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    Who do you think is the smartest onepocket player in the world and why do you think they are the smatest onepocket player in the world and do they have any contests or tournament to prove who is the smartest onepocket player in the world is.

    Thanks,

    Houston_ron

  • #2
    Originally posted by Houston_ron_1966
    Who do you think is the smartest onepocket player in the world and why do you think they are the smatest onepocket player in the world and do they have any contests or tournament to prove who is the smartest onepocket player in the world is.

    Thanks,

    Houston_ron
    A number of close observers and players have said that Artie Bodendorfer, formerly of Chicago, but now retired in Vegas, made the most of his abilities compared to other top players. He didn't shoot as well, didn't run balls as well, didn't bank as well, but he moved better than anybody, and played a couple of balls over his ability because he played so smart, and controlled the cue ball so well. I guess in regard to controlling the cue ball, he did execute well.
    "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
    -- Strawberry Brooks

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Houston_ron_1966
      Who do you know to be the smartest onepocket player in the world.

      Thanks,

      Houston_ron


      That would be me........................
      Last edited by One Pocket Ghost; 01-25-2008, 12:35 AM.
      jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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      • #4
        I'll claim 2nd

        First, Artie Bodendorfer and then me.

        the Beard
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        • #5
          It should be noted that Artie played a conservative style, that often wore out the more agressive style of player. But if you are talking the creative kind of smarts for One Pocket, I would add a definite nod to Ronnie Allen and Jack Breit for their inventiveness.
          "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
          -- Strawberry Brooks

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          • #6
            Squeezers

            Since the topic has taken a turn towards squeezers with the last two posts, you'd have to mention Jimmy Fusco, or even Nick Varner. I watched a tape of Jimmy Fusco and Rempe (with F. Bentivegna commentating), in which Fusco squeezed so hard, the table dried out! Even Freddie was saying, "Shoot at something!"

            Doc

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            • #7
              If you watch Efren Reyes, it's a completely unique and different way of playing. I mean, when he is in gear, he comes up with some absolutely beautiful shots -- ultra thin cuts with crazy extreme english, masse shots, kicks, etc. -- many of which he gets near perfect position out of, which is mind-boggling considering the level of difficulty in execution (for mere mortals).

              However, that said, he does not consistently use some of the most basic "playing the score" and table management techniques that most successful One Pocket players consider absolute laws of the game. In fact, this year at the Derby, Efren lost twice in One Pocket for the first time ever, and I watched both losses. I would unequivically say that his failure to adhere to those fundamental laws cost him both matches.

              Against Alex, Efren needed only only one ball to put Alex away, and Alex needed eight. Efren did knock a chunk of the remaining stack up table to a degree, but he commited a cardinal sin by exposing a desperation shot for Alex, which Alex buried and ran out. If Efren had instead forced Alex to push balls up table (or do something crazy), by locking Alex under the remaining balls, Efren wins that game, barring something crazy happening.

              Against Gabe, again, Efren needed one ball to win, and Gabe scratched, which left a line up of three balls onthe foot spot, and a couple more loose balls -- one on the foot rail about a diamond away from Gabe's pocket, one up by the side pocket on Gabe's side. Now everbody that plays those basic laws of One Pocket knocks away the ball on the foot rail and leaves Gabe down table, preferably snookered from the loose balls so all he can shoot at (without kicking) is the underside of the three balls lined up on the spot. Inexplicably, Efren shot at the three balls, opening them up and Gabe ran out from there.

              That's not smart One Pocket!

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              • #8
                excellent line

                Originally posted by gulfportdoc
                ..... in which Fusco squeezed so hard, the table dried out! ......

                Doc
                Now, that's a good pool line, Doc.

                the Beard
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                • #9
                  Finally!

                  Originally posted by onepocket
                  ....However, that said, he does not consistently use some of the most basic "playing the score" and table management techniques that most successful One Pocket players consider absolute laws of the game. In fact, this year at the Derby, Efren lost twice in One Pocket for the first time ever, and I watched both losses. I would unequivically say that his failure to adhere to those fundamental laws cost him both matches.

                  Against Alex, Efren needed only only one ball to put Alex away, and Alex needed eight. Efren did knock a chunk of the remaining stack up table to a degree, but he commited a cardinal sin by exposing a desperation shot for Alex, which Alex buried and ran out. If Efren had instead forced Alex to push balls up table (or do something crazy), by locking Alex under the remaining balls, Efren wins that game, barring something crazy happening.

                  Against Gabe, again, Efren needed one ball to win, and Gabe scratched, which left a line up of three balls onthe foot spot, and a couple more loose balls -- one on the foot rail about a diamond away from Gabe's pocket, one up by the side pocket on Gabe's side. Now everbody that plays those basic laws of One Pocket knocks away the ball on the foot rail and leaves Gabe down table, preferably snookered from the loose balls so all he can shoot at (without kicking) is the underside of the three balls lined up on the spot. Inexplicably, Efren shot at the three balls, opening them up and Gabe ran out from there.

                  That's not smart One Pocket!
                  Finally somebody noticed what I've been harping about for years. MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES! I have said for years that Efren and others don't "clean up" the balls when they are ahead. That style works fine when you have an enormous advantage in skill, but when you run into somebody with comparable skills you will suffer for it. The players probably think that it is unmanly to play that way.

                  the Beard

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by onepocket
                    If you watch Efren Reyes, it's a completely unique and different way of playing. I mean, when he is in gear, he comes up with some absolutely beautiful shots -- ultra thin cuts with crazy extreme english, masse shots, kicks, etc. -- many of which he gets near perfect position out of, which is mind-boggling considering the level of difficulty in execution (for mere mortals).

                    However, that said, he does not consistently use some of the most basic "playing the score" and table management techniques that most successful One Pocket players consider absolute laws of the game. In fact, this year at the Derby, Efren lost twice in One Pocket for the first time ever, and I watched both losses. I would unequivically say that his failure to adhere to those fundamental laws cost him both matches.

                    Against Alex, Efren needed only only one ball to put Alex away, and Alex needed eight. Efren did knock a chunk of the remaining stack up table to a degree, but he commited a cardinal sin by exposing a desperation shot for Alex, which Alex buried and ran out. If Efren had instead forced Alex to push balls up table (or do something crazy), by locking Alex under the remaining balls, Efren wins that game, barring something crazy happening.

                    Against Gabe, again, Efren needed one ball to win, and Gabe scratched, which left a line up of three balls onthe foot spot, and a couple more loose balls -- one on the foot rail about a diamond away from Gabe's pocket, one up by the side pocket on Gabe's side. Now everbody that plays those basic laws of One Pocket knocks away the ball on the foot rail and leaves Gabe down table, preferably snookered from the loose balls so all he can shoot at (without kicking) is the underside of the three balls lined up on the spot. Inexplicably, Efren shot at the three balls, opening them up and Gabe ran out from there.

                    That's not smart One Pocket!
                    Ghost, You hit the nail on the head! There are certain intangibles in the game of 1P that must be adhered to. Efren, with all his skill as a player, did not
                    adhere to these givens. He knows where he erred. He may come back stronger than ever because of it.
                    Last edited by SJDinPHX; 08-14-2008, 11:56 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fred bentivegna
                      Finally somebody noticed what I've been harping about for years. MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES! I have said for years that Efren and others don't "clean up" the balls when they are ahead. That style works fine when you have an enormous advantage in skill, but when you run into somebody with comparable skills you will suffer for it. The players probably think that it is unmanly to play that way.

                      the Beard

                      Buy my DVD for God's sake!
                      Well, Freddy, isn't it also possible that you just happened to neglect to explain that important aspect of One Pocket knowledge to Efren back in Efren's early One Pocket days in Chicago? We all know you have little subterfuge in your modus operandi...

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                      • #12
                        hi

                        I naturally never seen every player in the world play , but Artie B played flawless one pocket and talk about squeezing every straight shooter I seen him play had the same look on their face of frustration waiting to see a makeable shot . Artie B use to give me a huge spot 9 -7 and the break and without bragging I shot pretty dam straight . The shot he would leave was a one ball maximum total sell out shot from the end rail usually froze and naturally no safe shot either to play . I naturally got frustrated and sold out at times . The thing that about his game is very mis-leading is the fact that he ran out as good as anyone . You give him a shot where you say well the most he can get is 2 balls and the next thing your doing is racking ! Some people might think I'm bias about his game because were great friends , but its hardly the case the man was relentless in his pursuit of victory whether it be squeezing or running out . He took pride on not making any mistakes and ranked other players on the amount of mistakes they make during the game and knew if he had the best of the game ! With me he usually lost count and it was basically a practice session for him the bad part was I had to pay for him to practice everytime . BUT ONCE ! what a record . I would have liked to see Fusco and Artie in battle in there prime . I always had a problem sleeping and I'm sure it would take a longtime before either one would give up a shot .

                        Phil

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                        • #13
                          The word "smartest" to me conveys the idea of who knows the most intricate moves, tactics, how clusters respond, ect.

                          Efren has long been "accused" of being able to "see" things in pool that mere mortals can't. His creativity is a result of his pool mind.

                          But taking this out one step further, I personally think guys like Billy Incardona and Grady Mathews also merit consideration here. Billy, as I recently posted over at AZB, would be my number 1 pick to be my manager if pool players had managers. Nobody is smarter when setting up and nobody thinks as long and hard and seems to never forget factoring in anything important. As for Grady, anyone familiar with him at all can certainly attest to his uncanny ability to figure things out that happen on a pool table. He can kick, hit small targets after going 3 and 4 rails, knows how to nudge (Dallas West uses the term "massage") the balls during shots and on and on.

                          It seems to me that of all the great players who have done so well in one pocket, these threee stand out. Efren for his creativity, Billy for his management of the game and who he is playing and Grady for his ability to see deeply into even a simple lay out.
                          Jesus said- I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Terry Ardeno
                            The word "smartest" to me conveys the idea of who knows the most intricate moves, tactics, how clusters respond, ect.

                            Efren has long been "accused" of being able to "see" things in pool that mere mortals can't. His creativity is a result of his pool mind.

                            But taking this out one step further, I personally think guys like Billy Incardona and Grady Mathews also merit consideration here. Billy, as I recently posted over at AZB, would be my number 1 pick to be my manager if pool players had managers. Nobody is smarter when setting up and nobody thinks as long and hard and seems to never forget factoring in anything important. As for Grady, anyone familiar with him at all can certainly attest to his uncanny ability to figure things out that happen on a pool table. He can kick, hit small targets after going 3 and 4 rails, knows how to nudge (Dallas West uses the term "massage") the balls during shots and on and on.

                            It seems to me that of all the great players who have done so well in one pocket, these threee stand out. Efren for his creativity, Billy for his management of the game and who he is playing and Grady for his ability to see deeply into even a simple lay out.
                            Terry, I overlooked Grady -- my bad, because he certainly is a guy you would have to consider, also.
                            "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
                            -- Strawberry Brooks

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Pocket Ghost
                              That would be me........................

                              Ok what makes you the smartest onepocket player in the world

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