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  • #31
    I'll bet

    one thing,,,you must be a dickhead

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    • #32
      Maybe, if it's possible, John B. can have an opportunity to video the shot, and tell us his thoughts as He shoots it. Would be great to see how a TOP banker makes the shot!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by mr3cushion View Post
        Can YOU make the shot or NOT?
        The question isn't who can make the shot - that's just your usual ego games and I'm still not playing, Bill.

        The question is whether the shot can be made and what kind of hit on the CB it takes. A video of somebody shooting shots doesn't show that, because we can't be sure how the CB is being hit. A setup shot like mine can show that - that's why it's used.

        Whether you get that or not doesn't change much of anything.

        pj
        chgo

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        • #34
          Originally posted by mr3cushion View Post
          Maybe, if it's possible, John B. can have an opportunity to video the shot, and tell us his thoughts as He shoots it. Would be great to see how a TOP banker makes the shot!
          Bill,I would but I don't think it would do much good. I done told you my thoughts on how I shoot it. Been shootin that shot since I was 17 years old John B.
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          • #35
            Not a problem at all John, I know you know how to make it, without a doubt!

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            • #36
              I've already told you how to make it. In fact, the well-known shot is on one of Freddy's videos if I remember correctly. Flat cue, fluid stroke, turn the ball and watch it fight the cloth and turn in. That's all there is to it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
                When aimed right this shot made every time on the table shown - but on the table behind it (the legs you can see at the top of the pic), which I vacuum and wipe down daily, it wouldn't go. These are side-by-side tables of the same make and model that were recovered at the same time, so the only major difference is cleanliness.
                By the way, the important part is the bolded part above. This isn't the only way to make this shot - it changes from table to table and maybe from day to day on the same table.

                pj
                chgo

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                • #38
                  Only on a pool forum will you have bangers arguing with champions, or people who can really play! Here's a tip for beginners. Don't get into the physics of pool, as I've yet to see one who can play. Maybe it's a natural talent for one and lack for the other.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by backplaying View Post
                    Don't get into the physics of pool, as I've yet to see one who can play.
                    One what? Physicist? Me either (far as I know). But I'll bet there are some who can. If you think knowledge and good play are incompatible, then I agree you've got more important things to learn than physics.

                    pj
                    chgo

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                    • #40
                      No question - bankers understand ball and rail behavior (physics) more than any other discipline.

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                      • #41
                        Once upon time I was struggling mightily to understand trigonometry and, predictably, was having absolutely no luck. Eventually it was suggested that in order to pass the course I quit trying to understand "why", just learn the formula's and use them. It worked and I ended up with an "A" for the course.

                        You'd be amazed at the number of subjects to which that advice can successfully be applied.
                        Last edited by Cary; 10-24-2014, 09:02 AM.
                        "If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."---unknown

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
                          One what? Physicist? Me either (far as I know). But I'll bet there are some who can. If you think knowledge and good play are incompatible, then I agree you've got more important things to learn than physics.

                          pj
                          chgo
                          I changed my reply to, I had rather have talent at playing, than have talent at explaining it. I have noticed your disrespect for great players, by constantly disagreeing with them. If you were in a pool room arguing with a top player, you would get laughed out of the room. I guess it's just your way of doing what you do best, which is explaining why things happen, because you lack the ability to actually play well. Just like your non-stop doubting of everything CJ said. It can also be looked at as knocking, regardless of who was right! Also, many good players make great teachers without having to explain exactly why everything happens in every detail, myself for one.
                          Last edited by backplaying; 10-24-2014, 03:57 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by backplaying View Post
                            I had rather have talent at playing, than have talent at explaining it.
                            Just because you can't do both doesn't mean nobody can.

                            Just like your non-stop doubting of everything CJ said.
                            Your inability to tell the difference between carnival barking and real info is unfortunate but not particularly surprising, since you're apparently a regular on the "Magical Thinking" forum at AzB (otherwise known as the "Stan Shuffet and CJ Wiley Fan Club").

                            pj
                            chgo

                            P.S. Yes, both those guys play great. Neither of them knows how they do it.

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                            • #44
                              PJ's arguments are (presumably) subject to attack on various grounds. However, the fact that be does not agree with CJ Wiley is not one of them. If you can't see past his pathetic attempts to hawk his hilarious CD's and techniques, then I regrettably know all that I need to know about you as a player and, more importantly, as a thinker.

                              There is a reason why only beginners flock to his circus tent - they don't know any better.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by straightback View Post
                                PJ's arguments are (presumably) subject to attack on various grounds. However, the fact that be does not agree with CJ Wiley is not one of them. If you can't see past his pathetic attempts to hawk his hilarious CD's and techniques, then I regrettably know all that I need to know about you as a player and, more importantly, as a thinker.

                                There is a reason why only beginners flock to his circus tent - they don't know any better.
                                Which is why I threw the word knocking in. I'm a friend of CJ's and have no problem with someone trying to make a living in the pool world. Its tough enough without having knockers come into play. I happen to disagree with CJ's TOI and actually teach a touch of outside, if anything. I couldn't play at all using it, but some might. I also know you don't have to explain why something happens in every detail to teach. I'm also a friend of John B, and wouldn't second guess his post on how he makes a certain shot. The bottom line is,Patrick can't play, so, the only way he can compete is to claim real players don't know why the ball does certain things.

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