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    Does anyone play full rack banks anymore, or is that game lost to the ages?

    I place full rack banks 2nd only to One Pocket in players strategy! There generally is a lot of safety and strategy play, and you have to know this to be able to play the game correctly.

    I never played half rack banks so really can not comment on it except I believe it would change the game quite a bit.

    I have to wonder when Johnston City added banks to their tournament if they played full rack or half rack!

    I'd pay to see a pay per view of a full rack bank match between a couple of top notch bankers for some serious cash, for it truly is a fascinating game! But, which two players? Whitey
    Last edited by Dennis "Whitey" Young; 04-07-2018, 03:28 PM. Reason: added pay-per-view ?

  • #2
    We still play full rack here on occasion. All i have to do is ask... We also have ring games often.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
      Does anyone play full rack banks anymore, or is that game lost to the ages?

      I place full rack banks 2nd only to One Pocket in players strategy! There generally is a lot of safety and strategy play, and you have to know this to be able to play the game correctly.

      I never played half rack banks so really can not comment on it except I believe it would change the game quite a bit.

      I have to wonder when Johnston City added banks to their tournament if they played full rack or half rack!

      I'd pay to see a pay per view of a full rack bank match between a couple of top notch bankers for some serious cash, for it truly is a fascinating game! But, which two players? Whitey
      The Jansco Brothers never included Banks in their all-arounds. There were a couple/few all-around format tournaments between Johnston City and DCC but pretty much one offs. I believe one used something like a race to 23 balls, that was full rack... not totally sure though. I think that "race to a number of balls) was an RA innovation.
      "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
      -- Strawberry Brooks

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      • #4
        Growing up in the Chicago area, that's the only way I ever learned. Was a game that improved one's roll out game in 9 ball allot.
        Bill Meacham
        WBT
        www.worldbilliardtour.com
        no link....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NH Steve View Post
          The Jansco Brothers never included Banks in their all-arounds. There were a couple/few all-around format tournaments between Johnston City and DCC but pretty much one offs. I believe one used something like a race to 23 balls, that was full rack... not totally sure though. I think that "race to a number of balls) was an RA innovation.
          I had a brain freeze! Jansco, was OP, Straight Pool, and 9-ball. Thanks for the correction!

          Crabtree; it good to hear that full racks are still played.

          Island dr.; in so. cal. late 60's early 70's full racks were only played. And yes I totally agree it definitely helps with your 9-ball push out game, a pre-requisite if you were to become a top notch 9-ball player, for many times a guy pushes out for a bank!

          I pushed out once to the head rail and I had the 8 on center diamond and 9 on 1st diamond on the foot rail. I had to make sure the push was where the 8 ball could not be banked straight back for it was a kiss, so the opponent, Al the owner of Lakewoood Family Billiards, would give me the shot back. I slammed it with high reverse and back bank the 8 and the cue ball hug the foot rail and reversed off the side rail and held up for a straight in on the 9-ball. That's 9- ball back then! Al said; " I would not of given you the shot back if I knew you could hold up the ball like that"! That's shoot out! Whitey

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NH Steve View Post
            The Jansco Brothers never included Banks in their all-around. There were a couple/few all-around format tournaments between Johnston City and DCC but pretty much one-offs. I believe one used something like a race to 23 balls, that was full rack... not totally sure though. I think that "race to a number of balls) was an RA innovation.
            There is a double elimination bank tournament that is hosted at least twice a year by room owner and onepocket.org member John Lavin at the "Red Shoes Billiards" in Alsip (a southwestern suburb of Chicago), Illinois.

            The format is the winner of the flip of a coin breaks a full rack. The entire full rack is played out. The player who made the last ball of the first rack then breaks the second full rack until that rack is played out. In turn, the player who made the last ball of the second rack then breaks the third and final full rack.

            There are a total of 45 balls in the three full racks. The first to legally bank 23 balls wins the match. The scoring is continuous. For example, a player who banked 10 balls to his opponent's 5 balls would need 13 more balls to win the match. The player who needed 13 balls could conceivably win the match in the second rack. In contrast, the player who banked 5 balls in the first rack would need 18 balls to win the match and would need balls from both the second and third racks to win the match.

            Additionally, any fouls occurring in the second and third racks are not taken from the totals of the first rack. Those fouls that do occur in the second and third racks must be paid during the play of those individual racks.

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            • #7
              J.R.-- Sounds like a great format. Do the breakers use a full, smash 'em break, or a safe break?

              ~Doc

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gulfportdoc View Post
                J.R.-- Sounds like a great format. Do the breakers use a full, smash 'em break, or a safe break?

                ~Doc
                Here the young guns hit them hard. The old schoolers play the safe break.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gulfportdoc View Post
                  J.R.-- Sounds like a great format. Do the breakers use a full, smash 'em break, or a safe break?

                  ~Doc
                  The players in the matches to "23" seem to use both a safe break and a smash 'em break.

                  I prefer to use a safe break against the players who think they bank like God (they believe that whatever they shoot at will miraculously go in the pocket). These players will shoot at anything. I will also use a safe break if I am leading in a match against a stronger player or if I am losing to a weaker player.

                  Usually, if two strong players are matched up against each other, it seems that the safe break is utilized exclusively. It's usually the opposite if two weak players are matched up against each other, they seem to always use a smash 'em break.

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                  • #10
                    Full rack bank pool

                    We will be hosting a BANK POOL TOURNAMENT on May 19th, 2018. It is FULL RACK BANK POOL....race to 23 balls (both sides). To answer the OPENING BREAK question.....about 1/2 of the players use the "safety break" (vs an "open break"). A player MUST DECLARE "safe" when breaking though. Otherwise "IF" a ball is pocketed without the declaration the opponent can insist the "breaker" keep shooting.....for additional information CONTACT: John Lavin @ Red Shoes Billiards 12009 S. Pulaski Rd. Alsip, Illinois 60803 (tel. 708-388-3700 or website: redshoesbilliards.com or FACEBOOK).

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                    • #11
                      Can you safe break by kick banking the cue ball into the side of the rack similar to a one pocket break?

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                      • #12
                        Thanks guys for the posts, I'd still like to know what guys think of who should match up for a big challenged match with a full rack? My vote is Dennis Orcollo vs. anyone, not because he might be the best banker, but I believe it is recognized he is the best money game man!

                        I find it very interesting about the break, for I am not up to speed in how the game is played today. But Crabbcatjohn, since threading this I did reviewed DCC bank rules and BCAPL, and I believe this is the break ruling, any racked ball can be first contacted, and then thereafter either a ball must be pocketed or a ball must go past the side pocket.

                        It used to be 4 balls had to hit a rail and that is called an "Open Break". Funny in my '68 BCA rule book; Bank Pool is still not recognized as a game, so one has to wonder when BCA started recognizing it.

                        Crabtbcatjohn, do not rely on my answer on the break, for I am hear to learn, so I also have to refer to more knowledgeable members! Whitey

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                        • #13
                          John b. Would tear Dennis o. Out of the frame at full rack. Shannon D. Plays full rack pretty sporty also.

                          B
                          Execution of the shot, some days I have it some days I don't...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wgcp View Post
                            John b. Would tear Dennis o. Out of the frame at full rack. Shannon D. Plays full rack pretty sporty also.

                            B
                            it is a different game than 5 and out for sure imo....

                            yep JB plays all banks incredibly but I bet his full rack is damn strong!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View Post
                              Can you safe break by kick banking the cue ball into the side of the rack similar to a one pocket break?
                              Yes, you can "safe break" by kick banking the cue ball into the side of the rack similar to a one pocket break. And just like in one pocket, at least one of the object balls from the rack must make contact with a rail, otherwise, it is a foul.

                              However, if a player decides to use a "kick-bank safe break," the strategy is suspect because the incoming player can easily shoot a strong safety by glancing off the rack and rolling the cue ball to the back rail.

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