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  • #46
    Originally posted by beatle View Post
    leaving the 10 there and putting 3 balls close togeher in the corner is a disaster waiting to happen. if all goes good you gain little and maybe less than just making the 10 now.

    if it goes wrong he may find a shot to send two or all three balls up towards his hole with the cue ball stuck on the rail there and you not smiling.
    ...

    I have yet to hear any rational for attempting to pocket the 10 ball.

    So much talk on this board about playing the score. How is it playing the score to attempt to pocket the 10 ball and taking the chance of coming off the hill, or leaving a bank on that 5 ball, as opposed to putting the 5 ball out of play?

    Ghostie loves proposition bets, so tell ya what. I'll shoot my shot and anybody on here can shoot any shot they wish to pocket the 10 ball. I will make the 5 ball in my hole in my next inning following your shot, before you can make the 10 ball and another ball on your next inning following my shot. Any foul committed loses.

    The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by beatle View Post
      leaving the 10 there and putting 3 balls close togeher in the corner is a disaster waiting to happen. if all goes good you gain little and maybe less than just making the 10 now.

      if it goes wrong he may find a shot to send two or all three balls up towards his hole with the cue ball stuck on the rail there and you not smiling.
      I’m interested in what you would do. If you kick the 10 in, four guys that I’ve played recently bank the 5 with a fairly high percentage. I’m not willing to give them a free bank. Have you seen Josh and Roberto bank? There’s plenty of players that shoot banks better than straight in’s. I’ll take my chances sending the 5 up table. Maybe you bank the 12 and win now

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      • #48
        Ghost vs. John 47 wwyd?

        Originally posted by jtompilot View Post
        I’m interested in what you would do. If you kick the 10 in, four guys that I’ve played recently bank the 5 with a fairly high percentage. I’m not willing to give them a free bank. Have you seen Josh and Roberto bank? There’s plenty of players that shoot banks better than straight in’s. I’ll take my chances sending the 5 up table. Maybe you bank the 12 and win now


        I’m nothing like those guys but I can relate to your comment. I would rather bank a ball any day than shoot it straight in. I know it sounds crazy lol. Meanwhile.. I still think y’all are crazy with the exception of a few. With touch moving the 5 and pocketing the 10 is not that tough. Emphasis on not over cooking the 5 to make sure it’s bunched up. Even if you don’t make it it’s not so bad. And yeah I would prop bet it. Lol.
        Mitch needs to remember to play the score and that it's better to win than to look like a hero.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by One Pocket Ghost View Post
          ..........
          You read a post you ''wish'' you had thought of....I know you like it, because the 2 rail cross corner scratch is NOT there. You like the pilot, Love free shots to change the game with no chance of a foul.
          Bill Meacham
          WBT
          www.worldbilliardtour.com
          no link....

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Mkbtank View Post
            I’m nothing like those guys but I can relate to your comment. I would rather bank a ball any day than shoot it straight in. I know it sounds crazy lol. Meanwhile.. I still think y’all are crazy with the exception of a few. With touch moving the 5 and pocketing the 10 is not that tough. Emphasis on not over cooking the 5 to make sure it’s bunched up. Even if you don’t make it it’s not so bad. And yeah I would prop bet it. Lol.
            Mitch,

            Would you bet you can pocket the 10 ball with your shot, and not leave a bank on the 5 ball?

            The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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            • #51
              Ghost vs. John 47 wwyd?

              Originally posted by darmoose View Post
              Mitch,



              Would you bet you can pocket the 10 ball with your shot, and not leave a bank on the 5 ball?





              Yes. I would. . Not every time, but enough that it’s the right shot.
              Mitch needs to remember to play the score and that it's better to win than to look like a hero.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by darmoose View Post
                ...

                I have yet to hear any rational for attempting to pocket the 10 ball.

                So much talk on this board about playing the score. How is it playing the score to attempt to pocket the 10 ball and taking the chance of coming off the hill, or leaving a bank on that 5 ball, as opposed to putting the 5 ball out of play?

                Ghostie loves proposition bets, so tell ya what. I'll shoot my shot and anybody on here can shoot any shot they wish to pocket the 10 ball. I will make the 5 ball in my hole in my next inning following your shot, before you can make the 10 ball and another ball on your next inning following my shot. Any foul committed loses.

                You are assuming that everyone will pocket the 10 ball and try to play position on those three balls in the corner. What happens if the incoming player shoots a shot that puts 2 balls in play and leaves the 10 ball Still hanging in his hole? This is such a dangerous position that just moving the 5 ball doesn't solve!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by darmoose View Post
                  ...

                  I have yet to hear any rational for attempting to pocket the 10 ball.

                  So much talk on this board about playing the score. How is it playing the score to attempt to pocket the 10 ball and taking the chance of coming off the hill, or leaving a bank on that 5 ball, as opposed to putting the 5 ball out of play?

                  Ghostie loves proposition bets, so tell ya what. I'll shoot my shot and anybody on here can shoot any shot they wish to pocket the 10 ball. I will make the 5 ball in my hole in my next inning following your shot, before you can make the 10 ball and another ball on your next inning following my shot. Any foul committed loses.

                  Placing the 5ball out of play, preferably tying up the 12ball looks to me like the best option, however, the player with the 10ball hanging will always be the favorite to pocket the first ball after the 10ball is pocketed because he will be the player with the first move and possibly the first decent shot. But in no way does that mean that placing the 5ball out of play is the wrong option because any option taken still puts the shooter at a disadvantage. My point is that placing the 5ball out of play lessens the disadvantage for the shooter as opposed to trying to pocket the 10ball. In regard to losing the game it should be quite clear that trying to pocket the 10ball puts the shooter at a much higher risk than placing the 5ball out of play and for anyone that doesn't understand that needs to have lots of money because your gambling habits will require that.

                  Dr. Bill

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by wincardona View Post
                    In regard to losing the game it should be quite clear that trying to pocket the 10ball puts the shooter at a much higher risk than placing the 5ball out of play and for anyone that doesn't understand that needs to have lots of money because your gambling habits will require that.

                    Dr. Bill
                    As Billy reiterates here ^^^ ...

                    I put up this wwyd because imo it would serve as a good One Pocket lesson for those that are on the site to learn solid One Pocket strategy...and now, several days later, with the endorsement and/or explanations by myself, Darrell, Billy, Frank, Tom, pilot Jim and others of choosing to take the 5 out of play in this situation - accomplishes that strategy sharing...

                    Yes, if you kick or masse in the 10 you could easily leave a bank on the 5, as is being spoken about - but leaving that bank is decidedly just the secondary wrong reason for choosing to attempt to kick or masse in the 10 here...

                    ...the primary reason that choosing to kick in the 10 is far and away, 100%, and obviously the wrong choice here, is...if you miss the kick or masse, you don't just come off the hill - you spot up a ball, he runs the three open balls, and now you are down 7-6, instead of being ahead 7-5, like you would have been if you had instead shot the 5 out of play...

                    ...and shooting the 5 out of play easily passes the risk assessment part of the shot-choosing equation...

                    ...lastly, it doesn't matter if you can make the kick or masse 9-out-of-10 tries - that's not good enough - it's still the wrong shot here...maybe, just maybe, if you can make the kick or masse 49-out-of-50 tries it's an acceptable choice...but I don't believe even Tony, Dennis, or Efren can make 49-out-of-50.

                    So obviously, taking the 5 out of play is what I chose to shoot in this position, and if my opponent can get shape to bank the 5ball cross-corner next - God bless him - I'll tap my stick and say "nice shot"......and hey Tom, did I leave the cueball just about where you also wanted to?... >>>
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                    jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Kybanks View Post
                      You are assuming that everyone will pocket the 10 ball and try to play position on those three balls in the corner. What happens if the incoming player shoots a shot that puts 2 balls in play and leaves the 10 ball Still hanging in his hole? This is such a dangerous position that just moving the 5 ball doesn't solve!
                      If you are referring to the prop bet that I have proposed, while that would indeed be the smartest move the incoming player could make, it is not the bet.

                      The bet is which initial shot is most likely to allow the incoming player to make a ball other than the 10 ball which we are sacrificing. The incoming player doesn't have to make the 10 ball first, but he must make two balls during his inning in order to prove that my opening shot is less favorable than his. I must pocket the 5 ball to prove his is not the correct opening shot. (i.e.) if we try it 10 times, I will pocket that five ball more than you will make a ball other than the 10 ball, no matter the order you decide to shoot them.

                      Originally posted by wincardona View Post
                      Placing the 5ball out of play, preferably tying up the 12ball looks to me like the best option, however, the player with the 10ball hanging will always be the favorite to pocket the first ball after the 10ball is pocketed because he will be the player with the first move and possibly the first decent shot.
                      True, but not the prop bet (see above).


                      But in no way does that mean that placing the 5ball out of play is the wrong option because any option taken still puts the shooter at a disadvantage. My point is that placing the 5ball out of play lessens the disadvantage for the shooter as opposed to trying to pocket the 10ball.
                      Also true.


                      In regard to losing the game it should be quite clear that trying to pocket the 10ball puts the shooter at a much higher risk than placing the 5ball out of play and for anyone that doesn't understand that needs to have lots of money because your gambling habits will require that.

                      Dr. Bill
                      The ultimate truth, and the one that counts, don't you see?
                      The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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                      • #56
                        I’m making the 8 now and leaving the 10 then next shot I’m bringing something else down after you make 10
                        As I’ve heard Dr Bill say on commentary. The guy behind can get back in the game with patience.
                        I still believe getting rid of the 10 early benefits the shooter

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                        • #57
                          Ghost vs. John 47 wwyd?

                          Originally posted by one pocket guy View Post
                          I’m making the 8 now and leaving the 10 then next shot I’m bringing something else down after you make 10

                          As I’ve heard Dr Bill say on commentary. The guy behind can get back in the game with patience.

                          I still believe getting rid of the 10 early benefits the shooter


                          Of course it does, Todd. As usual you are a man with good sense. 👍
                          Mitch needs to remember to play the score and that it's better to win than to look like a hero.

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                          • #58
                            OPG I think you put up a good wwyd.

                            Another lesson to be learned, dont leave whitey where you did

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by one pocket guy View Post
                              I’m making the 8 now and leaving the 10 then next shot I’m bringing something else down after you make 10
                              As I’ve heard Dr Bill say on commentary. The guy behind can get back in the game with patience.
                              I still believe getting rid of the 10 early benefits the shooter
                              This is one of those rare times when the balls lay good for the shooter freakishly positioned to where the shooter needing all four balls can bank the 12ball into the outside of the 5ball and possibly pocket the 10ball off the 12ball while sending the 5ball to his side in the process. Would I shoot this shot? You bet I would needing all the balls.

                              That's another reason I like positioning the 5ball near the 12ball on the top rail, it's very difficult getting creative with balls on the top rail as opposed to balls on the side rail.
                              Dr. Bill

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by wincardona View Post
                                This is one of those rare times when the balls lay good for the shooter freakishly positioned to where the shooter needing all four balls can bank the 12ball into the outside of the 5ball and possibly pocket the 10ball off the 12ball while sending the 5ball to his side in the process. Would I shoot this shot? You bet I would needing all the balls.

                                That's another reason I like positioning the 5ball near the 12ball on the top rail, it's very difficult getting creative with balls on the top rail as opposed to balls on the side rail.
                                Dr. Bill
                                I love this shot selection... will have to store in my memory banks.

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