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  • #16
    I see four ways to pocket the opponent's 10 ball: 1. Table length kick 2. Draw off the 5 ball 3. Masse the CB 4. Play off the pocket point, like the old trick shot.

    Of the four, the most reliable for me would be the table length kick. The shot does potentially leave a straight-back of the 5, especially if the CB contacts the long rail before the 10.

    If a guy has a good stroke, drawing off the 5 is a reasonable choice, because it removes the 5 from the opponent's territory. The only danger is following the 10 in with the CB.

    Playing off the pocket point is a fairly easy shot if a guy is used to that hit. It's also least likely to scratch because the CB generally contacts the short rail before the hanging ball.

    The masse is not real difficult, but it's hard to control, and also has potential for a scratch.

    Of those four choices, I'd likely take a swing at shooting off the point. I've practiced the shot, and can shoot it with a fair degree of confidence. The long rail kick is easier, but leaving a return bank would cause me pause..

    ~Doc

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    • #17
      for sure shooting off the 5 and caroming into he 10, but isn't the 10 your game winning ball Ghost? You said bottom left hand corner..looking from where?

      Either way, if its my game ball or his pocket, it's the only shot to play...given the score and ball placement.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by cincy_kid View Post
        for sure shooting off the 5 and caroming into he 10, but isn't the 10 your game winning ball Ghost? You said bottom left hand corner..looking from where?

        Either way, if its my game ball or his pocket, it's the only shot to play...given the score and ball placement.
        CK,

        If your opponent can't make another ball after pocketing the 10 ball, what do you gain by trying to pocket it for him and risking coming off the hill?

        I really don't even think it is possible to keep the 5 ball on your side of the table if you succeed in pocketing the 10 ball, and hence he has a shot he shouldn't have.

        The friendly Ghost is trying to teach here folks. Let's see what he thinks.
        The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by darmoose View Post
          CK,

          If your opponent can't make another ball after pocketing the 10 ball, what do you gain by trying to pocket it for him and risking coming off the hill?

          I really don't even think it is possible to keep the 5 ball on your side of the table if you succeed in pocketing the 10 ball, and hence he has a shot he shouldn't have.

          The friendly Ghost is trying to teach here folks. Let's see what he thinks.
          First off, I am stil not sure which pocket is the Ghosts from the description, lol...

          But ok, let's say it is the opponent pocket and I need 1 ball to win. I dont want to come off the hill no matter what. So for me it boils down to which shot I think will less likely cause a foul.

          For me personally, I think caroming off the 5 with some low RHE, into the long rail right before the pocket and make the 10. if I miss the 10, no problem, he makes it and may even get shape on the 5 depending on where it ended up, but im still the fave 7-6.

          Granted, the 1 rail kick to the 10 ball should be an easy shot fopr any of us, but i cant tell you how many times I have missed it slightly or the table rolled off or I miscued and fouled or followed it in or any number of things. Now, he gets both balls for sure plus I lose a ball so he gets the spotted ball too and probably wins from there.

          I like my odds coming off the 5.

          The only other shot I would consider is shooting the 5 long cross corner to tie it up by the other balls and just let him have the free 10 and hope he doesn't get any more.

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          • #20
            I have one question for you guys who plan on moving the 5 ball up table and allowing your opponent to pocket the 10 ball themselves.
            What makes you think that is their only option? Okay, two questions. So if they don't choose to pocket the 10, where would you want to place the 5 and cue balls and what might they do in response?

            And for those of you who want to somehow pocket the 10 ball. Do you really want to take even a slim chance of coming off the hill when your opponent needs four and two of them are currently out of play?

            Tom

            "Controlled Aggression" trwirth369@gmail.com

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            • #21
              Originally posted by One Pocket Ghost View Post
              No trick here partner - I believe there's a good lesson to be learned here - and if you don't realize that then you had better turn in your teaching credentials .....imo there's one shot that is the best choice, but it isn't necessarily the choice that most players would choose .

              Dr. Ghost
              To me there are only two choices for 1% of players, but for the other 99% of players the option with placing the 5ball as close to the 12ball preferably under it would be IMO where to go. The other option for the 1% would be to masse the cue ball to pocket the 10ball in that fashion. Even then for them it would be a tough decision.

              Sorry for my criticalness on the issue, and I apologize and am willing to learn.

              Dr. Bill
              Last edited by wincardona; 10-09-2019, 01:59 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by beatle View Post
                i assume the first picture tells us which pocket you have. and that first pic you have the last ball in your hole with it being the pocket on the left.

                that may be some confusion here. at least for me.

                but in any case anyone that cant one rail into that ball every single time isnt supposed to be on this forum. there is another forum for those that cant play.
                Really. Don't know what to say so I'm not saying anything.

                Dr. Bill

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                • #23
                  for not making it clear which pocket is mine: my pocket is the one that the cueball is sitting in...now hopefully more shot-choice responses will be coming - unless Billy and Darrell scared everybody away......

                  - Ghost
                  jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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                  • #24
                    Looks to me like he has earned that ten ball weather you make it for him or he makes it himself. Drawing off the five ball will take some power and who knows where the five ball ends up at. Also there's the possibility that you don't pocket the ten. I would just position the five ball toward the other balls that are out of play and let him have a go with the ten ball.

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                    • #25
                      If I just want to punish the guy mentally I might shoot this.
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                      • #26
                        Just moving the 5 ball doesn't get you out of the trap! Everybody is assuming that the incoming player is gonna pocket the 10 ball and release the strangle hold he has on you. Sometimes in this game you have to shoot to win and this may be one of those situations.

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                        • #27
                          The one rail kick is good here but I like the Masse because it leaves a harder bank.

                          Leaving the ball in his hole is a mistake.

                          Bill S.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tom Wirth View Post
                            I have one question for you guys who plan on moving the 5 ball up table and allowing your opponent to pocket the 10 ball themselves.
                            What makes you think that is their only option? Okay, two questions. So if they don't choose to pocket the 10, where would you want to place the 5 and cue balls and what might they do in response?

                            And for those of you who want to somehow pocket the 10 ball. Do you really want to take even a slim chance of coming off the hill when your opponent needs four and two of them are currently out of play?

                            Tom
                            Tom, you didn't say, what do you advise as to the correct shot here?

                            Old School

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tom Wirth View Post
                              I have one question for you guys who plan on moving the 5 ball up table and allowing your opponent to pocket the 10 ball themselves.
                              What makes you think that is their only option? Okay, two questions. So if they don't choose to pocket the 10, where would you want to place the 5 and cue balls and what might they do in response?

                              And for those of you who want to somehow pocket the 10 ball. Do you really want to take even a slim chance of coming off the hill when your opponent needs four and two of them are currently out of play?

                              Tom
                              Good point, Tom. I suppose after I move the 5 ball away, he could chose to do something other than pocket the 10 ball. But, I think it would be to no avail.
                              To answer your second question, I would want the 5 ball on my long rail above the kitchen line. I would shoot to not allow the 5 ball to reach those balls in the corner cause I certainly don't want to pocket a ball, and I would want the CB on his long rail anywhere below the side pocket (although I don't think it matters too much).

                              As someone else said, one certainly doesn't want to come off the hill here.
                              The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by cincy_kid View Post
                                First off, I am stil not sure which pocket is the Ghosts from the description, lol...

                                But ok, let's say it is the opponent pocket and I need 1 ball to win. I dont want to come off the hill no matter what. So for me it boils down to which shot I think will less likely cause a foul.

                                For me personally, I think caroming off the 5 with some low RHE, into the long rail right before the pocket and make the 10. if I miss the 10, no problem, he makes it and may even get shape on the 5 depending on where it ended up, but im still the fave 7-6.

                                .

                                I would have to go with the right percentage shot for ME,,, which would be this
                                "Born Into This"

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