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Originally posted by mr3cushion View PostIt's very simple! The games are a certain # of points in RR (brackets) prelims. A certain time is allowed, (only for scheduling)! Lets say, 32 players, the room has 4 tables, 4 flights of 8 players. The TOP 3 players, W/L advance to a 12 player, semifinals, 4 flights of 3 players, the TOP player in each group advances to a 4 man singleelimination Final!
Depending on the level of players, it will determine the time allowed for each game, with B players, 1 hr. for 20 point prelims. With 25 point semifinals, 1.25 hrs. and 30 point Finals 1.5 hrs.
The MOST important factor in RR format is the number of tables available, so matches can continually flow, without empty tables waiting for other players to finish! This IS the problem dblelimination. With RR you create the # of flights around the # of tables and then the # of players in each flight!
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Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View PostSo how would any of this translate into a one pocket tournament with uncertain start/ finish times and a blind draw. Would we need to seed and put time limits on games to be assured of a finish time at the end of two days? With 14 games each we are talking about 224 games in two days
Once again, if you take the TOP 2 in each of the 8 prelim flights, we have 16 going into the, semifinals. Which would consist of 4 flights of 4 (ALL the players in the semi's at one time) playing on 8 tables! 7.5 hours for semifinals. The top player in each of those 4 flights will go to 4 man, singleelimination Finals! 5 hrs. for finals, including 3 & 4 playing for those positions.
Allowing approximately, 2.5 hrs per matchLast edited by mr3cushion; 11042018, 02:50 PM.
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Originally posted by mr3cushion View PostWith all do respect, how did you come up with each player playing 14 games, I forgot, also 224 games in 2 days? When if you have 32 players, 8 flights of 4 players in the prelims, that's 3 matches ONLY played by EVERY player in the field in the prelims! 15 hrs for prelims.
Once again, if you take the TOP 2 in each of the 8 prelim flights, we have 16 going into the, semifinals. Which would consist of 4 flights of 4 (ALL the players in the semi's at one time) playing on 8 tables! 7.5 hours for semifinals. The top player in each of those 4 flights will go to 4 man, singleelimination Finals! 5 hrs. for finals, including 3 & 4 playing for those positions.
Allowing approximately, 2.5 hrs per matchLast edited by crabbcatjohn; 11042018, 03:05 PM.
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Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View PostSo how would any of this translate into a one pocket tournament with uncertain start/ finish times and a blind draw. Would we need to seed and put time limits on games to be assured of a finish time at the end of two days? With 14 games each we are talking about 224 games in two days
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Originally posted by crabbcatjohn View PostJust following lsjohns post saying we would be guaranteed 14 games each if we played 48 player groups playing ea player in the group a race to two. It would actually be more like 250 games but who's counting....lol I didnt realize there were 3 or 4 different plans for the RR. I know now..lol. maybe the RR guys should all get together and come up with a single format then propose that so it's not as confusing...Last edited by mr3cushion; 11042018, 04:16 PM.
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Originally posted by mr3cushion View PostConsider the source! NO ONE in the world would run a 1 pocket event with 32 players and 4 flights of 8! It's utterly ridiculous!!!! And he says 14 games each! How do you get to play 14 game with ONLY 8 players in a bracket? In RR format you don't play each other twice!Just once, that's why it's RR format! It'
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Crabbcatjohn,
RR, are you thinking for possible use in your tournament, when you state to mr3cushion;"RR in two days"?
I believe you had what, 23 players or so, and did a bank pool tourney on Friday, "very nice", and all day play OP on Sat. and Sun. with player's rounds finished respectfully on each day and had no player dissatisfied. Hard to change that format.
With a safe guard in place for matches running behind schedule you may pull it off with a small player field in two days, depending on how many tables you had to work with. RR does take time and I believe it would hard to match your results given the same factors to work with, within two days. A 16 player entry may work?
Here is for 32 players 1st. rd. 4 groups of 8 players playing each other player 2 games for 7rds. = 14 games total for each player.
Based on 45min.1hr/game = 101/2 hrs.14hrs. of playing time. Take the top 4 from each group (16) to advance. Keep in mind that is with 16 tables at the MOT. But it does give you a time factor for 45 min.  1hr. / game. WhiteyLast edited by Dennis "Whitey" Young; 11042018, 03:45 PM.
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You can't handle the truth!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA
The simple truth is that you can convey the simple truth, but apparently the truth isn’t so simple for some – maybe they’re just simple….
Incorporate the four points illustrated in post #1 and its simple.
Carry on……
(Regarding RR – that’s a whole other animal and discussion. And let’s be simply truthful – it won’t ever fly for the annual members tourney. It’s perfect for a small regional event and anyone who is willing should simply step up and “make it happen.” Cory has everything put together and ready to go.)
Last edited by Miller; 11042018, 05:46 PM.
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Originally posted by Miller View Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA
The simple truth is that you can convey the simple truth, but apparently the truth isn’t so simple for some – maybe they’re just simple….
Incorporate the four points illustrated in post #1 and its simple.
Carry on……
(Regarding RR – that’s a whole other animal and discussion. And let’s be simply truthful – it won’t ever fly for the annual members tourney. It’s perfect for a small regional event and anyone who is willing should simply step up and “make it happen.” Cory has everything put together and ready to go.)
Math doesn't lie! A RR format for 32,36,40 or 48 players is far less time consuming than True Dbl elimination! I'm feeling some don't really understand the concept of, never having a table open or waiting on other players matches to end with the RR!
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