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  • #16
    I think Tony plays the way he does is to keep his opponent from knowing his game and countering it. If Dennis figures out what Tony will do on every reply, Tony becomes too predictable and he'll be dismantled with surgical skill by Dennis. Scott lost because of this imo, Dennis figured out his game and dismantled him one shot at a time.

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    • #17
      Here's my two cents on last night's session...

      Some of you seem to favor the passive style of play... You know, bunt a ball here, take a scratch there, prolong the agony, etc. But this style doesn't quite cut it when two top-rated players lock horns. It just doesn't! It's quite ironic to hear someone refer to Tony's attempts at turning the tables on his opponent as 'circus shots.' With that in mind, I fully admit there have been a few questionable shots that Tony took, but I can easily say the same about Dennis. He sold out a couple of times as well.

      What made a difference yesterday was Dennis's excellent shot making, not to mention his pattern play that led him to run out some games. As for Tony, I can easily point out four uncharacteristic misses, as well as a couple of banks that seem to have rolled out on him. Might I add the unfortunate skid on the money ball to reach 29 games yesterday (I think Dennis was at 25 when that happened).

      Another point I'd like to make concerns those know-it-all guests in the POVPOOL booth who seem to have it all figured out. Jay Helfert showed me yesterday how little he knows about 1P. And the last dude who seems to know exactly what to do on every shot? Most of his shot selections where just outrageous! As far as I'm concerned, they can both step up and get 12-6 from Tony. And don't worry, Tony will make it quick and as painless as possible. Daniel's commentary, on the other hand, was always objective and unbiased towards both players.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by OneRock View Post
        Here's my two cents on last night's session...

        Some of you seem to favor the passive style of play... You know, bunt a ball here, take a scratch there, prolong the agony, etc. But this style doesn't quite cut it when two top-rated players lock horns. It just doesn't! It's quite ironic to hear someone refer to Tony's attempts at turning the tables on his opponent as 'circus shots.' With that in mind, I fully admit there have been a few questionable shots that Tony took, but I can easily say the same about Dennis. He sold out a couple of times as well.

        What made a difference yesterday was Dennis's excellent shot making, not to mention his pattern play that led him to run out some games. As for Tony, I can easily point out four uncharacteristic misses, as well as a couple of banks that seem to have rolled out on him. Might I add the unfortunate skid on the money ball to reach 29 games yesterday (I think Dennis was at 25 when that happened).

        Another point I'd like to make concerns those know-it-all guests in the POVPOOL booth who seem to have it all figured out. Jay Helfert showed me yesterday how little he knows about 1P. And the last dude who seems to know exactly what to do on every shot? Most of his shot selections where just outrageous! As far as I'm concerned, they can both step up and get 12-6 from Tony. And don't worry, Tony will make it quick and as painless as possible. Daniel's commentary, on the other hand, was always objective and unbiased towards both players.
        I wrote something similar and agree with most of your points, at least as far as how Tony is analyzing the game. But we have seen if you grind on Dennis, he'll make a safety error sometimes and let you get back into the game. You never give him a chance to do that if you shoot the Hail Mary the first time you are in a trap. We also saw that Tony has an
        edge in end game strategy and he is not pushing the game into that area to take advantage of his strength. As for the booth guests, they are volunteers offering an opinion. I may agree or disagree based on the inning, but it is nice to hear different takes, even if I would do something different or think their suggestion is flat out wrong. Daniel is good in the booth, though, and has a good understanding not only of the game, but of each player's style on what they like.
        Last edited by BRLongArm; 07-14-2017, 02:01 PM.

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        • #19
          I'm looking forward to seeing a replay of the last game. I fell asleep when Dennis was up 4-0, I believe. What did Tony pull out of his hat to come back and win that game? Or did Dennis commit a mistake?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by OneRock View Post
            I'm looking forward to seeing a replay of the last game. I fell asleep when Dennis was up 4-0, I believe. What did Tony pull out of his hat to come back and win that game? Or did Dennis commit a mistake?

            Tony banked a ball and left it in his hole. He had a ball for a long rail bank. Dennis conceded the ball, but did not move the cue ball to make the bank tough. Tony long railed the ball and ran six. He ended up winning when Dennis hit a two railer too hard and left a cross bank. Tony absolutely stole the game with Dennis leading 6-0.
            Last edited by BRLongArm; 07-14-2017, 03:01 PM.

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            • #21
              Thanks for the update.

              Originally posted by BRLongArm View Post
              Tony banked a ball and left it in his hole. He had a ball for a long rail bank. Dennis conceded the ball, but did not move the cue ball to make the bank tough. Tony long railed the ball and ran six. He ended up winning when Dennis flubbed a take out. Tony absolutely stole the game with Dennis leading 6-0.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by OneRock View Post
                I'm looking forward to seeing a replay of the last game. I fell asleep when Dennis was up 4-0, I believe. What did Tony pull out of his hat to come back and win that game? Or did Dennis commit a mistake?
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStA...ature=youtu.be


                That link takes you to the day 3 recording.

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                • #23
                  just started trying to find the last game to watch it and I ended up around this point:

                  https://youtu.be/RStAmLWXFu0?t=34555

                  Look at that shot Tony makes there, he hits those kick banks well, but nice rolls there too with the ball going in the side and the CB snuggling up next to the 8...

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                  • #24
                    Perhaps its my age.

                    I think Dennis had a opportunity to conclude the session in a strong manner.
                    He had the final game leading 6 to 0 when Tony showed what he is made of and made a strong bank and got to the hill first. With 2 balls left and Dennis needing both of them went for a 2 rail bank which he could not win with but only lose.
                    I say that because the other ball was generally out of play. He missed and left Tony with an easy cross corner and sold out the game.

                    I dont mean to second guess a pro especially one like Dennis. If he felt comfortable with the shot and liked it then I see the reason to shoot it. But I really would have liked to see him grind it out for those last two balls since that is the strategy that was successful for him last nite.
                    Make Tony make the mistake.

                    Having Tony come back from a minus 6 deficit only pumps him up for the following day and gives him momentum.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by keoneyo View Post
                      I think Dennis had a opportunity to conclude the session in a strong manner.

                      Having Tony come back from a minus 6 deficit only pumps him up for the following day and gives him momentum.
                      I know that when I am down or getting even I get pumped up too. Thats when I go off for another $1000.
                      Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                      • #26
                        [QUOTE=OneRock;215413]Here's my two cents on last night's session...


                        opponent as 'circus shots.' With that in mind, I fully admit there have been a few questionable shots that Tony took,

                        When I think of the Circus, I think of unimaginable feats of ability, great showmanship, and a high degree of performance. A Circus shot is a compliment in one pocket because you dont see it everyday. Dennis fired a couple himself yesterday. Tony does it as a routine.
                        Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                        • #27
                          I feel like it doesn't get discussed much, but one of the things I don't like about the flyer shots is, it's sort of assumed "if I make it I'll win the game, and if I miss it I'll lose". The number of times guys make flyers and don't get a shot after is insanely high. I think it's a high percentage because it is supposed to be high... you don't just scramble the balls and then "deserve" a shot if you make it, in fact I'd say the odds are well against you to not get a shot the more the balls are moving around. This all works the other way too though, where if you miss the other guy may have nothing.

                          I also get amazed at how bad the best players in the world can play. If you watch the match close, half the time they have an open table they are missing very pocketable balls... the ones they normally shoot in every single time.

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                          • #28
                            Also, I personally thought the key game, perhaps in this entire set, was when tony had 7 and he was shooting a ball and got a skid. I'm not one that necessarily thinks all the blame goes to the skid though. He hit that ball tentatively. Dennis made one of the best run outs of the set so far after that too. That was the swing game as far as I'm concerned. It could be 30 to 25 or 26 if tony would have just made that ball (I'm actually not sure what the score was for that game).

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by keoneyo View Post
                              I think Dennis had a opportunity to conclude the session in a strong manner.
                              He had the final game leading 6 to 0 when Tony showed what he is made of and made a strong bank and got to the hill first. With 2 balls left and Dennis needing both of them went for a 2 rail bank which he could not win with but only lose.
                              I say that because the other ball was generally out of play. He missed and left Tony with an easy cross corner and sold out the game.

                              I dont mean to second guess a pro especially one like Dennis. If he felt comfortable with the shot and liked it then I see the reason to shoot it. But I really would have liked to see him grind it out for those last two balls since that is the strategy that was successful for him last nite.
                              Make Tony make the mistake.

                              Having Tony come back from a minus 6 deficit only pumps him up for the following day and gives him momentum.
                              The last ball actually would go three rails and he was laying perfect for it had the two railer found a home. His speed was a little off, that's all.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by El Chapo View Post
                                Also, I personally thought the key game, perhaps in this entire set, was when tony had 7 and he was shooting a ball and got a skid. I'm not one that necessarily thinks all the blame goes to the skid though. He hit that ball tentatively. Dennis made one of the best run outs of the set so far after that too. That was the swing game as far as I'm concerned. It could be 30 to 25 or 26 if tony would have just made that ball (I'm actually not sure what the score was for that game).

                                That was big, wasn't it, Chapo.. What a joy to watch him.. Advanced one pocket.. D takes so long, it gets me. I have to cut commentary and watch other things in between T-Rex shooting.. It got to where that's all I wanted to see.. Just every shot by Tony and nothing else... Appreciate the stream, very much..
                                "Born Into This"

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