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  • #16
    KY hit it right on the head...and t-dog is breakin' my heart.

    I would say there is an "emerging" one-pocket scene in Charleston. Ronnie doesn't have anything to worry about, but a couple of the shortstops play sporty one-pocket (eight and out is a good move...). I've never seen either of them do anything that made me do a double-take and say "wowza" but either of them can bank and run the balls out if you leave them the slightest inkling of a shot.

    T-dog says Des Moines doesn't have one-pocket or 9-footers, which bums me out, because my wife and I had decided on either Des Moines or Shreveport. Then I found out his morning that Shreveport was no longer an option, so Des Moines is in. Oh, well... I'll just have to spring for that GCII I've always wanted, and spend my next 3 years watching one-hole tapes... That doesn't sound so bad. :-)

    Dave

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    • #17
      Originally posted by cycopath
      You could stop in Milton, FL at Hidden Pockets. I'm sure John Schmidt would give you a game. Bring the greenbacks though, I don't think John gets into too many cheap games.
      I can get a cheap game with John anytime, I've known him since we were both 17. He started playing at my fathers poolhall in Hesperia, Ca. back then and it is really amazing to see how far his game has come.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by thebigdog
        I can get a cheap game with John anytime, I've known him since we were both 17. He started playing at my fathers poolhall in Hesperia, Ca. back then and it is really amazing to see how far his game has come.
        Hey Bigdog,

        Yeah, I would put Schmidt in the top 20 or so American born players. He really has no weaknesses, except for perhaps being somewhat of a prima donna. He's sort of a Calif. version of Mississippi's Reed Pierce... John seems to have the characteristics which most high level poolplayers have: intelligence, great hand/eye coordination, aggressiveness, self-centeredness, and the natural ability to be an expert con man.

        I don't know whether you've kept in touch with him, but he has a very beneficial deal with the owner of Hidden Pockets (?) in Milton, FL. He gets a nice monthly salary, and tournament/expense money; plus the guy bought him a brand new Diamond table to practice on. I don't know what the PC deal is, if any.

        He does get a little down on himself and whiney when he's losing a match he oughtn't be, and although that's pretty typical of many top players, he'd be even better if he could overcome that (of course wouldn't we ALL be!!). Look at Cliff Joyner-- talk about a stone face! It's not apparent by his facial expression whether he just made a good shot, or a bad one...

        Doc

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        • #19
          Originally posted by gulfportdoc
          Hey Bigdog,

          Yeah, I would put Schmidt in the top 20 or so American born players. He really has no weaknesses, except for perhaps being somewhat of a prima donna. He's sort of a Calif. version of Mississippi's Reed Pierce... John seems to have the characteristics which most high level poolplayers have: intelligence, great hand/eye coordination, aggressiveness, self-centeredness, and the natural ability to be an expert con man.

          I don't know whether you've kept in touch with him, but he has a very beneficial deal with the owner of Hidden Pockets (?) in Milton, FL. He gets a nice monthly salary, and tournament/expense money; plus the guy bought him a brand new Diamond table to practice on. I don't know what the PC deal is, if any.

          He does get a little down on himself and whiney when he's losing a match he oughtn't be, and although that's pretty typical of many top players, he'd be even better if he could overcome that (of course wouldn't we ALL be!!). Look at Cliff Joyner-- talk about a stone face! It's not apparent by his facial expression whether he just made a good shot, or a bad one...

          Doc
          Doc you are definately right about John being a little whiney. Although I think he has gotten a little better than he was before. He used to be so bad you couldn't even stand to be around him sometimes. He defineately worked very hard to get where he is. I've seen a lot of other guys who the game came to them a lot more naturally, be he is for sure the most tenacious guy I knew back then. Always trying to get a game, always working on his game. It doesn't surprise me to see that out of all the young guys I grew up playing with, he is the one who made it to the highest level.

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          • #20
            Cheap play

            Originally posted by thebigdog
            I can get a cheap game with John anytime, I've known him since we were both 17.
            Of course I was excluding family and friends from the list of money games.

            John kind of took my little step brother under his wing, and would play him races to 10 for $10. Now that's pretty friggin' cheap! But John would just be kind of showing him different shots and stuff while they played. I have a lot of respect for a guy that'll do that for a kid that's just starting to get his game working.

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            • #21
              Has anybody ever heard of...

              A guy named James Waldon from OK or Neil ?? from Colorado. I saw Neil play Cliff Joyner even Neil lost, but not by much. One heck of a strong player, also I hear stories of a guy in the Carolina's who is little and wears his glasses upside down. Broke alot of players back in the day. James Waldon came to are poolhall and busted it, he played One Pocket like a master. Hey, Ronnie Allen came around and stayed for about three months last year.I don't think he did to well. One think I noticed was he gave hugh spots that is why I think he lost. Be on the look out for a deaf kid named Shane plays like a pro and loves to bet high. I was also wondering if anybody had any Dave Matlock stories to tell or Ed Kelly. From what I hear Dave Matlock was the best on a bar box at one time and Ed Kelly was one of the best all around players of all time.

              Thanks James Nelson 22 with nothing to lose.

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              • #22
                "Champagne" Eddie Kelly

                Originally posted by James Nelson
                I was also wondering if anybody had any Dave Matlock stories to tell or Ed Kelly. From what I hear Dave Matlock was the best on a bar box at one time and Ed Kelly was one of the best all around players of all time.

                Thanks James Nelson 22 with nothing to lose.
                Hi James,

                You're right about Eddie Kelly. I saw him play quite a bit in L.A. in 1969. He and Ronnie Allen matched up at Big Momma's Billiards in North Hollywood, which was owned by a guy named "Coke"-- who was very "alert". Ronnie gave Eddie 9-8 in one-hole. I don't recall who came out money winner, but the session ended up in a fist fight. Kelly was a hot-headed Irishman at the time, and Ronnie would get in your face too. When they weren't at each other's throats, they both put on dazzling displays of one-pocket shots that I hadn't seen before, nor have I seen since.

                Then Kelly turned right around and won the World Pocket Billiard Championships held at the Elks Club in L.A. near MacArthur Park!

                Ronnie was never comfortable playing tournaments. He required the raucousness of the gambling rooms.

                Doc

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by gulfportdoc
                  Hi James,

                  You're right about Eddie Kelly. I saw him play quite a bit in L.A. in 1969. He and Ronnie Allen matched up at Big Momma's Billiards in North Hollywood, which was owned by a guy named "Coke"-- who was very "alert". Ronnie gave Eddie 9-8 in one-hole. I don't recall who came out money winner, but the session ended up in a fist fight. Kelly was a hot-headed Irishman at the time, and Ronnie would get in your face too. When they weren't at each other's throats, they both put on dazzling displays of one-pocket shots that I hadn't seen before, nor have I seen since.

                  Then Kelly turned right around and won the World Pocket Billiard Championships held at the Elks Club in L.A. near MacArthur Park!

                  Ronnie was never comfortable playing tournaments. He required the raucousness of the gambling rooms.

                  Doc
                  Hey, thanks for the response, it seems like this forum is not picking up the people like I thought it would when I first joined it. I wounder if it is because of it just being one pocket based. Hey, out of curiosity was Dallas West as strong as people say he was. You alway hear of Ronnie, and Danny "Mr. NineBall" in poolhalls , but would about the other greats. I do not hear to many stories about them. Where they one year champs and then you never heard of them again or what. I guess people get married and start their careers. Then Pool becomes an after thought. What do you guys think about the APA and the BCA are they better for pool. I always here people talking about the bad things in pool and that is why pool will never become a "reconized sport". "Who Cares". I like sitting there talking to the old guys and watching them smoke, getting "Belly Hooked" by the table. they eat red meat, are always drink to much and still can shoot great. I love being in the poolhalls for that reason. The gambling and far fetched stories are just fantastic...
                  Last edited by James Nelson; 09-19-2004, 04:50 PM.

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                  • #24
                    San Francisco is a great town for a vacation, but not the greatest for one pocket action, the regular lock up artists are there, most people have real high rents and do not have much $ to gamble with. Just one big black guy named CB who will play just about anyone for $50-100 a game, just walk in the door and have at him. The last real big action was 4 months ago when Rafael Martinez and Billy Palmer played a race to ten for $5000. Not much more than that, plus the tables at FAmily have gone down. They need to refelt the tables, I really hate when room owners let the cloth get down to where you can almost feel the slate. Especially at $10-12 an hour.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 70niner
                      San Francisco is a great town for a vacation, but not the greatest for one pocket action, the regular lock up artists are there, most people have real high rents and do not have much $ to gamble with. Just one big black guy named CB who will play just about anyone for $50-100 a game, just walk in the door and have at him. The last real big action was 4 months ago when Rafael Martinez and Billy Palmer played a race to ten for $5000. Not much more than that, plus the tables at FAmily have gone down. They need to refelt the tables, I really hate when room owners let the cloth get down to where you can almost feel the slate. Especially at $10-12 an hour.
                      CB is in action every night. He plays pretty strong, although I did see Tony Chohan give him 8-6 and the breaks, and just destroy CB. But he does take on all challengers. As far as the match between Rafael and Billy Palmer, there has been some things said about how the match went down, and all I know is that Rafael left town shortly after that.

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                      • #26
                        One pocket Action

                        Originally posted by thebigdog
                        I am in the Coast Guard here in the bay area have one more year left on this assignment. Some possiblilities for me are San Francisco again lots of strong one pocket here, Boston, Charleston, SC. Miami, Fl. Panama City, Fl. Honolulu, and Mobile, Al. Any of these other cities have good one pocket scenes?
                        Big Dog, you can get some nice action in Mobile, Al. Breakers Billiards.
                        Have words, will travel.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by davAmundo
                          I have been given the choice of the following duty stations:

                          Des Moines, Iowa
                          Butte, Montana
                          Shreveport, Louisiana
                          Houston, Texas

                          Where am I most likely to find a one-pocket scene?

                          DavAmundo
                          YOu won't get much one pocket action in Shreveport, LA. New Orleans is a different story.
                          JoeyA
                          Have words, will travel.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by JoeyA
                            You won't get much one-pocket action in Shreveport, LA. New Orleans is a different story.
                            JoeyA
                            So is Tampa,FL. Besides a whole bunch of B & C class players, you can jump up there with locals Buddy Hall, Ray Martin, Rodney Morris, Richie Richeson, C.M.Lee, etc. and a group or road players always passing through. With about 20 poolrooms within about a 30 minute drive, there are tournaments every night of the week and the Florida Pro Tour, not to mention Tommy Kennedy's Tour stops and the King's Bay Amateur Tour... If you can't find one-pocket action in Tampa, then you aren't leaving the house... imo

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                            • #29
                              ACTION IN SHREVEPORT,La

                              THERE IS ACTION IN SHREVEPORTtry SIDE POCKETS 2013 nelson st.[behind ECKARDS] off market st. north.DEB&BRETT owners real friendly,they run a 9 ball Tor/every Sat at 7 pm 40 or so players show every weekend add $$ all on bar tables ,I took R.A, there Hell,even Eddie Taylor goes there, Lots of action. When I walked in 3 or 4 1-hole action!!!! I told them we woud be back next Sat to play 100.00 or up. Any way R, A, & I stopped to use the restroom at a truck stop on 20 and R, A,Headed for the head, he triped and fell on some crack in sidewalk hit his head passed out ect.drama drama after we got back to Longview& I got him to Hospital ex-rays and all,drama.drama, went to doctors ect,ect, R,A,mixed a few knowing he was out of coma and left!!! I think it was because Your"s trully caght 3 -[6to8lb] catfish when he kept handing me his pole when he went to get a beer!!! I went back like I said and 4 1- hole players were waiting,I tried to talk them in to playing Tonk or Poker. No -go they wanted to play 1 hole with Ronnie, Any of you know a player name of Rabbit? Showed with bankroll to fill even my purse. So there is a little action in Shreveport boys!!!!!B.J.[ May make a score with lawyers] s I live on a lake full of fish, R. A . could sit on my porch & fish!!
                              Last edited by bjspivey; 10-13-2004, 02:56 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Smorgass Bored
                                So is Tampa,FL. If you can't find one-pocket action in Tampa, then you aren't leaving the house... imo
                                Tubster,

                                When are you planning to come up for the Gulf Coast Classic? (Grady's event) Are you going to make a week of it, or just come up on 12/8? Hope you're heart's back to fightin' speed!!

                                Doc

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