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    I finally had a chance to speak to Michael yesterday on my drive home from work and as Steve pointed out in another thread he is interested in being considered for hosting our tourney next year!

    I am sure I will leave some stuff out but here are the things I know:

    Website:
    https://www.michaelsbilliards.com/

    - Open 24 hours on Friday and Saturday (there is always action to be had at all levels)

    - They only have (11) 9' Diamond tables which he said 10 are good to use for the tourney. However, he said in most of the tourneys, the magic number for 32 players is 8 tables. I told him we usually use more and sometimes matches can run longer so the more we can get the better. Is 10 enough for our tourney?

    - $15 green fees would cover us for the entire tourney.

    - It's non-smoking (everywhere in Ohio)

    - Calcutta is ok!

    - They have finger foods, hot sandwiches, drinks at the counter but there are also lots of places close by to eat at as well.

    - about 40-45 minutes from CVG Airport

    - There are several hotels within a few miles of the pool room and I think most average about $80-$100 a night. I will see if there is any chance on getting a special rate at one of them.

    - Goldy has his cameras set up in there so I am sure we would have the stream part covered, not sure whats all involved in getting a booth set up and going for commentary.

    - Locals will do a lot of bank ring games and by the rail games for those interested in bumps as well.

    - They also have a 3 cushion table (not heated), a 10 footer and a bunch of bar tables. They have 2 or 3 of the 9 footer tables with tighter pockets that he only allows one pocket to be played on so we could use these for finals, etc.


    I think that's all I have for now, but as long as we can make due with 10 tables, we can add Michael's to the poll for voting!


    EDIT - added Calcutta and hotel lines
    Last edited by cincy_kid; 09-27-2018, 02:21 PM.

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    Michael's Billiards, Cincinnati - possible location for 2019 member tourney

    Awesome. (It also would be great to have a regional tourney there if the members tourney ends up in Philly.)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by youngstownkid View Post
      Awesome. (It also would be great to have a regional tourney there if the members tourney ends up in Philly.)
      Good idea!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cincy_kid View Post
        I finally had a chance to speak to Michael yesterday on my drive home from work and as Steve pointed out in another thread he is interested in being considered for hosting our tourney next year!

        I am sure I will leave some stuff out but here are the things I know:

        Website:
        https://www.michaelsbilliards.com/

        - Open 24 hours on Friday and Saturday (there is always action to be had at all levels)

        - They only have (11) 9' Diamond tables which he said 10 are good to use for the tourney. However, he said in most of the tourneys, the magic number for 32 players is 8 tables. I told him we usually use more and sometimes matches can run longer so the more we can get the better. Is 10 enough for our tourney?

        - $15 green fees would cover us for the entire tourney.

        - It's non-smoking (everywhere in Ohio)

        - Calcutta is ok!

        - They have finger foods, hot sandwiches, drinks at the counter but there are also lots of places close by to eat at as well.

        - about 40-45 minutes from CVG Airport

        - There are several hotels within a few miles of the pool room and I think most average about $80-$100 a night. I will see if there is any chance on getting a special rate at one of them.

        - Goldy has his cameras set up in there so I am sure we would have the stream part covered, not sure whats all involved in getting a booth set up and going for commentary.

        - Locals will do a lot of bank ring games and by the rail games for those interested in bumps as well.

        - They also have a 3 cushion table (not heated), a 10 footer and a bunch of bar tables. They have 2 or 3 of the 9 footer tables with tighter pockets that he only allows one pocket to be played on so we could use these for finals, etc.


        I think that's all I have for now, but as long as we can make due with 10 tables, we can add Michael's to the poll for voting!


        EDIT - added Calcutta and hotel lines
        Billiard table would be fun!

        But I don't think 10 is enough unless we did 3/2 races, which I would vote against. We really need 16 to get through the first two rounds efficiently.
        "LOL ... judging by your shot selections you play good" -- Hacker, September 29, 2015.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cory in dc View Post
          Billiard table would be fun!

          But I don't think 10 is enough unless we did 3/2 races, which I would vote against. We really need 16 to get through the first two rounds efficiently.
          I know we came up with a plan for using less tables if we started a round earlier (maybe Friday night) but if it is decided that there are too few tables for our event, then it is what it is and as Mark suggested hopefully he will be as interested in a smaller 16 man regional tourney!

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          • #6
            If 16 tables is a minimum for holding a members tourney, it will eliminate a lot of great rooms - but - I think we've shown twice now that a regional works well & can be a great time to get those rooms involved. If you do have a regional in Cinci, I'd definitely be in.

            John

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            • #7
              Having 3/2 races and a slow play rule will allow a 32 player to played in any room with 8+ tables and allow for timely finishes.

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              • #8
                Michael’s

                Personally, I’d really like to have something at Michael’s. In fact, it would be my preference. The thought of having a member’s tourney on Diamonds and 1/2 day drive are my personal and selfish motivations. We have Cincy there and I think Clay Carmen (shw) plays out of that room fairly regularly now. Also, Michael Medley (don’t personally know him) but do know he’s a real player – particularly strong at banks and one pocket – imagine he’d be a great host in every aspect.

                Now, to be a bit of an objective “wet blanket.” The way that I have assimilated things is that the East is due. We’ve had the annual members tourney in the South, Midwest, and in the West. By definition, the “Midwest” is comprised of 12 states – one of which is Ohio. I’m totally in for an event there (and all things the same, it would be my personal choice) – but I think a prudent and empirical decision needs to be made: Given its geographical location, should this room be considered for the 2019 annual tournament location?

                Moving Forward

                I think the fact that we’ve got rooms throughout the country that are willing and able to host onepocket.org is a good problem to have. Who’s to say the evolution of this isn’t to have three or four events a year? For example, Bill Rowsey told me point blank, his preference would be April or October to do something at his room moving forward (which practically means April given that the seniors – a huge contingent of our membership – have their event in October….).

                Format

                As for format, I understand the want to have races 3/3. But that just hasn’t gone well. We showed last weekend just how much 3/2 moves things along. I also believe sets over 2 hours need a mechanism to speed them up. Even though the “Grady Rule” was employed last weekend, I’m not sold on it and think that it might fundamentally change the strategy of the game too much – I saw this in a match between Youngstownkid and Nick B. In the future, I’d lean towards (A) only spotting balls in the kitchen -or- (B) a derivative of what OneRock has employed: if a match goes over 2 hours, the next game is to 6 balls instead of 8.

                For the purists who view things in the “that’s not one pocket!” absolute – if we stay at 3/3 with no mechanism to speed things up – then in my opinion, we’ve got to get started at least a day earlier with 32 man fields and that might impair travel, disposable funds, work, family, etc. logistics for a lot of members. And don’t forget the room owners and their needs/ability to host as well.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Miller View Post
                  Michael’s

                  Personally, I’d really like to have something at Michael’s. In fact, it would be my preference. The thought of having a member’s tourney on Diamonds and 1/2 day drive are my personal and selfish motivations. We have Cincy there and I think Clay Carmen (shw) plays out of that room fairly regularly now. Also, Michael Medley (don’t personally know him) but do know he’s a real player – particularly strong at banks and one pocket – imagine he’d be a great host in every aspect.

                  Now, to be a bit of an objective “wet blanket.” The way that I have assimilated things is that the East is due. We’ve had the annual members tourney in the South, Midwest, and in the West. By definition, the “Midwest” is comprised of 12 states – one of which is Ohio. I’m totally in for an event there (and all things the same, it would be my personal choice) – but I think a prudent and empirical decision needs to be made: Given its geographical location, should this room be considered for the 2019 annual tournament location?

                  Moving Forward

                  I think the fact that we’ve got rooms throughout the country that are willing and able to host onepocket.org is a good problem to have. Who’s to say the evolution of this isn’t to have three or four events a year? For example, Bill Rowsey told me point blank, his preference would be April or October to do something at his room moving forward (which practically means April given that the seniors – a huge contingent of our membership – have their event in October….).

                  Format

                  As for format, I understand the want to have races 3/3. But that just hasn’t gone well. We showed last weekend just how much 3/2 moves things along. I also believe sets over 2 hours need a mechanism to speed them up. Even though the “Grady Rule” was employed last weekend, I’m not sold on it and think that it might fundamentally change the strategy of the game too much – I saw this in a match between Youngstownkid and Nick B. In the future, I’d lean towards (A) only spotting balls in the kitchen -or- (B) a derivative of what OneRock has employed: if a match goes over 2 hours, the next game is to 6 balls instead of 8.

                  For the purists who view things in the “that’s not one pocket!” absolute – if we stay at 3/3 with no mechanism to speed things up – then in my opinion, we’ve got to get started at least a day earlier with 32 man fields and that might impair travel, disposable funds, work, family, etc. logistics for a lot of members. And don’t forget the room owners and their needs/ability to host as well.
                  3/3 is nice, but I would rather play 3/2 than start changing the way the game is played to save some time. If the tournament moves along you could always go back to 3/3 for the final four players. I have never cared for Grady rules or spotting balls out of the kitchen either. I appreciate that tournaments are a long grind, but dont change the rules, shorten the race on the one loss side.

                  Great post and I will be happy to go to either room we choose.
                  JOHN HENDERSON
                  Al Romero Cue
                  Magic Chalk

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by youngstownkid View Post
                    Awesome. (It also would be great to have a regional tourney there if the members tourney ends up in Philly.)
                    You would have a completing tournament rather than going to Philly?
                    Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                    • #11
                      I prefer Cincinnati only because they have great a German food section of town. Cincinnati is also know for its chili and that would also be an attraction for me. 3/3 is what I would like to see. Keep it the same. I know that members who have gone to tournaments dont care about time restraints because being around the other members is too much fun. We had some very deliberate players make it to the finals last year and that is part of the game. Uptable games take longer, do we eliminate them? No where in the future do I see a need to change the rules of One Pocket to suit a minority because they bitch the loudest. We are One Pocket. Org and as the only group to play tournaments representing how one pocket is supposed to be played, do we find a need to change the rules? If your one of those that has a urgent need to change the rules of one pocket, start your own web site and have your own tournaments. Want a fast game of one pocket, shoot like its nine ball. What happened to the two places in the Northeast? Steve?
                      Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                        I prefer Cincinnati only because they have great a German food section of town. Cincinnati is also know for its chili and that would also be an attraction for me. 3/3 is what I would like to see. Keep it the same. I know that members who have gone to tournaments dont care about time restraints because being around the other members is too much fun. We had some very deliberate players make it to the finals last year and that is part of the game. Uptable games take longer, do we eliminate them? No where in the future do I see a need to change the rules of One Pocket to suit a minority because they bitch the loudest. We are One Pocket. Org and as the only group to play tournaments representing how one pocket is supposed to be played, do we find a need to change the rules? If your one of those that has a urgent need to change the rules of one pocket, start your own web site and have your own tournaments. Want a fast game of one pocket, shoot like its nine ball. What happened to the two places in the Northeast? Steve?
                        A tournament that runs past 10:00 pm on a Sunday night is a poorly run tournament for both the players and spectators. When it continually runs well past midnight for no other reason than stubbornness its no longer sustainable and to be honest its a joke. The fact you can't see that i just don't know what to say Bill. We proved in Memphis that 3/2 races work great. We also sold out that tournament in a few days... If the powers that be or the general membership continue to make these tournaments so expensive and such a time consuming grind you will continue to see a drop off in player entries like in Cali. The fact you don't want what others see as a broken tournament format fixed and tell the folks who don't happen to agree with you to leave is very telling.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                          I prefer Cincinnati only because they have great a German food section of town. Cincinnati is also know for its chili and that would also be an attraction for me. 3/3 is what I would like to see. Keep it the same. I know that members who have gone to tournaments dont care about time restraints because being around the other members is too much fun. We had some very deliberate players make it to the finals last year and that is part of the game. Uptable games take longer, do we eliminate them? No where in the future do I see a need to change the rules of One Pocket to suit a minority because they bitch the loudest. We are One Pocket. Org and as the only group to play tournaments representing how one pocket is supposed to be played, do we find a need to change the rules? If your one of those that has a urgent need to change the rules of one pocket, start your own web site and have your own tournaments. Want a fast game of one pocket, shoot like its nine ball. What happened to the two places in the Northeast? Steve?
                          Wild Bill, everything doesn't got to go off the rails or be a zero sum argument. It's just a discussion my man.....

                          Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View Post
                          A tournament that runs past 10:00 pm on a Sunday night is a poorly run tournament for both the players and spectators. When it continually runs well past midnight for no other reason than stubbornness its no longer sustainable and to be honest its a joke. The fact you can't see that i just don't know what to say Bill. We proved in Memphis that 3/2 races work great. We also sold out that tournament in a few days... If the powers that be or the general membership continue to make these tournaments so expensive and such a time consuming grind you will continue to see a drop off in player entries like in Cali. The fact you don't want what others see as a broken tournament format fixed and tell the folks who don't happen to agree with you to leave is very telling.
                          Exactly.

                          Originally posted by jrhendy View Post
                          3/3 is nice, but I would rather play 3/2 than start changing the way the game is played to save some time. If the tournament moves along you could always go back to 3/3 for the final four players. I have never cared for Grady rules or spotting balls out of the kitchen either. I appreciate that tournaments are a long grind, but dont change the rules, shorten the race on the one loss side.

                          Great post and I will be happy to go to either room we choose.
                          I think that that 3/2 would be a good move forward for the annual members tournament. Seems sensible.

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                          • #14
                            Michael's Billiards, Cincinnati - possible location for 2019 member tourney

                            Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                            You would have a completing tournament rather than going to Philly?


                            I assume you meant a competing tourney, but I don’t understand why it would be competing, as I assume we would not schedule it in the same season. Do you see a problem with have a regional there in the fall?

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                            • #15
                              I understand about Ohio being midwest but I guess I think of it more like EST, MST, PST (time zones) so I always considered myself on the east coast.

                              In any case, whatever we decide moving forward I am good with. I do think a regional tourney would be cool and since they only have 10 or 11 tables, it might be a perfect fit! If we do decide to eliminate Ohio from the "east" running, it may be a good idea to have a list for which states would be considered "south, east, west and midwest" or whatever categories we choose. This will help eliminate any problems in the future when picking rooms. We can add it to the website on the member's tourney page:

                              http://www.onepocket.org/members-tournament/

                              Also, a regional tourney wouldn't be scheduled the same time as a regular member's tourney Bill, at least if we can help it, I am sure!

                              And one last thing, if we do eliminate Michael's' as a potential candidate for 2019, do we just have 1 room that's in the running? Mitch, unless I missed it, are they on board already?

                              Steve, status of NE rooms?

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