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  • Unifying Format/Seniors 2019

    I have read the many threads on the Seniors event and there is no format consensus for next years Seniors event being developed. So this thread is dedicated to that goal.
    First I think it is important to establish just what the players goals are in attending Seniors. There seems to a somewhat divide as to whether it is to play more in the tournament vs. time to match up and socialize, and also exhaustion is of course a main factor to consider especially for those that remain in the tournament. I feel much consideration has to given to this situation.

    Some suggestions to date;
    Shot clock, and wider pockets, these have been pretty well discussed but are open for further discussions,
    Starting play earlier on Friday & Saturday,
    Playing a 3/2 format final day, or 3/3 with one loss side winner break,
    Starting a day earlier,
    Players out of tournament first day is ok, or not a desired goal,
    mr3cushion brought up RR format, this has been thoroughly discussed in a previous thread pertaining to MOT, but is open to further discuss.
    I brought up going to a single elimination 8 player bracket on Sunday,
    Playing later into the night on Friday and Saturday, and getting down to 4 players on Sunday.

    This is not a thread to discuss specific game rules, that is a dead end street and not beneficial.

    My role is to keep this on track, a little arbitrating, but what I hope is that members respond well to suggestions so everyone knows how they feel, for a lot of times suggestions or questions are just left hanging. Input about the Senior event is much needed, such as starting times, ending times, and when rounds 1,2,3, and so forth ended, this will let us know how much free time players had to socialize, match up and so forth.

    We need to narrow this down to a few format suggestions that there seems to be a consensus on, so players going into next year Seniors have some bases to make decisions on how they want their tournament to proceed! thanks, Whitey

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    We don’t need a discussion on next years Seniors event. It’s not a OPOrg event.
    Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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    • #3
      Why isn't the, 'Senior tournament' NOT a OPOrg event? What the reason?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
        We don’t need a discussion on next years Seniors event. It’s not a OPOrg event.
        Then when and how does a format get determined? Who is the TD. What does Bogie's say about starting a day early. Who is going to decide whether our players play into the wee mornings of Monday and exhaust them, or not? I'd like to know, for all I know is that there have been many forums on this topic on OnePocket.org.

        I would know more answers if I could of attended, but I did not so I am asking for answers! Whitey

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
          Then when and how does a format get determined? Who is the TD. What does Bogie's say about starting a day early. Who is going to decide whether our players play into the wee mornings of Monday and exhaust them, or not? I'd like to know, for all I know is that there have been many forums on this topic on OnePocket.org.

          I would know more answers if I could of attended, but I did not so I am asking for answers! Whitey

          It's a Bogies event so Bogies will decide. Regarding another day, they haven't been asked, but it's expensive for them to turn 8 of their best tables over 24/7.

          Discussions about it here are still appropriate because they may help us find the process we prefer; if we let Bogies know what that is, it will definitely be considered.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mr3cushion View Post
            Why isn't the, 'Senior tournament' NOT a OPOrg event? What the reason?
            The Seniors tournament was a collaboration between Jeff Sparks and John Rizzo with support of then Bogies Owner David Richardson. The first Seniors event was promoted by Jeff as the Super Seniors Social Security Tournament and stipulated a 70 minimum age requirement.

            Jeff then began floating the idea for the tournament and its parameters on onepocket.org shortly after he joined up on the forums here. There were also some side discussions on AZbilliards at the time but mostly on onepocket.org

            The event was so successful that no one could wait for a whole year to have it again and Dave Richardson at Bogies offered a Seniors Event (65 min age) the following April with the Super Seniors to reconvene in October.

            The popularity seemed to increase so Bogies committed to hold the two tournaments in tandem Spring and Fall. However, Hurricane Harvey put a dent in the schedule. Dave was hit hard by the hurricane and decided to discontinue the Super Seniors and only hold the Seniors.

            This year, Bogies new owner recommitted to running the tournament. It has grown from an inital 24-player event to a 44 player event on the same eight tables. The Seniors tournament is not a onepocket.org event even though a lot of 1P.o players participate.

            It is a Bogies event. The rules and format established at Bogies and during the first players meeting, provided the tournament director, and provided streaming services for it (in addition to the services of Kentucky who seems to be linked well with Goldy).

            I seem to remember Kentucky getting hit with a high dose of food poisoning at the event one time. Bogies Assistant Manager Adam Cooper took over the reigns of Bills streaming equipment while he was languished in one of Houston's fine hospital Establishments. The worst part about it was that Kentucky hasn't stopped lambasting Texas BBQ ever since. Oh well, next time I see him I'll have to take him out to the right place for dinner. I'll even drive...I know the spots to hit.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LSJohn View Post
              It's a Bogies event so Bogies will decide. Regarding another day, they haven't been asked, but it's expensive for them to turn 8 of their best tables over 24/7.

              Discussions about it here are still appropriate because they may help us find the process we prefer; if we let Bogies know what that is, it will definitely be considered.
              LS, agreed, I was typing my last reply but it got in after yours. Glad to see we're on the same page.

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              • #8
                While we are on this topic, how much would it cost a proprietor to tailor the pockets to the desired size for a particular event? Seems like a real financial consideration to fix eight tables. Assuming all six pockets, surely. What could the Dominguez guys tell us about that?
                If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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                • #9
                  This is what I would like to see
                  Final day four players
                  Auction night we have enough time for two rounds of winners
                  I don’t know of one person who went who complained about being tired or too exhausted
                  Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                  • #10
                    I don’t know if anyone watched but there was a 16 person pro one pocket event that I believe lasted one day
                    Not sure of that, maybe two days
                    Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                      This is what I would like to see
                      Final day four players
                      Auction night we have enough time for two rounds of winners
                      Yep.

                      there was a 16 person pro one pocket event that I believe lasted one day
                      Not sure of that, maybe two days
                      It was parts of two days. Single elimination, race to 5.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vapros View Post
                        While we are on this topic, how much would it cost a proprietor to tailor the pockets to the desired size for a particular event? Seems like a real financial consideration to fix eight tables. Assuming all six pockets, surely. What could the Dominguez guys tell us about that?
                        I don't think it's realistic, but the Artemis 66 Intercontinental cushions pro length cut are becoming the standard, Europe and the US. It's allot to ask of a pool room owner to incur the cost if new cushions, unless it's a players room. But, in the long run, standardizing the cushions world wide, is perfect. I think the cup size in Golf is the same anywhere on the planet.
                        Bill Meacham
                        WBT
                        www.worldbilliardtour.com
                        no link....

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                        • #13
                          One thing to consider about the pocket size is, someone mentioned the pockets being bigger a DCC. The same players would be slow there.~T

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                            This is what I would like to see
                            Final day four players
                            Auction night we have enough time for two rounds of winners
                            I don’t know of one person who went who complained about being tired or too exhausted
                            auction could start before 7(ie 2pm or noon )
                            more time to play
                            just sayin

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                            • #15
                              LsJohn and Disco Dave, I want to thank you for the information on Bogies. It is very helpful.
                              For me there are two suggestions that I believe at this point would not cause to much waves with the participating players.

                              1. to start a day early. This would need to be researched with Bogies. Of course if this is an imposition for Bogies it would not be a suggestion! Helpfully someone can take up this cause to get it resolved, or possibly the answer is already known! Or this might be to much to ask for, I do not know the situation!

                              2. starting earlier on Friday and Saturday. I can not at this point see what could be objectionable about this, other than play running late into the night with an early start. I would think this needs to be considered. For instance on Sunday; do we need to get down to four players, go to 3/2 or 3/3 winner break on one loss side, or go to a single elimination on Sunday.

                              I am amazed that only 8 tables were used, for as far as I can figure out by the brackets and trying to keep track how the tournament was progressing, it seemed to be on schedule during Friday and Saturday. Could someone exemplify this! I think it would be very helpful in trying to determine a format going forth.

                              As far as the rails used and size of pockets that is totally of course a Bogies business and financial call. I do believe Diamond does offer a high bred table with Artemis rails, and possible in some of their events make a few available. I kinda heard this. I do know these rails are not low budget.
                              thanks everyone!
                              Last edited by Dennis "Whitey" Young; 11-02-2018, 11:12 PM.

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