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  • #16
    all ball foul pros and cons

    [quote=Jimmy B;261034]
    Originally posted by Mkbtank View Post
    “Just wanted to tell ya you’re sitting in my chair”...





    For a man that don't go heeled, you talk pretty reckless.. I wouldn't take it, Billy Jackets.. Get him..!!!!


    Lol. Billy is most certainly on my side of the street in my book. One of the “Regulators” if you can jump follow another reference... 😉
    Mitch needs to remember to play the score and that it's better to win than to look like a hero.

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    • #17
      [quote=Mkbtank;261038]
      Originally posted by Jimmy B View Post



      Lol. Billy is most certainly on my side of the street in my book. One of the “Regulators” if you can jump follow another reference... 😉
      OH, you know I can.. Regulators, MOUNT UP!!
      "Born Into This"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jerry matchin View Post
        I've played in three of our One Pocket Org events and this issue has never come up. Maybe it's because we play as "Gentlemen." Moving balls doesn't always help the shooter as the Barber has aptly pointed out. When playing in major event I can make a case for a rule like this being in effect. But in our events maybe not. Having passed 70 yrs of age, I tend to shake a little bit going over balls and I suspect others have the same problem. Let the opponent move an object ball back or leave it there. Of course cueball fouls are FOULS.
        You guys are mostly gentlemen , I get it, and I'm 70 and half dead so i bump a ball occasionally. I'm talking about the guys that move a ball darn near every turn at the table, and then argue about where it was, it wasn't nearly as bad in Az as it is here in Ohio. but I have been a lot of places playing and keep seeing the same crap for the last 30 years.
        The same guys always have to be told to mark up a scratch and never have any coins, any balls knocked in other pockets during their inning are somehow theirs . All the sleazy, cheesy things, some people do, because they can get away with it, with most people. Sorry if I went overboard , I'm getting to be quite intolerant of jack asses, pulling moves, in my old age.

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        • #19
          all ball foul pros and cons

          I’m used to playing call your own all ball fouls. If a ball moves, it’s hard to deny it, but there really is no solution for cheaters, except referees, and they’re not perfect either...good thing we all have day jobs lol

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          • #20
            You nerve wracking sonsabitches!

            Billie all valid points. But....
            In the room Kerley is speaking of it is place to f*ck with shooter. It is in place for the opponent to jump up and run around to watch the shot closely etc.
            The feller that instituted the all ball rule had just that in mind. I know how he thinks. I don’t play all ball fouls~T

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            • #21
              As a senior player I would almost never win a game with all ball fouls. I probably move or brush one ball in most games I play. I still often foul by moving two balls when I shoot over balls or use the rake. I have reduced this by choosing another shot when I can. I accept this and work with it because it has always been the rule.

              The people I play also accept it because they know it is going to happen sooner or later.
              JOHN HENDERSON
              Al Romero Cue
              Magic Chalk

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              • #22
                "All Fouls"....You need a ref. or game keeper. Otherwise the "Shot goes with the player"....It is the responsibility of the NON SHOOTING player to get an AGREED UPON CALLER.....to call a difficult shot OR settle other table disputes. This of course does not apply if your gambling with Mother Theresa.....But as Freddy the Beard used to say....."defend yourself at all times".

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                • #23
                  When I am trying to put down an awkward bridge my pinky finger is out of control, and sometimes it play dirty tricks on me. I have thought about taping it to the ring finger, but I think that would be worse. So it can veto the shot I am trying to reach.
                  If it ain't funny, it ain't much.

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                  • #24
                    I actually have put a lot of thought into this, recently. I agree when you are older then you accidently move balls more. I really can not remember ever fouling a ball when I was playing for real 45 yrs ago.

                    But, to maintain the historical way OP was, and to maintain it's roots, and to maintain a high standard within the rules then in the rules IMO it should state; OP is played by All Ball Fouls.

                    I believe in keeping OP rules standard as possible, with a few exceptions. Exceptions being any rule that absolutely makes common sense then should be adopted into the standard rules.

                    Rules such as; Cue Ball Foul Only & Breaker Racks for instance could be listed as 'Alternative Rules' Or 'Alternative Ways To Play'.

                    At our MOT event players meeting it can be decided whether to play 'all ball fouls' or 'cue ball foul only'. My point being; if we keep a high standard within our rules, and have a vote at MOT, what can be better than that?

                    Discussions about rules has no meaning. Since I became a member two years ago, we probably have had at least 30 rules question discussions with no results yet. It is my suggestion that Steve does a poll on pertinent rule questions, other than that it will continue to be just that; a discussion with no conclusion! Whitey
                    Last edited by Dennis "Whitey" Young; 07-19-2019, 12:06 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
                      I actually have put a lot of thought into this, recently. I agree when you are older then you accidently move balls more. I really can not remember ever fouling a ball when I was playing for real 45 yrs ago.

                      But, to maintain the historical way OP was, and to maintain it's roots, and to maintain a high standard within the rules then in the rules IMO it should state; OP is played by All Ball Fouls.

                      I believe in keeping OP rules standard as possible, with a few exceptions. Exceptions being any rule that absolutely makes common sense then should be adopted into the standard rules.

                      Rules such as; Cue Ball Foul Only & Breaker Racks for instance could be listed as 'Alternative Rules' Or 'Alternative Ways To Play'.

                      At our MOT event players meeting it can be decided whether to play 'all ball fouls' or 'cue ball foul only'. My point being; if we keep a high standard within our rules, and have a vote at MOT, what can be better than that?

                      Discussions about rules has no meaning. Since I became a member two years ago, we probably have had at least 30 rules question discussions with no results yet. It is my suggestion that Steve does a poll on pertinent rule questions, other than that it will continue to be just that; a discussion with no conclusion! Whitey
                      One pocket has always been cue ball foul, at least for the last 30 years, anyway. Can anyone remember if one pocket was ever all ball fouls in tournament play?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BRLongArm View Post
                        One pocket has always been cue ball foul, at least for the last 30 years, anyway. Can anyone remember if one pocket was ever all ball fouls in tournament play?
                        Here's some One Pocket history for you...

                        Grady's L. O. O. P. tournaments 40-45 years ago were cueball fouls only...

                        The first U.S. Open One Pocket tournaments approx. 30 years ago were also cueball fouls only...

                        And all the serious high $$$ gambling that I was around 30-50 years ago was cueball fouls only.

                        - Ghost
                        Last edited by One Pocket Ghost; 07-19-2019, 02:20 PM.
                        jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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                        • #27
                          Of course we all know that all games of pool was 'all ball fouls'. I played from '69 - '73 and that the way it was, there is absolutely no disputing that. Official BCA rules I am talking about. In '67 BCA adopted OP and that would be how in an Official BCA tournament it would be played, period!

                          In talking to Butch, the owner of Bellflower Palace, he stated that the way hustlers play this is; when you accidently disturb a ball it is not a foul unless you go ahead and shoot.

                          You can not confuse the way it 'was always played' (non-BCA sanctioned tourney), or hustling vs. how the official BCA Tournament's are played!

                          I am ok playing either way, but MOT's will always be 'cue ball foul only', and that is what matters to OP.org. Whitey
                          Last edited by Dennis "Whitey" Young; 07-19-2019, 05:04 PM.

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                          • #28
                            I can't speak for the rest of you, but I am not looking to get in an argument or dispute while I'm playing. I work all day and play for the competition of it. Money is how we keep track. To that end, I look for rules that will limit arguments or beefs.

                            These rules comport with that intent:

                            1. Rack your own. Ends arguments over slugging someone on the rack.
                            2. Re rack on a made ball ends arguments over rack mechanics. They do exist. Just ask Russian Kenny or his girlfriend.
                            3. Ball must be all the way over the line instead of base of the ball. Easier to tell, especially when a line is across the head string.
                            4. Cue foul only eliminates claims that you grazed a ball. You touch, you inform your opponent. It is his option to move it back or leave it.
                            5. No sleepers eliminates that argument. Wait a full inning after it is noticed.
                            6. Shot goes to the shooter unless a neutral party calls the shot before shot.
                            7. Unless a regular customer, always post cash.
                            8. Establish an ending time before match. Eliminates the "you quit winner" argument.

                            I have found these rules limit arguments and stress in the game. I highly recommend them to you if you are not already using them.
                            Last edited by BRLongArm; 07-19-2019, 04:56 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Red Shoes View Post
                              "All Fouls"....You need a ref. or game keeper. Otherwise the "Shot goes with the player"....It is the responsibility of the NON SHOOTING player to get an AGREED UPON CALLER.....to call a difficult shot OR settle other table disputes. This of course does not apply if your gambling with Mother Theresa.....But as Freddy the Beard used to say....."defend yourself at all times".
                              Johnny, you're too trusting....if the bet was high enough $$$$, I'd be watching dat Mother Theresa and her peeps like a hawk - and I'd make her post up too... .......

                              - Ghost
                              jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by one pocket guy View Post
                                Billie all valid points. But....
                                In the room Kerley is speaking of it is place to f*ck with shooter. It is in place for the opponent to jump up and run around to watch the shot closely etc.
                                The feller that instituted the all ball rule had just that in mind. I know how he thinks. I don’t play all ball fouls~T
                                In my experience all that noise and nonsense is usually done to try to disguise a dump.
                                There is so much confusion, and noise, and people throwing misdirections , the suckers have no clue.

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