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  • #31
    Does something need to be done?

    Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
    1. So what? 2. It didn’t have anything to do with how the tournament was run. 3. If you have other committments OP>org tournaments are not for you. 4. See #1. 5. See #1 6. See#1 7. You should have gone because the people that went had the blast of this year. 7. Rebuttal. Ridiculous.
    Just for an example, the tournaments in Sacramento go to 4 am on a monthly basis. Why don’t you complain about this. Oh you don’t watch them? The DCC one year had their bank finals START at 3:30 am 8. Go to AZ Billiards tournaments. Oh they don’t have one? Moaning and groaning won’t change the fun for those of us that went. We are sorry that things didn’t fit into your schedule. If you would provide $3200 in prize money, pay for hotels, food, drinks, and travel, we will have the Youngstownkid Tournament anyway you like.
    No really, we all can agree that it was especially late ending but the room owner could have stepped in, Steve could have stepped in, the players could have agreed to split, and on and on but the thing was on schedule at 5 pm yesterday and we were talking about finishing by mid nite at 5pm Sunday night. It didn’t happen, but it did go on schedule for two and one half days. We finished on schedule Friday, and Saturday, and most of Sunday. It’s that damn Pilots wanting to win so bad that he drew out each game to its dying breath. If anything, I say we bar him from future play because on both occasions, he has been the one factor we can blame for the lateness.


    I’m just trying to help, sir. I’m not trying to be an ass. I don’t buy that’s it’s one slow player, nor anything else you’re selling. I get that you like it. Great. If others don’t, there are relatively easy solutions that are low maintenance and manageable. I am sorry I couldn’t attend as well, but I’ll never miss my son’s birthday, even if it means taking home a bunch of dough.
    Last edited by youngstownkid; 06-04-2018, 10:13 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by youngstownkid View Post
      I’m just trying to help, sir. I’m not trying to be an ass. I don’t buy that’s it’s one slow player, nor anything else you’re selling. I get that you like it. Great. If others don’t, there are relatively easy solutions that are low maintenance and manageable. I am sorry I couldn’t attend as well, but I’ll never miss my son’s birthday, even if it means taking home $3200 of your money.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tobermory View Post
        There is no virtue in finishing a tournament at 5 in the morning. There are lots of reasons pointed to by youngtownkid why it is not a good idea. Just because some pool players think it is cool or romantic or traditional or old school doesn't mean it is a good idea to plan a tournament so that it ends in the middle of the night. It can be planned so that that doesn't happen. Bill may want to dictate these terms but if we put it to a vote I'll bet him even money that the members would prefer something other than a 1 am booty call for the final match.

        This can be solved. Nobody has to shut up.
        Where do you get I’m trying to dictate, I’m not the one demanding change to a successful private event that no one in the world of pool cares two cents about except mostly the two that won.The final match did start at 1pm didn’t it? There is nothing wrong with the set up. There were two matches on the winners side, and two matches on the losers side at 11 am.
        What would be a better start to the final day, one match? Two? What do you want? You had one of the longest matches in the whole tournament, 5 hours. Maybe the solution is to end each match at two hours with whom ever is ahead. There’s a suggested solution. It’s all BULLSHIT. It doesn’t have anything to do with being cool, romantic, traditional, old school, new school or anything else. It has everything to do with bragging rights and having a good time. I will put it to a vote for the members that went, not the couch potatoes who want to gripe that they just had to watch an amateur tournament to see the finish. People who were watching are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Friday went as planned. Saturday went as planned. Sunday started out as well as it could, two matches each side, and went a little sideways. SO WHAT? Shut up again because there is NO problem. It’s a members tournament for the ones who want to go, ONCE a year. It’s like NEW YEARS. People who don’t drink go out and get drunk. This is OP.Orgs New Years. It’s fine the way it is. I’ll bet you this and lay you odds, the members that went had a good time and would not change a thing. (contrarians as yourself don’t get a vote) The members who just had to stay up late for one night want to change the whole format, number of wins losses, time played, you name it. I say it’s like voting for where the tournament is going to be held, if you don’t plan to go, you don’t get a vote. How much you willing to bet, I still have money left. I’ll even play you even for it, with a shot clock for you. I don’t need one because I’m thinking three shots ahead. By the way Mike, I wish we could have spent more time talking instead of just meeting in the bathroom.
        Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by youngstownkid View Post
          I’m just trying to help, sir. I’m not trying to be an ass. I don’t buy that’s it’s one slow player, nor anything else you’re selling. I get that you like it. Great. If others don’t, there are relatively easy solutions that are low maintenance and manageable. I am sorry I couldn’t attend as well, but I’ll never miss my son’s birthday, even if it means taking home $3200 of your money.
          If your not buying anything I have to say, what are you selling that means something to me? It was a joke about Jim. As far as I am concerned, this whole thread is looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Friday went as planned, Saturday went as planned, Sunday started with four matches to finish. Two from the winners, two from the losers. The tournament went as planned. Everyone WHO WENT had a great time. End of story.
          Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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          • #35
            We did not have Matt and Lizz there running the tournament. We missed them and I know they missed us. We had yours truly, Col Bille and Steve trying to keep up with the chart, play in the tournament, do a little commentating, get in a little action and do whatever else needed to be done.

            I guess I could have forgone everything but running the tournament and it would have gone a little smoother, but I had a blast. Oh, I ran the players auction along with the Col too. I agree, five in the morning is too long, but I screwed up on not scheduling the hot seat match earlier, thinking it should be on the streamed table. If I was more organized and paying attention instead of playing and having a good time, I would have worked out the schedule so the hot seat could be streamed and still saved a couple of hours. But I didn’t.

            I am not apologizing, I did the best I could. We need a full time person keeping up with the matches and running the chart. Like last year with Matt and Lizz, not with two old farts who had a couple too many Jack and Cokes the night before.

            My old friend Bill is a little harsh, as always, and there have been some good suggestions to peruse, but the tournament did what it was supposed to do.
            JOHN HENDERSON
            Al Romero Cue
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            • #36
              Does something need to be done?

              Originally posted by jrhendy View Post
              We did not have Matt and Lizz there running the tournament. We missed them and I know they missed us. We had yours truly, Col Bille and Steve trying to keep up with the chart, play in the tournament, do a little commentating, get in a little action and do whatever else needed to be done.



              I guess I could have forgone everything but running the tournament and it would have gone a little smoother, but I had a blast. Oh, I ran the players auction along with the Col too. I agree, five in the morning is too long, but I screwed up on not scheduling the hot seat match earlier, thinking it should be on the streamed table. If I was more organized and paying attention instead of playing and having a good time, I would have worked out the schedule so the hot seat could be streamed and still saved a couple of hours. But I didn’t.



              I am not apologizing, I did the best I could. We need a full time person keeping up with the matches and running the chart. Like last year with Matt and Lizz, not with two old farts who had a couple too many Jack and Cokes the night before.



              My old friend Bill is a little harsh, as always, and there have been some good suggestions to peruse, but the tournament did what it was supposed to do.


              Not criticizing you, sir. There’s only so much you can do given the circumstances. You did just fine in my book. I feel stupid for getting sucked into this whole trap. Like I said, I was offering help is all. I should have just shut up, as advised.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cory in dc View Post
                Here's a post I made in another thread.
                Later, I'll try to revive an old post I made before the first Members Tournament. The gyst was to use round robin groupings to winnow the field down to 8 players who would then play a single elimination bracket. I still think that would be an improvement on several fronts. It uses tables more efficiently because they are all in near-continuous use until the cut is made. More efficient use of tables means the total tournament time is reduced. Everyone gets to meet and play more people. And it's longer until the first person is eliminated. Play would continue on Saturday night until all RR brackets are completed and Sunday would have 3 rounds to determine the winner.

                I'll try to post details tonight. Last time, I think it was actually Dave Gross and Jeff Sparks who were intrigued and everybody else wanted to stick with a traditional DE.

                I also think this is something to think over and it would work out well, but eight players on the final day would still be a problem. Probably the best idea yet without changing the game. Just needs a little fine tuning.
                JOHN HENDERSON
                Al Romero Cue
                Magic Chalk

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by jrhendy View Post
                  I also think this is something to think over and it would work out well, but eight players on the final day would still be a problem. Probably the best idea yet without changing the game. Just needs a little fine tuning.
                  John,

                  Just to clear up a quick point. Eight players on Sunday would not be a problem because it would be a single elimination, That would be only three rounds, not five rounds like in the double elimination.
                  The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by jrhendy View Post
                    I also think this is something to think over and it would work out well, but eight players on the final day would still be a problem. Probably the best idea yet without changing the game. Just needs a little fine tuning.
                    The key difference is that the 8 players are in a single-elimination tournament. Three rounds, period. I've come around to the simple Grady rule: fourth uptable ball gets spotted. We could do that globally or at the 2 hour mark in any match. I think that if everyone knows that's coming, they'll play it a few times locally and know how to adapt.

                    I was watching this year, but I went to the first two and I'll be at the next one.
                    "LOL ... judging by your shot selections you play good" -- Hacker, September 29, 2015.

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                    • #40
                      I don't know why you are blaming yourself John. The fact is all three have ran very late on the last day. This one was just a few hours later. That obviously has to change. I'm sure there isn't one person except maybe Ky. Bill who would prefer a 3:00 am finish on a Sunday night after a three day tournament. Using the same format it has happened every single tournament...This isn't an anomaly. Having our friends Matt and Lizz there would not have helped when there are too many matches scheduled for the last day. One thing nobody has mentioned is we only had 23 verified members there this year. Jay Helfert made a very good post about changes needed. Maybe we should all listen...

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                      • #41
                        Does something need to be done?

                        Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View Post
                        ...One thing nobody has mentioned is we only had 23 verified members there this year.

                        Caught me off guard, thought you meant only 23 total players at first.
                        Last edited by youngstownkid; 06-04-2018, 11:01 PM.

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                        • #42
                          This was my first .org tournament and being a newbie I have little to complain about. Fact is I had a great time and for someone that goes to bed early and early rise on a daily bases I found myself up late every night, 1 or 2 am. It was not because I was playing well and winning money, instead I lost my ass in everything I did, but had a great time. John took the time to teach me how to play golf and Billy must of seen all the fun I was having and had to get some. I played pool 11 to 12 hours straight each day and did not want to stop. The tournament seems to be for members that come to participate, how it plays out for members to view on stream, well secondary. Several members like Nick, John, Kevin, Chris, Billy, Frank, Walt and many I can’t remember thier names give me good advice and great encouragement when I would make a descent shot or gin a two railer or bank on the 6x12 snooker table. This tournament renewed life in pool that has been lost for some time. I thank Steve and all of you for making this happpen..... I witnessed your truly a brotherhood, an unselfish bunch of guys All pitching in to make this happen. I’m all in...... knuckles

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                          • #43
                            Does something need to be done?

                            Originally posted by Knuckles54 View Post
                            This was my first .org tournament and being a newbie I have little to complain about. Fact is I had a great time and for someone that goes to bed early and early rise on a daily bases I found myself up late every night, 1 or 2 am. It was not because I was playing well and winning money, instead I lost my ass in everything I did, but had a great time. John took the time to teach me how to play golf and Billy must of seen all the fun I was having and had to get some. I played pool 11 to 12 hours straight each day and did not want to stop. The tournament seems to be for members that come to participate, how it plays out for members to view on stream, well secondary. Several members like Nick, John, Kevin, Chris, Billy, Frank, Walt and many I can’t remember thier names give me good advice and great encouragement when I would make a descent shot or gin a two railer or bank on the 6x12 snooker table. This tournament renewed life in pool that has been lost for some time. I thank Steve and all of you for making this happpen..... I witnessed your truly a brotherhood, an unselfish bunch of guys All pitching in to make this happen. I’m all in...... knuckles


                            Big Mitch it was such a pleasure meeting you and Donna. You are a gentleman and a good player! Look forward to seeing you two again! A speed pool rematch perhaps. 👍
                            Mitch needs to remember to play the score and that it's better to win than to look like a hero.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View Post
                              I don't know why you are blaming yourself John. The fact is all three have ran very late on the last day. This one was just a few hours later. That obviously has to change. I'm sure there isn't one person except maybe Ky. Bill who would prefer a 3:00 am finish on a Sunday night after a three day tournament. Using the same format it has happened every single tournament...This isn't an anomaly. Having our friends Matt and Lizz there would not have helped when there are too many matches scheduled for the last day. One thing nobody has mentioned is we only had 23 verified members there this year. Jay Helfert made a very good post about changes needed. Maybe we should all listen...
                              Fk all you guys. Dont single me out because I think the tournament went as planned and went well. Now you idiots have Gentleman John trying to shoulder the blame from people complaining who werent even there. John you did nothing wrong except put your heart and soul in it to make it a great tournament. I apologize John for the people who are offended that an amatuer tournament did not fit into their schedule that you feel you have to shoulder the blame. Ill say this again, if you werent there, you have nothing to complain about. You could have put it on your DVD player and watched it today. Yes I am being harsh because it is bullshit so many couch potatoes have so much to complain about a tournament they were too cheap to attend. We let some players attend like last year who will be good members again. People we all knew who either have been members past or just recently joined, like Howard K. As far as me being the only one, Im the only one being vocal about it and Im fed up with the bullshit. I dont care if it went to three or five because in each tournament I have gone to bed early because Ive seen every shot imaginable for fifty years and pool tournaments dont excite me, especially an amatuer tournament. My excitement came from seeing so many players from OP.Org at my home court. I pushed this place for three years and you cannot imagine my joy at seeing all the happy faces eating rice bowls and enjoying the room so imagine my dismay when I get home and see so much drivel. I got off OP.org before and it looks like Im doing it again. You guys want to know why OP.Org tournaments last so long, we are amatuers. Ask Hendy how late his tournaments last in Sacamento. One time he told me it was 6am. Its nearly always past two. If you want a tournament to end on time, watch the Super Bowl. Ill see ya, NOT.
                              Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                                Where do you get I’m trying to dictate, I’m not the one demanding change to a successful private event that no one in the world of pool cares two cents about except mostly the two that won.The final match did start at 1pm didn’t it? There is nothing wrong with the set up. There were two matches on the winners side, and two matches on the losers side at 11 am.
                                What would be a better start to the final day, one match? Two? What do you want? You had one of the longest matches in the whole tournament, 5 hours. Maybe the solution is to end each match at two hours with whom ever is ahead. There’s a suggested solution. It’s all BULLSHIT. It doesn’t have anything to do with being cool, romantic, traditional, old school, new school or anything else. It has everything to do with bragging rights and having a good time. I will put it to a vote for the members that went, not the couch potatoes who want to gripe that they just had to watch an amateur tournament to see the finish. People who were watching are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Friday went as planned. Saturday went as planned. Sunday started out as well as it could, two matches each side, and went a little sideways. SO WHAT? Shut up again because there is NO problem. It’s a members tournament for the ones who want to go, ONCE a year. It’s like NEW YEARS. People who don’t drink go out and get drunk. This is OP.Orgs New Years. It’s fine the way it is. I’ll bet you this and lay you odds, the members that went had a good time and would not change a thing. (contrarians as yourself don’t get a vote) The members who just had to stay up late for one night want to change the whole format, number of wins losses, time played, you name it. I say it’s like voting for where the tournament is going to be held, if you don’t plan to go, you don’t get a vote. How much you willing to bet, I still have money left. I’ll even play you even for it, with a shot clock for you. I don’t need one because I’m thinking three shots ahead. By the way Mike, I wish we could have spent more time talking instead of just meeting in the bathroom.
                                Agreed, Bill, I wish we had had time to talk more or even play a bit, because I have a feeling we'd become friends, but missing all of Sunday, having to drive an hour each way each day, playing 5 matches, working on Friday morning before coming in, and then being too busy with what turned into a marathon match with Kevin didn't leave me any time for hanging out or getting into action with anyone.

                                One of the reasons I like the round robin idea is that we'd all get a chance to play more players, and we'd all be guaranteed to play at least 14 match games (groups of 8, 7 matches each, sets of 2 games) whereas with the traditional format no player is guaranteed to play more than 6 games. I know that more than a few of our members went 3-0 twice and that was their tournament. Wouldn't it be more fun for everyone, and help justify the commitment of time and money to travel to and play this tournament, if everyone got to play more matches and games under tournament conditions?


                                Pray tell how you think 3 shots ahead when you have no idea what your opponent is going to do or what the table will look like when you get back to the table?


                                And when we do next meet somewhere outside of the john, and plan to match up somehow, I'm more than happy to play you with a chess clock. How about 20 minutes each? And don't come begging asking for a spot either...

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