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  • #16
    Originally posted by BRLongArm View Post
    There is no money in 9 ball or 10 ball except a few select tournaments. They play fast. Nobody watches it because pool is not a good spectator sport.

    One Pocket is a niche sport for experts. Most won't watch it because they have the attention span of about 10 minutes max. It's not a game for millennials. In that vein, it will never gain widespread appeal. But that's ok. With the internet, those who want to watch can watch.

    We are going to try a chess clock type of variant next year. We will be able to see if it is viable. Maybe instead of giving a ball handicap, you take time from a player. We'll brainstorm it to see if we can speed up play.
    Nice!

    I am looking forward to seeing how that pans out Joe!

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    • #17
      With the final W/L score lopsided....and your dealing with Gamblers/Rounders (pinoys).

      Does anyone think of Lemonade? It's hard for me Not too.

      I've known many players when gambling, will change their game, when certain people $tart watching em. A little brainwashing going on here? For the next score?
      Bill Meacham
      WBT
      www.worldbilliardtour.com
      no link....

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Island Drive View Post
        With the final W/L score lopsided....and your dealing with Gamblers/Rounders (pinoys).

        Does anyone think of Lemonade? It's hard for me Not too.

        I've known many players when gambling, will change their game, when certain people $tart watching em. A little brainwashing going on here? For the next score?
        You talking about the DO/SVB match?

        If so, from the numbers, it looks like DO mostly lost cause of the break. Or at the very least broke and had a look at the next ball.
        Which is really what i'd expect.

        Here's the link to give credit to AtLarge
        https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=502253

        Some real notable ones:
        Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
        Van Boening -- 106 of 119 (89%)
        Orcollo -- 58 of 86 (67%)

        Break-and-run games -- on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
        Van Boening -- 52 of 106 (49%)
        Orcollo -- 24 of 58 (41%)

        DO actually missed less frequently, SVB just broke and ran so much.

        Missed shots (est.):
        Van Boening -- 54 misses in 181 games at the table (a rate of 1 for every 3.4 games at the table)
        Orcollo -- 36 misses in 153 games at the table (a rate of 1 for every 4.3 games at the table)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by sneakynito View Post
          You talking about the DO/SVB match?

          If so, from the numbers, it looks like DO mostly lost cause of the break. Or at the very least broke and had a look at the next ball.
          Which is really what i'd expect.

          Here's the link to give credit to AtLarge
          https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=502253

          Some real notable ones:
          Successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
          Van Boening -- 106 of 119 (89%)
          Orcollo -- 58 of 86 (67%)

          Break-and-run games -- on successful breaks (made at least one ball and did not foul):
          Van Boening -- 52 of 106 (49%)
          Orcollo -- 24 of 58 (41%)

          DO actually missed less frequently, SVB just broke and ran so much.

          Missed shots (est.):
          Van Boening -- 54 misses in 181 games at the table (a rate of 1 for every 3.4 games at the table)
          Orcollo -- 36 misses in 153 games at the table (a rate of 1 for every 4.3 games at the table)
          I know, but laying off....seen it too many times with rounders. I got in the middle of a side bet with RA matching up at Janscos. Losing a $100 in 1969 for a college student (ton of money)....STICKS
          Bill Meacham
          WBT
          www.worldbilliardtour.com
          no link....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Island Drive View Post
            I know, but laying off....seen it too many times with rounders. I got in the middle of a side bet with RA matching up at Janscos. Losing a $100 in 1969 for a college student (ton of money)....STICKS
            I guess you never know. Another testament to the sad state of pool.

            But I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt and not bring anything like that up, especially when these guys are all we really got going for us in pool right now.

            Roy's building a brand and is no stranger to these big money matches, and SVB seems like an altar boy as far as pool goes.

            I've no personal reason to suspect things aren't on the up and up so I wont suggest otherwise.

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            • #21
              whether it is or isnt you have to weigh that in when you make a bet. that is why it is best to bet with only a disinterested party then either of you can have the bad side so it evens out.

              if you bet with someone involved then you may be dead money. big difference.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by beatle View Post
                whether it is or isnt you have to weigh that in when you make a bet. that is why it is best to bet with only a disinterested party then either of you can have the bad side so it evens out.

                if you bet with someone involved then you may be dead money. big difference.
                Even though I don't mind the occasional sweat bet, this is the main reason I dont like to bet on things that I dont have some sort of control over. I don't bet on sports or anything like that.

                I prefer betting when I am one of the competitors (pool, ping pong, cards, etc.) so that if I lose, I know its because I was either out played or out matched (or both) but never because someone else is throwing it...at least I feel more in control that way..

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                • #23
                  when i used to bet the trotters which by the way always had fixed or had something going on except for the top races. i found ways to get in on the fix.

                  one of many ways was to get at the 50 dollar window just before post time and bet slow and lock it up with close to sure bets like show bets on a solid favorite just to get my money back. and when this guy i called the hawk came to another 50 window which there were only a few i would bet the same as him as he was betting for insiders, until post time and got shut out.

                  called him the hawk as he was huge and would spread out around the window so no one could see what he was doing except those inside. i would give one of the tellers a 20 or 50 for giving me his pick. i would mumble a number and the teller would say did you mean the 5 horse or whatever number the hawk was betting. i would say yes and press until the bell goes off.

                  of course i didnt always win but my horse always tried to win. cheap horses lose frequently even when they are going for it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sneakynito View Post

                    I've no personal reason to suspect things aren't on the up and up so I wont suggest otherwise.
                    Anyone who didn't think Shane was a favorite has never noticed the difference between their breaks.

                    Make it big, soft pockets and 9-ball with the one on the spot and it would be a lot closer game. Or let Sally Johnson break for both of them and I'll bet on Dennis... and you can take that to the bank, because I must be due by now.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by cincy_kid View Post
                      Even though I don't mind the occasional sweat bet, this is the main reason I dont like to bet on things that I dont have some sort of control over. I don't bet on sports or anything like that.

                      I prefer betting when I am one of the competitors (pool, ping pong, cards, etc.) so that if I lose, I know its because I was either out played or out matched (or both) but never because someone else is throwing it...at least I feel more in control that way..
                      Yeah. Betting on games, especially the ones with better players, it is always such a huge risk in pool.

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