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    Just watched the Accustats DVD of the 2006 semi final One Pocket match between Efren & Alex. Efren puts on just an incredible performance. Alex wins the lag & makes a ball on his first break & goes on to run about 4 balls and ends up winning that first game when Efren scratches on kind of a wild shot.

    But after that, Efren absolutely tortures Alex until he coughs up a shot three straight games, when Efren runs 8 & out, 8 & out and 9 & out to close out the match -- wow!!

    Incardona & the Beard are in the booth & those two are so blown away by what they are witnessing that they almost don't know what to say -- almost!

    He closes out one run by playing the most delicate two-rail position to nudge loose the last three balls so he can get out.

    something like this
    "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
    -- Strawberry Brooks

  • #2
    He's truely amazing!!! The interesting part of the shot to me is the fact that you can't use low right since it might come off the 2nd rail too high. He recognizes this instantly whereas I might have used the wrong English and would only know it was wrong after I screwed it up. In addition, he hits it with just the right speed!! Really, who would shoot this shot except Efren? I'd have to try to get on the 7 for a cross-table bank.

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    • #3
      Position

      That was the single most impressive position shot that I have ever seen in 50 years of pool.

      the Beard
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      • #4
        Originally posted by fred bentivegna
        That was the single most impressive position shot that I have ever seen in 50 years of pool.

        the Beard
        What the hell are you talking about, Freddie? You probably TAUGHT Efren that shot!! I hope your knees are steadily on the mend!

        Doc

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        • #5
          Best one-hole I have ever seen!

          Originally posted by NH Steve
          Just watched the Accustats DVD of the 2006 semi final One Pocket match between Efren & Alex. Efren puts on just an incredible performance. Alex wins the lag & makes a ball on his first break & goes on to run about 4 balls and ends up winning that first game when Efren scratches on kind of a wild shot.

          But after that, Efren absolutely tortures Alex until he coughs up a shot three straight games, when Efren runs 8 & out, 8 & out and 9 & out to close out the match -- wow!!

          Incardona & the Beard are in the booth & those two are so blown away by what they are witnessing that they almost don't know what to say -- almost!

          He closes out one run by playing the most delicate two-rail position to nudge loose the last three balls so he can get out.

          something like this
          I watched the semi-finals and the final against Jason Miller and have to say it was the most dominating one-pocket I have ever seen. I talked to a friend who was in the stands watching the finals (this guy is an experienced road player) and he agreed that he had never seen better one-pocket. Can't say I recall many of the individual shots, but I do recall one where Efren made a very thin cut shot, looked like he was using a lot of inside English, and went two rails to end up with the cue perfectly positioned in a little "window" for his next shot.
          Regards,
          Bill Porter
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          • #6
            Awesome!! Another magical shot from a billiard magician. Efren's experience in 3 cushion billiards undoubtably made way for this shot selection. Like I've said before I had the chance to see Freddy & Efren play many times and was treated to some pretty memorable stuff. I only wish I knew how to use the Wei table to show you a masse shot Efren shoots and I think to him it's a hanger. Freddy you know the shot I'm referring to both cueball and object ball are frozen against the rail aimed directly to your opponents pocket.
            Efren jacks up and masses the cueball so it hugs the object ball and does a 180 so your opponent is looking at the shot he left you. Efren you're a monster!!!!!!! LOL Fred I know you must recall the shot if so can you please diagram it to show what I'm talkin about? Thanks, Phil Welch

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            • #7
              Come DCC

              Originally posted by gulfportdoc
              What the hell are you talking about, Freddie? You probably TAUGHT Efren that shot!! I hope your knees are steadily on the mend!

              Doc
              I'll be doing foot races in time for Derby City Doc. Thanks.

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              • #8
                Effren Masse

                Originally posted by philwelch
                Awesome!! Another magical shot from a billiard magician. Efren's experience in 3 cushion billiards undoubtably made way for this shot selection. Like I've said before I had the chance to see Freddy & Efren play many times and was treated to some pretty memorable stuff. I only wish I knew how to use the Wei table to show you a masse shot Efren shoots and I think to him it's a hanger. Freddy you know the shot I'm referring to both cueball and object ball are frozen against the rail aimed directly to your opponents pocket.
                Efren jacks up and masses the cueball so it hugs the object ball and does a 180 so your opponent is looking at the shot he left you. Efren you're a monster!!!!!!! LOL Fred I know you must recall the shot if so can you please diagram it to show what I'm talkin about? Thanks, Phil Welch
                I cant make the diagram thing work either. Suffice to say he masse's the cue ball and it crawls along the surface of the object ball and winds up on the other side of the object ball.
                the Beard
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by philwelch
                  Awesome!! Another magical shot from a billiard magician. Efren's experience in 3 cushion billiards undoubtably made way for this shot selection. Like I've said before I had the chance to see Freddy & Efren play many times and was treated to some pretty memorable stuff. I only wish I knew how to use the Wei table to show you a masse shot Efren shoots and I think to him it's a hanger. Freddy you know the shot I'm referring to both cueball and object ball are frozen against the rail aimed directly to your opponents pocket.
                  Efren jacks up and masses the cueball so it hugs the object ball and does a 180 so your opponent is looking at the shot he left you. Efren you're a monster!!!!!!! LOL Fred I know you must recall the shot if so can you please diagram it to show what I'm talkin about? Thanks, Phil Welch
                  At one of the DCC One Pocket events -- not sure which year, Efren played exactly the shot you are describing. The cue ball was locked up behind a ball nearly frozen to the bottom rail, and there where balls on both sides of the lower end of the table which were in good spots to be banked -- to either pocket if they were left exposed. Efren's solution was to masse right around the blocking ball, leaving his opponent in the same trouble...

                  like this on the cue table

                  (this is a three page diagram -- click on the page numbers to advance to the next page)
                  Last edited by NH Steve; 09-21-2006, 07:33 PM.
                  "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
                  -- Strawberry Brooks

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                  • #10
                    I saw Eften shoot that shot against a very good Phil. player. It blew the guy away and he never recovered. It was quite a few years ago before everyone knew of his magic.

                    Here's a shot he did against another well-known and top pockets player:

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                    %AO8P7%BJ7U0%CI8O9%DM0M6%EM9Q2%FK4Q7%GK4M9%HM7N8%IL4O6%JH2K9
                    %KG9S3%LF5O5%MO1U8%ND1S4%OC9J2%PC8H7%QA8A8%RA5[7%US3[5%Vr6Q8
                    %Wr7Q8%XD4H8%YD0T4%ZR6[7
                    )END

                    He has pocket A. Only the 15 and 14 are important in the shot as I don't recall the position of the other balls. The amazing part is that he didn't scratch and just tickled the 14 leaving his opponent the exact opposite situation just like the masse shot above. He won the first 3 games 8 nothing and made 4 more balls before his opponent got a ball!! 36 balls to nothing! His opponent was a very good pocket player.

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                    • #11
                      I dug up an old post I wrote after going to the DCC back in 2004:

                      The best pool I saw was definitely watching Efren Reyes. After watching Efren for quite a few hours over the course of the week, I noticed that he seems to approach the table differently from other players (I’m not always real quick on the uptake). Watching him look over the table when he is getting ready to shoot, he moves around a lot less than most players – often just standing still in one spot for quite a while, then maybe moving to another side of the table and standing there for a while; only rarely, and ever so briefly, does he bend down to take a closer look at anything. I wonder if it isn’t because he ‘thinks’ about the game differently than other players – almost as if while others are thinking hard solely with the cognitive part of their brain, Efren is using whole other parts of his brain to ‘feel’ out his options in his own primal ‘pool language’.

                      By the way, Efren was being shadowed by a reporter from the NY Times supposedly, supposedly doing some kind of feature on 'The Magician'.

                      I even had a chance to watch Efren play a little chess with Corey Deuell (with Corey hitting up Efren for a spot of rook -- naturally), and I saw that same kind of focus playing chess as he played out potential moves in his mind, before he made his actual move on the board. No wonder he likes chess – and One Pocket!

                      One night Efren and Cliff Joyner matched up in a race to eight for a bundle, with Efren giving Cliff 8-7. They battled pretty evenly until about 6-6, when Efren pulled away for the win. Efren made a sweet long cross corner bank with just barely enough legs to reach his pocket for the final ball to close out the set. Naturally even if he had missed, he laid the cue ball right up on the head rail. The shot was something like this:

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                      %Cn8D8%Gq1Y4%Jr7X7%Or5D1%Pp2D1%QA8A9%RA5[4%UE3W1%Vn5C5%W]9Z7
                      %Xn3E1%Yr8I9%Zk0C3%[D5D4%\\8[1%eA4`9%f3%g7%_G1Z7%`E2X9%aD3W9
                      %bj2C9%cX9O8%dG9[3
                      )END

                      Here’s an old Efren Reyes story told to me by a player by the name of Willie Flieson from Chicago: “When Efren first came through Chicago, I made a Rotation game with him, and I really thought I had him. If at any time in the game, Efren failed to hit the lowest ball on the table, I won; if at any time I asked Efren what pocket he made any ball, if he couldn’t name the pocket, I won. And, I only had to get 30 points. At that time, I was a pretty good player, but I couldn’t win. Whenever Efren couldn’t hit a ball directly, he wouldn’t kick at it, he’d masse around the balls to hit it. I didn’t have a chance.”

                      By the way, Efren consistently warmed up with a little casual rotation, and at one point he easily ran off a couple of racks and then walked away for his match without a miss. The consensus opinion seemed to be that the Philipine players did not play either one Pocket or Banks before they invaded over here.

                      The Chicago players also talked about how Efren wasn’t a great banker when he first came through Chicago – many players were beating him at banks. But after he stayed around a while, he had learned enough that he could hold his own, and the rest, as they say, is history.

                      Other players talked about how when Efren first came to Philly, the top players were giving him something like 10-8 and beating him, but after just a few days the handicaps reversed, with Efren giving them 10-8.
                      There was also a description of an entertaining high stakes side show that took place that year:
                      Of course if you got tired of watching Efren, there were a dozed or so pretty good match ups going on either in the tournament room or the ‘practice room’ at all hours of the day or night (and I do mean all hours). The most entertaining ‘action’ that I saw was the after hours match up between up and coming young women player Rachel Abbink and big time gambler John Mataya.

                      It started in the practice room (aka ‘action room’) with Grady appearing to back Rachel against Mataya in One Pocket for a little something a game. Strictly no coaching was allowed for either player, and Rachel claimed not to know how to play One Pocket – in fact she certainly demonstrated shooting the wrong shot many times. Mataya looked like he had a better understanding of One Pocket, but was fully capable of missing even the easiest of shots – simply not that strong a player. Rachel on the other hand, looks like one of the real up and coming straight shooters of the women’s regional tours, and apparently she’s been known to gamble a little bit. (Rumor has it that she was the girlfriend of Larry Neville for a while – which of course could acquaint her with just a little One Pocket.)


                      Diana Hoppe photo from AZBilliards

                      This went on for a while with a few guys getting into side action. Grady got a little tense about all the side action cutting into his own angle with Rachel – and rightfully so – it was certainly more than a little over the top…

                      Grady had to leave the room for one game, and let ‘Teddy the Greek’ from Detroit take over with Rachel. Rachel won the last game, but then as the woofing picked up Teddy musta got a bit distracted, ‘cuz he got a little unclear on whether or not they never got paid for the last game. Then there was talk of Rachel giving Mataya a small spot, then for a bit it looked like it was all over, but…

                      But then all of a sudden Mataya’s machismo seemed to kick in and the bet suddenly shot up, with Grady and Rachel putting up significantly more cash at 7-5 on the money but playing Mataya even in the ball count in race to four games. (Now all of this took nearly an hour to play out, mind you, and the entertainment quality of the woofing and arguing and negotiating was pretty incredible – I’m sorry, you really had to be there.) Mataya egged on all the sweaters to put their money up, but they’ve ‘gotta bet something’. Anyone who wanted to get in on the action had to put up a pretty substantial minimum – yet sweaters were falling all over each other to rush to get in on the action, putting up quite a bit at a whack – money was dropping from everywhere onto the table, got fanned out and counted, then noted on a piece of paper and then fanned out and counted and more, and more. Mataya had on those deep pocketed style trousers with a rather large stack of bills and just kept peeling them off to all takers. Absolutely nobody wanted to ‘bet on the guy’ – Even after Mataya was done covering everything, newcomers still rushed into the room waving money shouting ‘anybody like the guy’ in a desperate bid to get in on the action. Famed backer and high roller Harry Plattis drew Mataya aside for a little quiet consultation and…and…maybe a piece of the action or whatever… George Middleditch did a great job keeping all the potential flare-ups on the civil side and keeping the whole scene flowing along… Teddy the Greek counted the money quite a few times to figure out if he got paid for the one game when Grady had stepped out of the room.

                      Apparently the guys from the BCn got tipped to what was happening because after the first game of the set, Grady asked all the principles and the 50-100 sweators if they’d be agreeable to move to the TV table and go liveon the internet. With the party’s agreement, all of a sudden the whole crowd surged out of the little ‘practice room’ and down the long vendor’s hall toward the tournament room and the TV bleachers. As the crowd rushed down the hallway they gathered more sweaters from the innocent bystanders that they passed -- wondering what all the excitement was about, and getting swept right along. By the time the crowd reached the bleachers it was easily a couple of hundred strong!

                      Rachel took her place under the lights right away, but John had to make a little detour up to his room to change into his full regalia – sporty red sweater and huge gold cross hanging from a chain around his neck. John’s brother Jim ‘Pretty Boy Floyd’ Mataya took a ringside seat in the tv table ‘pit’, hollering to anyone who would listen about how he hasn’t played pool for thirty years and everyone is still afraid of him. Of course when five or ten guys in the bleachers jumped up to challenge him, he’d say ‘ya gotta shoot with the limb’, meaning one handed, or ‘you gonna go dig up Mosconi or Ralph Greenleaf to play me, I havent’ shot since the Civil War’…and on and on…) He was only allowed to talk during his brother’s innings – so he took full advantage when he could

                      Harry Plattis and Bert Kinnister took over the Accu-Stats booth (Could you guys who signed up for the BCn hear their commentary? We couldn’t in the tourney room, and I would have loved to hear them – they clearly were having a good time up there.)

                      After Rachel won the first game, John came alive and won the next two, and all the side action sweaters sure did appear to start to seriously sweat as it looked like John was coming off the stall. Grady – who acted as both the MC and ref for the big race to four games – was trying real hard not to break the no coaching rule as it became pretty apparent that Rachel wasn’t too sure of herself at A Pocket Apiece. Some of the sweaters were having an even harder time keeping their mouths shut, although they had considerably less into the game than Grady did.

                      And then… and then… I crashed.
                      Like I said, you had to be there…and you’re really cheating yourself if you don’t go some year yourself…

                      (Apparently Rachel came back to win the big set later that morning – myself, I had a plane to catch) Post script – John Mataya must have had enough excitement himself, too, since I spotted him in the airport the next day…
                      "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
                      -- Strawberry Brooks

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                      • #12
                        Steve, I saw Efren run two consecutive racks of rotation left handed. Of course he was only practicing but man that's strong. And that masse shot I described in my earlier post apparently is a hanger lol according to all the witnesses from various different games. Efren is God's gift to pool.

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                        • #13
                          On the same DVD, Efren crushes Jason Miller in the finals, and in that match he runs 8 & out, 8 & out, and is on his way to another run-out when he falls out of line shooting a ball left-handed, bridging over the stack.

                          He left himself something like this (on the cuetable

                          He looked like he was finally done with his string of runouts -- 8, 8, & 9 & out against Alex, and 8 & 8 and out against Miller -- that's 41 balls!! Give or take the ball now and then that his opponent made for him.

                          but...

                          he came up with yet another phenomenal position shot

                          Anyone have a guess?
                          Last edited by NH Steve; 09-22-2006, 08:34 AM.
                          "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
                          -- Strawberry Brooks

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NH Steve
                            On the same DVD, Efren crushes Jason Miller in the finals, and in that match he runs 8 & out, 8 & out, and is on his way to another run-out when he falls out of line shooting a ball left-handed, bridging over the stack.

                            He left himself something like this (on the cuetable

                            He looked like he was finally done with his string of runouts -- 8, 8, & 9 & out against Alex, and 8 & 8 and out against Miller -- that's 41 balls!! Give or take the ball now and then that his opponent made for him.

                            but...

                            he came up with yet another phenomenal position shot

                            Anyone have a guess?
                            Bank the three one rail (firmly), spinning the cue ball around the seven & between the seven & one ball for position. Pretty basic agressive one pocket shot, but no telling what Efren might do.
                            JOHN HENDERSON
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                            • #15
                              If I possessed Efren's stroke, I could entertain the thought of shooting this shot. Massive right (inside) spin *might* get me there.



                              This would leave me position on the 1 to play position on the 5 (EDIT: or the 4-3 combo) to break open the rest of the cluster if needed. What was the score when he shot here?

                              EDIT: Added an alternate solution...

                              Last edited by mosconiac; 09-22-2006, 06:33 PM.

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