will change with his learning. BUt I am not going any farther wright know. And if nobody takes the lession its thier loss. And you have to make that decision yourself. And not listen to all these other people who are not qualified and dont know. And talk like the think they know. Your wright you just made me awaare that 500hundred dollaers is to cheap. So for the knocker and none belivers I am making it one thousand dollaers a houer. And if anyone thinks it is worth it and step up. And dont worry about what all the knocker and other people are saying then go ahead and take the lession. And you will be more then satisfied. But only you can make that happen. And belive me I will not loose no sleep over it. Because you are the one getting the good deal. And you will have the answers to becoming a great player. Or spend the next 20 years not knoweing what you can learn in a few days or you might never know. But if you waite to long I mite not do it for 5 thousand dollaers an houer. I have time know for a while but that time will run outtoo. And when its to late you might tell yourself I wish I would have taken that lession. Its about you not about all these other people and what they say. Because they dont know like everyone else that doesnt know. How much is 20% or 30% worth in money improving your game. Do the math and you will come up with the correct answer . Make it your answer not what someone else says or wants you to do or think.
Artie Bodendorfer
08-07-2009, 03:03 PM
So are $500 dollar an hour one-pocket lessons. Anybody with that much money to waste can get a close game from a good player for $25 a game and play till he's 20 games stuck. He'll get more info than you'll give him, play for much longer than an hour, probably have fun doing it, and actually have a (small) chance of winning.
Dennis I always liked knockers and blockers. And the waiste is not learning or going through your whole life not knoweing. I have learned one thing about knockers they are very insecure people and they are specialist at minding other peoples buissness. It must be because they are one ove those 25 dollaer players that never learned anything.
Cowboy Dennis
08-07-2009, 03:32 PM
It must be because they are one ove those 25 dollaer players that never learned anything.
A perfect description of me, after all of these years. By the way Artie, SJD ain't the only one on this site who gambles. If you ever want to take a nice vacation to Michigan this winter, we can play some for $10,000 also. And I won't need any backers nor would I allow them. I back up everything I write or say with my own cash. I'll show you how I gamble for big money.
By the way Artie, when you advertise $500 per hour lessons on a public forum, it's not knocking when people comment on it.
Dennis
Artie Bodendorfer
08-07-2009, 05:36 PM
A perfect description of me, after all of these years. By the way Artie, SJD ain't the only one on this site who gambles. If you ever want to take a nice vacation to Michigan this winter, we can play some for $10,000 also. And I won't need any backers nor would I allow them. I back up everything I write or say with my own cash. I'll show you how I gamble for big money.
By the way Artie, when you advertise $500 per hour lessons on a public forum, it's not knocking when people comment on it.
Dennis Read what you wrote and then tell me that. I will find out what speed you play and if our game is close I will play you 6 ahead for ten thousand dollaers. I want us to have a fair game for both ove us. But I like the part were you will bet.
One Pocket Ghost
08-07-2009, 05:50 PM
Anyway, the point was to expand the horizon on this comparison thing. In the very important context of who scores best with the gals, 8 ball players have 9 ballers beat, and compard to both of them 1p players are celibates.
Hey, I don't make the facts. I just report them. Skin
i would think 1p players (especially from chicago)
would get all the gals since they know all the moves.
Larry......You told Skin exactly right...One Pocket players outmove 9ball players 10-1 with the ladies, just like with pool....AND....
When the 9ball player takes the lady back to his house - it's a quick "slambang thank you maam"....:rolleyes:..:p....
But when the lady is at the One Pocket players house - it's hours of accomplished, exotic moves....;)....:cool:
- Ghost <--------speaks from experience
Larry......You told Skin exactly right One Pocket players outmove 9ball players 10-1 with the ladies, just like with pool....AND....
When the 9ball player takes the lady back to his house - it's a quick "slambang thank you maam"....:rolleyes:..:p....
But when the lady is at the One Pocket players house - it's hours of accomplished, exotic moves....;)....:cool:
- Ghost <--------speaks from experience
thats been how it has been for me:p
the karma sutra is a great book. skin have you read it??
One Pocket Ghost
08-07-2009, 08:20 PM
the karma sutra is a great book. skin have you read it??
No Larry, he didn't....He read Earl Strickland and Larry Flynt's autobiographies instead....:p....:D
- Ghost
the karma sutra is a great book. skin have you read it??
No. I saw a copy once somewhere. I didn't know it had words in it. :rolleyes:
Skin
No Larry, he didn't....He read Earl Strickland and Larry Flynt's autobiographies instead....:p....:D
- Ghost
Earl's book could give Flynt's the 5 and out.
Skin
Cowboy Dennis
08-08-2009, 02:39 PM
Read what you wrote and then tell me that. I will find out what speed you play and if our game is close I will play you 6 ahead for ten thousand dollaers. I want us to have a fair game for both ove us. But I like the part were you will bet.
Artie,
First of all, to respond to the above quote. If you had put your "want ad" for pool lessons in the "classified" section nobody would have commented on it. When you advertise something for sale that's where it goes. I can't imagine anybody responding to a classified ad, at least not in the classified section.
Next, concerning your response to my asking you to play. You quoted me saying I'll play this winter and then in another thread you say you won't play in winter because of health reasons I think. Your health is more important than a pool game. That's o.k., I'm not making fun of it, but there is no need to draw this out further if you can't play in the winter.
Third and last point: You say you aren't waiting till New Years to play. My vacation time is all used up this year (at work). I have next week off and plans for it, and I have Christmas off but that's in the winter. After New Years is all I could do either way.
Let's not drag this out at all. I am not a woofer, I am a player. Maybe we will get a chance next year if it comes up again.
As far as getting a line on my speed, I have not been in a serious "gambling" poolroom in over 5 years. Anyone who tells you my speed is either a liar or an idiot. My best friends don't know my speed because they go to different rooms. Nobody on this planet has seen me play in 5 years. Nobody from the "pool" world anyway.
All said, thanks for the offer to come here to play. I had no doubt that you would. But if our only option is to play "right now", then we won't be playing. I guess we'll disappoint our fans but I'm not an entertainer anyway.
P.S. This topic did not need it's own thread. It's not that important.
P.S.S. Dick, I don't think you broke it so don't sweat it.
Dennis
Cowboy Dennis
08-10-2009, 07:12 AM
Artie,
First of all, to respond to the above quote. If you had put your "want ad" for pool lessons in the "classified" section nobody would have commented on it. When you advertise something for sale that's where it goes. I can't imagine anybody responding to a classified ad, at least not in the classified section.
Next, concerning your response to my asking you to play. You quoted me saying I'll play this winter and then in another thread you say you won't play in winter because of health reasons I think. Your health is more important than a pool game. That's o.k., I'm not making fun of it, but there is no need to draw this out further if you can't play in the winter.
Third and last point: You say you aren't waiting till New Years to play. My vacation time is all used up this year (at work). I have next week off and plans for it, and I have Christmas off but that's in the winter. After New Years is all I could do either way.
Let's not drag this out at all. I am not a woofer, I am a player. Maybe we will get a chance next year if it comes up again.
As far as getting a line on my speed, I have not been in a serious "gambling" poolroom in over 5 years. Anyone who tells you my speed is either a liar or an idiot. My best friends don't know my speed because they go to different rooms. Nobody on this planet has seen me play in 5 years. Nobody from the "pool" world anyway.
All said, thanks for the offer to come here to play. I had no doubt that you would. But if our only option is to play "right now", then we won't be playing. I guess we'll disappoint our fans but I'm not an entertainer anyway.
P.S. This topic did not need it's own thread. It's not that important.
P.S.S. Dick, I don't think you broke it so don't sweat it.
Dennis
Will someone please tell me if they can see the above quoted post. I get the feeling that I am posting in a vacuum.
ARTIE, I CANNOT PLAY THIS YEAR. I'm not playing "thread tag" with you and responding in any other threads except this one. I don't intend to discuss it with you any more. I made my offer and you said you want to play very soon and not in winter. I CANNOT PLAY THIS YEAR. I OFFERED TO PLAY IN WINTER.
I made it clear in the above post that I'm done considering it, then you wait 24 hours and challenge me to play and back up what I wrote. Go jerk somebody else off. I don't have patience for that crap that you play.
Dennis
Artie Bodendorfer
08-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Will someone please tell me if they can see the above quoted post. I get the feeling that I am posting in a vacuum.
ARTIE, I CANNOT PLAY THIS YEAR. I'm not playing "thread tag" with you and responding in any other threads except this one. I don't intend to discuss it with you any more. I made my offer and you said you want to play very soon and not in winter. I CANNOT PLAY THIS YEAR. I OFFERED TO PLAY IN WINTER.
I made it clear in the above post that I'm done considering it, then you wait 24 hours and challenge me to play and back up what I wrote. Go jerk somebody else off. I don't have patience for that crap that you play.
Dennis WE will play in the winter or after New years just let me know who to post up two thousand dollaers forfite money. Give the time and place in the winter time or after new years we will put up forfite money so we know its not bullshit. And if someone doesnt play on that sate they loose the forfit money. I will play no matter what. You steped up like a player and challanged me now we will see if you will stand up like a player and play. Give me the time and date and were we will play. And we will put up forefite money. You got action. Just give me a exact date. And we will post and play on that date.
Cowboy Dennis
08-11-2009, 10:03 PM
WE will play in the winter or after New years just let me know who to post up two thousand dollaers forfite money. Give the time and place in the winter time or after new years we will put up forfite money so we know its not bullshit. And if someone doesnt play on that sate they loose the forfit money. I will play no matter what. You steped up like a player and challanged me now we will see if you will stand up like a player and play. Give me the time and date and were we will play. And we will put up forefite money. You got action. Just give me a exact date. And we will post and play on that date.
Re-read the last sentence of my last post that you quoted. My answer is there. This is my last post on the subject.
By the way Artie, now that you see I won't be jerked around by you, you have decided to play after New Years and in the winter. What does that make you? A liar perhaps?
Our potential game is over. I don't want to play you. I'll not mention it again. You aren't worth the irritation, aggravation and bullshit.
You can tell all of your cheerleaders that I backed out. I really don't care.
Dennis
Artie Bodendorfer
08-11-2009, 10:15 PM
Re-read the last sentence of my last post that you quoted. My answer is there. This is my last post on the subject.
By the way Artie, now that you see I won't be jerked around by you, you have decided to play after New Years and in the winter. What does that make you? A liar perhaps?
Our potential game is over. I don't want to play you. I'll not mention it again. You aren't worth the irritation, aggravation and bullshit.
You can tell all of your cheerleaders that I backed out. I really don't care.
Dennis IT makes me want to play. I get turned on by all this excitment. People love to use the word bullshit when the cant find the correct thing to say. And I dont care if you play or not. It will not change my life. And I would like to remind you that it was your idea to play. I didnt bring it up. So the story will end Dennies and Ab Middler will not play. I dont have no cheer leaders. These are all men that are part of this site. And why would you care what someone else thinks or says. I have never meet a person in life that didnt lie. And you saying that you would play me for ten thousand dollaers what does that make you. I wont call you what you called me. But what does that make you.
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