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    I am kind of new to the game but addicted already. I'm looking for some quality material to learn the game in even more detail. Any suggestions? I'm a big 14.1 fan as well, if anyone can point me in the direction of quality material it would be most grateful. Thanks.

    By the way, what is the big deal with ''Winning One Pocket'' and ''SM & S'' and why are they no longer in publication, or are they?

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    "Playing the Game"

    Originally posted by Habitually
    I am kind of new to the game but addicted already. I'm looking for some quality material to learn the game in even more detail. Any suggestions? I'm a big 14.1 fan as well, if anyone can point me in the direction of quality material it would be most grateful. Thanks.

    By the way, what is the big deal with ''Winning One Pocket'' and ''SM & S'' and why are they no longer in publication, or are they?
    If you look up in the header tray you'll see "Playing The Game". Scroll down to "Getting Started", and you'll find a good primer and many resources for 1P. In addition, Bert Kinnister has some decent beginning one-pocket tapes.

    The Robin books are out of print. The publisher is preventing Eddie from re-publishing it due to some legal wrangling, even though he would love to have new printings.

    Due to the mini-surge in interest in the game, however, I'm certain a one-pocket expert will come along and get a thorough 1P book published. I think backing is always the concern. Grady and a few others have the knowledge, and both he and Freddy have the capacity to articulate the ins and outs of this complex game. The problem is that a project of that scope takes a lot of time and money, with only moderate hope of financial success in an esoteric market.

    Welcome to the asylum...

    Doc

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    • #3
      Thanks Doc. I'll check out some of that material. Hopefully a few tapes and books, along with this site, will help elevate me from 1P hack to 1P player

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      • #4
        grady mathews tapes best i seen

        i like the mathews tapes great. i kept thinking sh@#! i never knew that.... and that, and that. as for books i got robin books on ebay for much cheaper than i saw on amazon.com. yeah they are out of print i think and i am glad the man above here said why as i had wondered why such kick ass books were so hard to get hold of but the mathews tapes were easy to find. i did not care for the orange one pocket book by whoever it was . i got the feeling it was mostly stuff i had read before elsewhere except one tip where he says that on the lag you should strive to hit the head rail 7 of 10 tries to get closest consistently. otherwise stuff i already knowed. i dunno why i talk like a hillbilly on the computer and not in real life. just my sense of humor i guess.

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        • #5
          Available one pocket books

          Jack Koehler's "UpScale One-Pocket" is where I learned about and fell in love with this game. I think it's a great primer. I have the Eddie Robin books but besides being rare and pricey, they're probably more suited to advanced play.

          I dearly love Grady Mathews' tapes. Fun to watch and I always seem to learn something but Billy Incardona's tape "A Common Sense Approach to One-Pocket" is more complete and puts the game in better perspective than any single Grady tape.

          Everything except the Robin's books should be available through Accu-Stats.

          Oops! I totally forgot Freddy Bentivegna's "Banking with the Beard". I think it's a must for any player but particularly for a one-pocket player.

          May the rolls be with you,

          The old professor
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          • #6
            Originally posted by profcuestroke
            Jack Koehler's "UpScale One-Pocket" is where I learned about and fell in love with this game. I think it's a great primer. I have the Eddie Robin books but besides being rare and pricey, they're probably more suited to advanced play.

            I dearly love Grady Mathews' tapes. Fun to watch and I always seem to learn something but Billy Incardona's tape "A Common Sense Approach to One-Pocket" is more complete and puts the game in better perspective than any single Grady tape.

            Everything except the Robin's books should be available through Accu-Stats.

            Oops! I totally forgot Freddy Bentivegna's "Banking with the Beard". I think it's a must for any player but particularly for a one-pocket player.

            May the rolls be with you,

            The old professor
            I agree wholeheartedly with the old professor, our libraries are the same. I came at 1p from getting several Grady tapes, and loved the wacky banks and caroms (in any other pool game BUT 1p)... I had been playing them for years... so I found Shots Moves Strategies to learn more about the game.
            Koehler's book is a bit dated and spare but a decent primer, useful drills.

            Bill Incardona's video gives a good offensive strategic overview, while any and all of Grady's tapes will add a lot of sound defensive/offensive tricks up your sleeve, great value in each of his videos (straight pool, gambling, 1p, banking, kicking, advanced etc.).

            Graduate courses in the mental 1p chess game begin with either of the Eddie Robin's books, and can get your creative juices flowing and also get you in serious trouble if you uncork one in a match without practice and it flops. Kind of like watching Accu-stats tapes when all the commentators are shouting "This is completely insane what the H#LL was he thinking this is.... just an incredible shot by a true champion!"

            Polish off your library with as many recommended accustat tapes with great commentary and performances as you can afford.

            Finally go get seasoning by playing the best as cheap as you can, and learning from your mistakes, you will pay dearly for each and every one. I learned my offense is "great" (err, adequate for the bozos I play/teach, they only know 9ball), needs to be tamed down a lot to avoid selling out twice a game, when an offensive ballrunner will undo all that patient moving, or meeting a real 1p specialist (AKA defensive sadist) who will torture your every mistake with only the backside of nothing to shoot at but sellouts or owe a ball.

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            • #7
              What are the legal problems with W1P & S, M, & S keeping them from being published

              I am new to the game and was reading some of the past articles about winning one pocket and also shots, moves, and strategy. i was wondering if anyone knew the problems.....reasons why they cant be published any longer, and if there was any way settle the problems and get the books back out there at reasonable prices..... thanks for any comments or answers!!!!!!!!!!

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              • #8
                I speak to him every so often and I will say this Eddie is going to put out books again how soon I can only wonder, it takes tons of work. From my knowledge at least 1 more one pocket book, two more 3 cushion billiards books (theres already one) to make up a 1500 shot library, and books on 9 ball 8 ball, books on the mechanics of the game, etc. I was actually going to invest in all this untill the oilfield fell through so badly. His old books the two one pocket and the 3 cushion books can all be attained on ebay directly from him.

                Grey Ghost
                Grey Ghost...the one with the most

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