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  • #16
    whitey
    i have seen shane in tournament play use his stick to "double the distance" mirror system aim a kick
    i know of no rule that makes it illegal

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gulfportdoc View Post
      I can see why he puts the "projected CB position" at the same distance from the side rail as is the OB. But how does he determine the initial line through the CB to the rail? How is he gauging where to point the cue stick? Is it just a guesstimate?

      ~Doc
      Kind of an edumacated guesstimate...

      One way is to hold your cue so it passes over the CB and pivot it (at the CB) until it points to the rail contact point that appears to be halfway between the OB and the "ghost" CB.

      More automatic: measure the OB's off-table mirror image (using your stick) and sight from there back through the rail toward the CB to find the rail contact point - same result; no estimating.

      pj
      chgo

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
        Doc, I went on line to Billiards; Mirror Image Aiming Method, and there are a few videos by Dr. Dave. In this case that PJ posted, the method used is to measure from the center of the ob to the diamond line and double it.
        I don't follow this - can you expand a little? How do you find the "center of the diamond line"?

        pj
        chgo

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        • #19
          Doc, I think the cue stick will always be pointed at the object ball and perpendicular to the table and is only used to find the 'spot on the wall.' A line from the 'spot' back to the cue ball crosses the cushion at the contact point. That's my understanding, anyway.
          If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
            I don't follow this - can you expand a little? How do you find the "center of the diamond line"?

            pj
            chgo
            I think your confusion is of a mis-quote nature or mis-read nature! I never said; "center of the diamond line"! I said; "center of the ob".

            I hope this clears this up for you! Whitey

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
              ...the method used is to measure from the center of the ob to the diamond line and double it. From that point to the cue ball is the aiming line.
              Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
              I don't follow this - can you expand a little? How do you find the "center of the diamond line"?
              Originally posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
              I think your confusion is of a mis-quote nature or mis-read nature! I never said; "center of the diamond line"! I said; "center of the ob".

              I hope this clears this up for you! Whitey
              Sorry for the misquote, but I don't get what "measure from the center of the ob to the diamond line and double it" means. Measure to where on the diamond line? Double what?

              pj
              chgo

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
                Sorry for the misquote, but I don't get what "measure from the center of the ob to the diamond line and double it" means. Measure to where on the diamond line? Double what?

                pj
                chgo

                I'm not sure, PJ, but the many times I saw SVB use the stick measure double system, it was like here.. You see the exact spot on the one ball where it needs to be contacted to go in the pocket, then measure over to the rail, then double that distance on over and shoot a line from there to see where to shoot jojo into the rail to make it.. So use running English and follow the dashed line and it should go..I think my line into the rail is crooked..Fukk. I'm not going back.. You get it..

                "Born Into This"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jimmy B View Post
                  I'm not sure, PJ, but the many times I saw SVB use the stick measure double system, it was like here.. You see the exact spot on the one ball where it needs to be contacted to go in the pocket, then measure over to the rail, then double that distance on over and shoot a line from there to see where to shoot jojo into the rail to make it.. So use running English and follow the dashed line and it should go..I think my line into the rail is crooked..Fukk. I'm not going back.. You get it..
                  Doh! Of course that's it - don't know why it didn't dawn on me.

                  Thanks, Jimmy! Sorry for the confusion, Whitey!

                  pj
                  chgo

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                  • #24
                    I came up with something similar to PJ's post, years ago. Draw a line through ghost ball, at contact point, to the rail. This would be where my GREY line would start, but I use my cue. With my tip at that point on the rail, I get equal distances, balls to cue. That is my angle. I step over to the cue ball and have my point on the rail

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
                      Kind of an edumacated guesstimate...

                      One way is to hold your cue so it passes over the CB and pivot it (at the CB) until it points to the rail contact point that appears to be halfway between the OB and the "ghost" CB.

                      More automatic: measure the OB's off-table mirror image (using your stick) and sight from there back through the rail toward the CB to find the rail contact point - same result; no estimating.

                      pj
                      chgo
                      That's what I thought, PJ. But I didn't want to be misunderstanding anything...

                      ~Doc

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                      • #26
                        After speaking with Larry this afternoon I realized that my last post was not well defined. I should not have called the double-distance spot a spot on the wall, which, of course, would be farther away but on the same line. Either one could could be used to locate the contact point on the cushion. And thanks to Jimmy B for the diagram.
                        If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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                        • #27
                          I would like some more clarity on what is a foul when measuring a shot. When picking up a piece of chalk to measure a kick become a foul. Would picking up a piece of chalk be a foul? At what point does measuring become a foul? The description in the first few replies makes it seem almost anything could be construed as a foul. What about it Whitey or Doc?
                          As far as kicking, I find that counting the diamonds gives me direction and looking at the other side gives me a measurement. Mostly feel for me from repetition.
                          Coyotes, Eagles, and Deer, oh my!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by vapros View Post
                            I should not have called the double-distance spot a spot on the wall
                            Heh, I use the mirror all the time and "double distance" confused me. I just think of it as the same distance outside the rail as my target is inside it.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by LSJohn View Post
                              Heh, I use the mirror all the time and "double distance" confused me. I just think of it as the same distance outside the rail as my target is inside it.
                              for me double the distance and mirror is the same thing

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Scrzbill View Post
                                I would like some more clarity on what is a foul when measuring a shot. When picking up a piece of chalk to measure a kick become a foul. Would picking up a piece of chalk be a foul? At what point does measuring become a foul? The description in the first few replies makes it seem almost anything could be construed as a foul. What about it Whitey or Doc?
                                As far as kicking, I find that counting the diamonds gives me direction and looking at the other side gives me a measurement. Mostly feel for me from repetition.
                                If you go to post #15 you'll see I did some research on your question. BCAPL/CSI - DCC allows the hand or cue stick to be used to measure, and WPA has no ruling at all so it also allows. But, you can not use something to measure gaps to see if a ball will pass thru.

                                Marking the table with chalk is an automatic foul, no need to shoot for you already committed a foul in BCAPL/CSI -DCC. WPA it is unsportsmanlike conduct - penalty most likely a foul. WPA does not allow the stick to be laid upon the table to sight a shot when the hand is no longer touching it.

                                Interesting, for when looking for these rulings, I notice WPA does have a shot clock ruling. It is 30 sec. to shoot w/ 5 sec. warning. And here we have had numerous discussions about a shot clock, and it is already in WPA rules that govern our play.
                                Take Care Buddy, Hope your getting along Better!
                                For measuring, just take a shaft and mark off the inches on it, fits right in the case anyway! Pool is not the same! LOL!!! Whitey
                                Last edited by Dennis "Whitey" Young; 02-27-2019, 08:41 AM.

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