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  • #16
    Okay, here we go. First of all, I am glad I started this discussion and I appreciate all the comments it has received, even the guy who said there is no aiming in pool. This topic has been worked over many times over many years, without much agreement between players.

    I guess I have picked a poor time to do this. My bad right eye, which has been lying inactive for 75 years, has developed a big gray and fuzzy blind spot that is at the corner of my vision all the time. Signs of fatigue in the cornea says the doctor. Currently it is in a 30 day program of steroid drops that still has a week to go, but I will call tomorrow and ask if he will see me sooner. A real bummer.

    I continue to scuffle with this. Going to my left might be a bit better, but going to my right is not so good. I am not the worst player in town but my game is all about Jojo, the white ball, and so I play one-pocket. In 9 ball Hillary Clinton gives me the breaks and the last 3.

    I have seen just about all the systems. CJ Wiley divides each ball into 8 pieces (or is it 16?). There is Stan Shuffett and John Barton and a dozen others. Shane Van Boening admits to using a system that works off the edge of his ferrule but when the interviewer pressed him to demonstrate he stepped up and missed a cut shot that we know he makes 97% of the time. He noted that it was automatic for him now, after shooting the shot a thousand times. This is probably the key for most of us, but not all. Some guys come by it naturally.

    All the aiming systems have one thing in common. To make the shot you must find the contact point on the object ball and the contact point on the cue ball and then drive them together. There are different ways to do it. The CP on the OB is right there, easy to see, but the one on Jojo is out of sight and you have to do it in your mind, and therein lies the rub. If you get it wrong you miss, and sometimes I do. My best effort is to do my aiming while I am standing. Set my feet and put my stick right along the line of the shot and then go straight down and hit it. One or two practice strokes, and I am on the way. More and more I am looking right at the cue ball when I shoot. It saves me from seeing a shot picture that doesn't look quite right.

    I will scuffle on. Don't stop now - I will be glad to hear what you are thinking.
    If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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    • #17
      Bill, I believe that the great ball pocketers DO NOT use any aiming system. First they are gifted, they have wonderful strokes that allow them to deliver the cueball exactly where they are aiming. Add to that they have played and practiced hitting/pocketing balls over and over again the point that their sub conscience mind knows exactly where to aim. You don't think these great players are thinking what the angle a shot is and then calculate where their cue tip edge should be aimed? No way, they feel the shot without thinking where they should be aiming they just know where they should aim and that perfect stroke delivers the cueball to the spot that make the ball.


      Now Im not saying that systems don't work, Im just saying the greats don't use them. Keith
      Last edited by sappo; 05-12-2019, 06:38 PM.

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      • #18
        that video shows how shane knows nothing about aiming he just does it naturally and that is why he shoots well. innate ability and letting his natural stoke take over and not fussing with things.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by vapros View Post
          ...
          ... My bad right eye, which has been lying inactive for 75 years, has developed a big gray and fuzzy blind spot that is at the corner of my vision all the time. Signs of fatigue in the cornea says the doctor. Currently it is in a 30 day program of steroid drops that still has a week to go, but I will call tomorrow and ask if he will see me sooner. A real bummer.
          ...
          Bill, if you haven't already, I'd recommend getting the opinion of a corneal specialist. I see one in Covington, LA (Satya Reddy), but there likely is one in BR as well. These guys are experts in corneal matters. Regular ophthalmologists see a huge variety of eye conditions, and are not particularly specialists in the cornea.

          ~Doc

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          • #20
            Thanks, Doc. My guy is Dr. Michael Morgan, and he is the top man at the Ochsner Clinic here. I'm quite sure there is a corneal specialist on the staff - I'm thinking maybe Dr. Creed - and I have confidence in both. I'll keep you posted.
            If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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            • #21
              First great player I was around said "Your first sight is your best site, like shooting a shotgun"
              Rod.

              Rodney Stephens.
              (e-mail) rod.stephens0105@att.net(e-mail) #713-973-0503 is now working

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              • #22
                Do You Hear What I Hear?

                What I hear is Vapros asking, “… what does Efren see that I don’t see? As his numero uno fan …”

                Excuse me? Okay, I totally grok that the pool world adores Efren. But numero uno fan?

                Now Efren has been my sweet babboo since I first stumbled across this sport. But I can understand the OP’s confusion — it’s a hard-knock life being a Virginia male prostitute.

                Sunny

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                • #23
                  Sunnyone

                  Finally a post again...take a little hiatus from the pool world...

                  B
                  Execution of the shot, some days I have it some days I don't...

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                  • #24
                    Sunny, your word has driven me to Google, where I learned that it is 'used mainly by the geek subculture.' Now I know something else about you.

                    And I am known today, up north in Virginia, as the gigolo emeritus. Most in the trade just sort of fade away by my age and become nobodies - nonpersons. It was a near thing.
                    If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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                    • #25
                      Honestly one of my biggest weaknesses in pool has always been simply pocketing the damn ball lol. So I 100% sympathize!! And of course it is why I only want to play pool games where I am at least a little less likely to be punished with a near miss -- like One Pocket (sometimes lol). If I play a game like 9-ball, it is only to practice pocketing, stroking and moving the cue ball.

                      I got new glasses right to my prescription a few months ago (as opposed to the generic cheap sort you can buy anywhere), and I can see better with them, but they are taking some getting used to, despite the balls being obviously clearer. It turns out that the angle of my head toward the shot slightly distorts the perception of where the ball (or pocket??) is, because if I am looking at an angle through my glasses, it shifts the sight line perception sightly. I'm hoping that just becomes a natural adjustment in time -- so it is simply my reality.

                      They are bifocals too, and I got the hard line type because the progressives that I tried nearly made me seasick. But now I'm thinking maybe I judged too quickly, because I'm wondering if with progressives more of my cue stick might stay somewhat in focus, and I'm wondering if that would help me get lined up on my shots better.

                      The problem is with being a lifetime part-time pool player like me, without the greatest gift in eye-hand coordination, no matter whatever technical improvements, aiming and/or stroke epiphanies, I am just not ever going to develop the drilled in habits developed over a million shots. It's always going to be that search for the holy grail that is going to jump up my consistency -- only to wake up the next morning and it was just another damn dream

                      Anyway, the beautiful thing is that since I discovered One Pocket about 30 years ago, I can enjoy the journey itself much more -- imperfections and all
                      "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
                      -- Strawberry Brooks

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                      • #26
                        Steve,

                        I too first tried progressive lenses and they made me seasick and dizzy. I remember first trying to play golf with my new glasses. It felt like I was always walking downhill, and when I tried to hit the little ball I whiffed over the top of it (like it was a downhill lie right on the tee box). I took em back and got the plain lenses and continued with the separate reading glasses for a while.

                        But then I grew unhappy with that arrangement, and tried the progressives again, and this time I adjusted and they worked out fine.

                        I too was drawn to OP because I got tired of hanging 9 balls in the hole and losing. I soon realized that in OP close counts, and that was great.

                        Fighting the glasses and "visions" keeps me from pocketing balls like I wanna also, and it ain't never gonna change, thus....."Shootin@urholeisOVERATED". It's the best I can do.

                        Maybe we can commiserate some in Philly while playing a little OP trying to get em close.
                        The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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                        • #27
                          I struggled for years to find a progressive lens that would allow me to see clearly both near and far when down in the shooting position.
                          I explained to the eye doc's what I wanted and they got close a couple times, but never really clear.
                          Finally, about five years ago I heard about these "Peak HD Advanced" lenses. They aren't cheap, but worth every dime.
                          I had them mounted in a pair of "Persol" model 3091-V frames that are a large round shape with the temples mounted about halfway
                          down the sides, allowing my pupils to be centered in the lens.
                          With this combination, I can clearly focus on both the cue ball and object ball at opposite ends of the table, with my chin on the cue!

                          http://summitoptical.com/wp-content/...aflet-2014.pdf

                          http://www.eyewearorders.com/prod.as...&cboCategory=2
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                          Dan

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                          • #28
                            my knowledge and moves definitely surpass my ball making ability so again, probably not the best one to comment on this but I will at least throw something out there that may help, in some way.

                            The way I first learned to aim was like most. Go behind the OB, and draw a straight line into the pocket you are trying to make it in. See where on the OB you need to hit to make that straight line, then go back to the CB and try to hit that point on the OB. Obviously you have to compensate for natural english throwing the ball but that comes with experience as we all know.

                            Fast forward many years later when I first started playing Virtual Pool 4, a game you can play on your PC that is very true to life on every aspect of billiards. Since i didn't want to press all the keys that enables you to move around the table and view different angles of the balls, I changed to a new way of aiming and it carried over to my real game and it's still how I aim today.

                            The first thing i do is look at the OB and where it needs to go and get an approximate angle in my head. Then I get behind the CB and I aim at the OB "straight on" - like I am trying to hit it full in the face in a straight line. From that point I move a little left or a little right. The more extreme cut, the further I have to move over. For slight cuts, you don't move at all. I do this for banks, cuts, everything.

                            The only exception for me is if it's an extreme cut, I do the opposite. I start aiming at the very edge of the ball and then just come in a little bit depending on how steep the cut is.

                            It may seem like it's not as dependable but for me, when i have some practice in, and am in stroke, I can make them pretty well...

                            One caveat and something I think is very important no matter what method you use to aim is "adjusting". if I am finding myself over cutting every shot, i start to purposely undercut my shots and vice versa. Some days you see them better than other days and you have to compensate for that.

                            Hope that made sense and I apologize if someone else already mentioned it, i only skimmed most of the posts in the thread.

                            Good topic though Bill!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by sappo View Post
                              Bill, I believe that the great ball pocketers DO NOT use any aiming system. First they are gifted, they have wonderful strokes that allow them to deliver the cueball exactly where they are aiming. Add to that they have played and practiced hitting/pocketing balls over and over again the point that their sub conscience mind knows exactly where to aim. You don't think these great players are thinking what the angle a shot is and then calculate where their cue tip edge should be aimed? No way, they feel the shot without thinking where they should be aiming they just know where they should aim and that perfect stroke delivers the cueball to the spot that make the ball.


                              Now Im not saying that systems don't work, Im just saying the greats don't use them. Keith
                              ^^^^^^^^This pretty much sums it up for me... For the truly gifted, I would say that you could chalk it up to natural ability and countless hours at the table, shooting every shot imaginable 1000’s of times, until they see the “hit” automatically and when they set their bridge hand on the cloth, they know instinctively if it’s in the right spot... I believe this is why you see some of the great players raise up their bridge hand and reset it, because they know it’s not right... Something else you will see if you look closely is some of the greats do a little dance with the fingers of their bridge hand... I believe this finger tweaking movement is the final adjustment to get the “feel” exactly right to pocket the shot... I also believe this is a subconscious movement, prompted by countless hours of rehearsal with the shot they are faced with...

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                              • #30
                                Bill, I don't know that I can ad anything of value to what already has been said here. Thank you for asking for my opinion though.
                                Just this; Most shots I just "see" the hit point on the ball. This is far easier to do if I've been playing consistently day in and day out for several days several hours each day. I rarely do that anymore and as a result I have many near misses. That's when I must resort to sectional aiming on shots which I fail to recognize the precise hit point. Unfortunately that system is somewhat flawed in my case.

                                There is nothing like having a straight stroke and playing hours upon hours of pool every day if you wish to pocket balls consistently. I know of no better way.

                                BTW. I remember Grady saying he had a few shots that he consistently missed a certain way. He would make a conscious effort to adjust his aim to compensate for the tendency. I've used that technique here and there and though it's not ideal it improved my percentages on those particular shots.

                                This probably didn't help but it is the way I see it.

                                Tom

                                "Controlled Aggression" trwirth369@gmail.com

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