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  • #31
    Originally posted by gulfportdoc View Post
    [FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="3"]I'll be 100% in favor of using shot clocks in one-pocket..... just as soon as they start using them in baseball.
    Shot clocks are for left-brainers. You and Petie are "radical right."

    People who continually bring up this subject are inadvertently suggesting that all tournament players be punished for a few bad apples.
    I see it as rewarding the majority of players to the slight disadvantage of a few.

    Look, they've already ruined the game of 9-ball/10-ball by speeding it up with Texas Express rules: 1 foul BIH, and 3 foul loss of game.
    A matter of personal preference. As I've noted before, I have the patience of a gerbil. Faster is better in almost all things... and the only thing it's definitely worse in is not of the concern to me it once was.

    Leave one-pocket to be played the way it was intended.
    By whom? Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Ghandi or Jansco, Inc.?

    (I pick Dave Pearson.)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by petie View Post
      Take two aspirins and call me when you feel better.
      You remind me of that GD doctor who prescribed suppositories for me.

      For all the good they did me I might as well have shoved 'em up my a$$.

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      • #33
        Funny story about the clock

        1. So I loaded everyone's phone up with the COUNTDOWNS app....(it's perfectly suited for the intended purpose. Hence, no money spent....went to the SRC and no one wanted to play with the clock
        2. Rosey and Jose drew each other in Louisville long ago and they were immediately put on the clock, only to finish 3hrs later than everyone else. A new definition of SAFE!
        3. Rosey statement was "I don't care how long he takes, if he don't shot he can't beat me out of as much".

        I understand everyone's point of view and I prefer not to worry about it also. It's when you are running a tournament and a bracket falls behind, and you live in East Jesus and want to get home.... I can't help you out without a ruling about the above.
        Bill Rowsey, SOUTHAVEN RECREATION CENTER MS

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        • #34
          I agree with Rowsey. It's not so much the effects I feel when playing a slower player as much as the effect on everyone who must wait for the results of that match to play the ensuing rounds. I've seen this hang up a number of one pocket tournaments.

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          • #35
            here is the rule from accustats
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            60 seconds to "address the cue ball".
            60 second extension to "address the cue ball."
            When the clock reaches 00 it is not automatically a foul.
            When the clock reaches 00 during a players extension and the player has not yet addressed the cue ball, a foul is called.

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            • #36
              I downloaded ap and watched it count down. 60 seconds is a long time and plenty of time to pull trigger. The only people that don't like shot clocks are slow methodical players. I hate playing them. The only problem I have with them is I wouldn't get to use it as I see and shoot fast.
              PS. The first time I played a now good friend of mine a race to 4 for $$ took 5 hrs. After I won I told I would rather dig ditches than play you again.
              ~T

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              • #37
                Originally posted by gulfportdoc View Post
                I'll be 100% in favor of using shot clocks in one-pocket..... just as soon as they start using them in baseball.

                Shot clocks will never come into common usage in one-pocket. The owners and promoters are not going to buy them, and the players don't like them. In chess, without a shot clock, some contestants would sit there for an hour before each turn going over every possible move and historical situation before he budged. So chess had to do something.

                People who continually bring up this subject are inadvertently suggesting that all tournament players be punished for a few bad apples. There are already umpteen ways to speed up matches which have become painfully slow or problematic. I've personally run several 1P tournaments, and only one time did I have to institute a speed up mechanism.


                Look, they've already ruined the game of 9-ball/10-ball by speeding it up with Texas Express rules: 1 foul BIH, and 3 foul loss of game. This was to get 9-ball on TV. How much 9-ball is now on TV? And of course one-pocket will NEVER be watched by the public.

                Leave one-pocket to be played the way it was intended. If in a tournament there is a seriously problematically slow match, then there are ways to handle that.

                ~Doc

                100% agreed. Even in 9-Ball you can notice better quality 9-Ball in money games than in shot-clock-monitored tournaments. It works fine when you are running out but not so fine when you have to actually decide something beyond hitting the lowest numbered ball. BTW, I am not a slow player. I probably shoot slower than Chris Gentile but faster than Nick Varner. If you are playing a really good player, he is setting Hungarian traps for you every shot. It takes a little thought to escape and turn the game toward your advantage sometimes.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by gulfportdoc View Post
                  I'll be 100% in favor of using shot clocks in one-pocket..... just as soon as they start using them in baseball.

                  Shot clocks will never come into common usage in one-pocket. The owners and promoters are not going to buy them, and the players don't like them. In chess, without a shot clock, some contestants would sit there for an hour before each turn going over every possible move and historical situation before he budged. So chess had to do something.

                  People who continually bring up this subject are inadvertently suggesting that all tournament players be punished for a few bad apples. There are already umpteen ways to speed up matches which have become painfully slow or problematic. I've personally run several 1P tournaments, and only one time did I have to institute a speed up mechanism.

                  Look, they've already ruined the game of 9-ball/10-ball by speeding it up with Texas Express rules: 1 foul BIH, and 3 foul loss of game. This was to get 9-ball on TV. How much 9-ball is now on TV? And of course one-pocket will NEVER be watched by the public.

                  Leave one-pocket to be played the way it was intended. If in a tournament there is a seriously problematically slow match, then there are ways to handle that.

                  ~Doc
                  I agree Doc. While I am not a slow player, I can play that way if the game dictates it. Having played two long sessions with Artie B, which were races to seven that took 13 hours and 16 hours, I know how excruciating slow play can be, but if never leaving a shot and breaking your opponent down is your style and it works, it is all part of this wonderful game.

                  For tournament play, I do like the Grady rule (similar to The Beards Speedo Rules) that Frank mentioned where anytime there are more than four balls in the kitchen you spot the one(s) closest to the line. I doubt I would gamble that way unless I really liked the matchup.
                  JOHN HENDERSON
                  Al Romero Cue
                  Magic Chalk

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by jrhendy View Post
                    if never leaving a shot and breaking your opponent down is your style and it works, it is all part of this wonderful game.
                    Indeed it is, but does that have anything to do with the shot clock question?

                    For tournament play, I do like the Grady rule (similar to The Beards Speedo Rules) that Frank mentioned where anytime there are more than four balls in the kitchen you spot the one(s) closest to the line.
                    I'm ambivalent about that, but it makes a huge difference in the play of the game, while shot clocks make little or none. My ability to enjoy a match is affected a lot more by the time between shots than by its total length, but all opinions about this stuff are equally valid, IMO. Personal preference.

                    BTW, sorry to hear you've decided against N.O. I'll look forward to seeing you in October.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by southavenrecreationcenter View Post
                      My thoughts. Our local events are muddied up by slow play, me included. To rectify this l'm looking for shot clocks that would be positioned at the upstream end of the table and would be reset to 60 seconds ONLY BY YOUR OPPONENT. Your opponent would have to respectfully remove himself from the playing area before your turn would start. A phone app would work. Do any of y'all use one, if so, help please.


                      However it's done for the benefit of new OnePocket audiences, a shot clock is probably needed. Streamed events I'm referring to. Personal events like Southaven Rec is asking? Up to the the proprietor, their audiences I guess. That's your business revenue talking' - to make sure all are entertained

                      On side matches if a player is known for slow play, I personally can deal with it. If slow play is carried out intentionally then more than a shot clock could be needed


                      I'm a-fixin' to come to Memphis ...

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                      • #41
                        I tried the phone app version without a warning buzzer the other day...
                        60 second clock...

                        It reeked with annoyance, taking away from the enjoyment of the game by having to be constantly mindful of resetting the darn thing, the overall nuisance of dealing with the when to start it and stop it thing... It was a pain... Players won't do it...

                        It would need a monitor, someone hired to run it... With a big clock visible on both ends and above the table... Expensive and ain't gonna happen IMO...

                        Much has been said about pace of play and most times in tournaments slow play can be dealt with by the TD, and IMO it should be for the benifit of all.

                        Playing for cash is totally different IMO, if you cannot tolerate the pace of an opponent, don't play... Seems simple enough...

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                        • #42
                          So a turtle was accosted and mugged by three 1 pocket players. When questioned by the police if he could describe the attack, he appeared confused and said "it all happened so fast!"
                          Last edited by Disco Dave; 06-23-2016, 08:12 PM.

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