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[lll]

Artie, i know there are different options when there are 2 balls on the spot and you have ball in hand. how should someone approach this problem?

 

[NH Steve]

The chalange was we each get one houer to explain they perfect and the correct way to play one pocket. We each get one houer before a panal of 5 judges that we both pick and agree to. And the judges will pick the winner. I will train sombody for 6 months for 30 thousand dollares And they will be the only person out side of me how to play perfect one pocket. And you can sell they DVD if you want to sell it and the chinnese will pay for it. Because they are great copiers and perfectionasts and they will copy it and learn it because the are into perfection. And A guy like Archer could learn one pocket and in 6 monthes he would be in the top 5 one pocket players in the world. And in one year he could become the best one pocket player in the world. Because he is a very talanted and has a lot of ability and they tools to be the best all he is lacking is the knowledge. And if nobody wants it its ok with me. Because I am not giving away what I no for nothing. Unless some body wants to buy it for 30 thousand dollares and sell it to some one else or figure out how to make more money with it. I no if I was a true one pocket player and I was young again. And no what I no now I would buy it. Its a steel for the price.

It's interesting that you should single out Archer, because I spent the weekend (a couple of weeks ago) watching him win the Turning Stone 9-Ball tournament and I was thinking to myself, boy, if he ever took up one pocket seriously, he could be real good at it -- of course he runs balls well, but he also plays great safeties, kicks well and is no slouch at banking either.

Artie, I'm guessing that a lot of the knowledge the $30,000 could bring would lend itself to other games, not just One Pocket.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

It's interesting that you should single out Archer, because I spent the weekend (a couple of weeks ago) watching him win the Turning Stone 9-Ball tournament and I was thinking to myself, boy, if he ever took up one pocket seriously, he could be real good at it -- of course he runs balls well, but he also plays great safeties, kicks well and is no slouch at banking either.

Artie, I'm guessing that a lot of the knowledge the $30,000 could bring would lend itself to other games, not just One Pocket.

You are so right you have no idea how it will help you in all the oter games and life. Learning how to think is themost important thing we can learn in life. And that is what the teach in school. If you are a good learner and copyer you can what all the sucessfull people and champions do duplicating wat the are doing. Women have a hard time with the thinking part in pool thats why they have trouble playing one pocket or banks and even eight ball. THeir are greatwomen shooters but the thinkink part is incomplete. And thats why in life I dont ever remember any women pool hustlers. THe closest woman I seen to a pool hustler was Lora Shampoo. And that was because she picked up some of it in Det. Being around all those great pool hustlers and some of it rubed off. They should have a womens nine ball one pocket and bank pool tournament in Indiana the same time the mens tournament is going on and see what happens. And it could draw big interest. Or it could be a flop. Try it yopu cannt lose anything and it can only get bigger. And you have to start somewere. The men tournament will help out they womens tournament tell it catches on. It could be a real winner. And they turn out might be a monster. Because women are very creative and the will bring class and color to the game. And women love trying new things. And I could teach Allison Fisher how to play one pocket and she would be able to play with they men. And she would do great. You were so correct in what you said that it will help you in all the games. Learning the correct way to think is the most important thing to learn. And if you learn how to think you can solve any problem or saloution. And if you have the ability amnd talent you can become the greatest through thinking and knowledge.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Artie, i know there are different options when there are 2 balls on the spot and you have ball in hand. how should someone approach this problem?

You can draw the cue ball back to the end rail and try to make the head ball by forceing the head ball to your pocket and the other ball will go up and dow the table. and if you need two balls its great because you can run two and out. But I would not recomend the shoot if you do not have the talant to execute the shoot. You must no what you are doing and have control over the cue ball and object balls. Control comes first.And the other shot would be hitting the object ball on the wright side of the ball and the cue ball goes to the wright rail and then to the bottom rail and freez the cue ball on the bottom rail. And you have your oponent on the defense. One big point when you drop the cue ball to the bottom line try to have the two object balls and the cue ball on the same line with the cue ball on the rail and it will be very hard for your opponent to do anything. You should be able to keep your opponent on defense tell you get a free shot to win the game. THats not squezzing thats manovering.Squeezing is just playing same without doing anything and not giving your opponent a shot. But thats not what I a talking about. Its a lot deeper then not just leaving your opponent a shot.

 

[lll]

i am not as experienced as many on this forum but i understand your differention of "maneuvering " not "squeezing". to my understranding "squeezing " is just playing safe. "manuevering " is repositioning balls to your advantage for later . as you eloquently said like in chess laying the trap severeral steps down the road. am i right?

 

[lll]

when you said hit the object ball on the right side i assume you meant the head ball . is that correct?

 

[lll]

artie , i must add something. regardless of who is right or wrong on what was the game and who won. as you said only you and grady REALY know the truth. the rest is bull*****t.you are always spoken of as one of the best in 1p and you should be in the hall of fame. maybe freddie could nominate you? and the two of you could bury the hatchet since it seems to me you share alot of history together and not let this one issue spoil many years together. i am sorry if i am one of those guys who wants to see everyone happy and if there is too much bad blood i understand.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

when you said hit the object ball on the right side i assume you meant the head ball . is that correct?

Yes hit theobject ball on the right side and you are correct thinking ahead in the game. and buting your apponent in a mistake situation. And one shot you are playing offense and the other shot you are putting your opponent on defense. And I never met anyony who tried to put all three ballls in a diaganale line with each other and the cue ball froce to the rail . were the opponet is trap[ed or limited to what he can do but play safe if he can without giving up a free shot. And I repeat it would be great to have they womans all aroub tournament in Indiana with the men. And it could get very big. You mite draw more women then any tournament ever.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

artie , i must add something. regardless of who is right or wrong on what was the game and who won. as you said only you and grady REALY know the truth. the rest is bull*****t.you are always spoken of as one of the best in 1p and you should be in the hall of fame. maybe freddie could nominate you? and the two of you could bury the hatchet since it seems to me you share alot of history together and not let this one issue spoil many years together. i am sorry if i am one of those guys who wants to see everyone happy and if there is too much bad blood i understand.

I will tell you the truth and I belive Grady Will verafie what I am saying I played Grady up at Cockrans 30 dollares a game I lost 3 games And I new who Grady was but I dont think he new who I was or cared who I was. They only two peole who new me was Fat Jerry And Bud harries who played three cushion billiards at they placa. And when I played grady they had the hells angeles hanging out at cochrans. And when I would go past the hells angales at night to go to my hotel I would walk by them and it was a very uncomftrable feeling. And the hung out on they corner accross the street from the pool room . And Grady can tell you more stories about hen since he spent a lot of time in cochrans. And I even ran into Grady in colorada when I was hustling with Frosty And Joe Espanosa but the only one who new me was Grady. Where ever I hustled on the road nobody new me. And we beat everybody playing pool cards and Boxing and Joe Esponosa beat the golden glove champion. And I one good money betting on JOe. But nobody new me or new what we did. And we beat everybody down south. And In Stlouies kansas Omaha New Mexico.and nobody new us or new what we did. I hustled all over the country not just at pool tournaments like most players. The go to play at pool tournaments and as soon as the lose in the tournament the leave town. We took of a lot of scores and we beat a lot of people. And I made some big scores with all Sherman. And he was one off the best if not thee best. I can say it now because he is dead and he is not hustling any more. When I went on the road I didnt just go to play pool. And I dont like people who make up stories and LIe. And I see a lot off lies in their made up stories. And people who dont no the truth beleave that B S. I am no selling anything. All I amm doing is giving out free advice. And for my real knowledge that I learned and figured out I will charge or bet on my knowledge. I dont need cradantials. And I have had many winning experiences. Las Vegas was my last great take off and I beat all the Casinos sports books for millions. And I was the bigest and best. And I could teach some one what to do and the could win millions. BUt I have los a lot of anbition and desire and I dont have any new goals. I helped a lot of people and some became millionares.And the learned the correct thing to do to win the money. I dont make up lies and stories. And if I did I would not lie about it I would tell the truth or keep my mouth shut. I have no anamasaty or anger or bitterness twords anyone. The no what the are and the no the truth. And I feel good and great about telling the truth. The truth makes me strong and makes me feell good. I do not judge people who I trust and love. But it is not nice when a friend lies and cant admite the truth. What else do we have in life but LOve and the truth?

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

artie , i must add something. regardless of who is right or wrong on what was the game and who won. as you said only you and grady REALY know the truth. the rest is bull*****t.you are always spoken of as one of the best in 1p and you should be in the hall of fame. maybe freddie could nominate you? and the two of you could bury the hatchet since it seems to me you share alot of history together and not let this one issue spoil many years together. i am sorry if i am one of those guys who wants to see everyone happy and if there is too much bad blood i understand.

I have no hard feelings and I feel strong and powerfull for telling the truth. And people need to have enough couage to tell the truth or live with their ie their whole life. It does matter the truth must wi over the lie. Because if the lies win over the truth the will keep lieing. And the truth wont matter. And if your son or daughter lied to you would you let it go and teach them that the can get away with lieing. Or would you be a Fuctional parant and correct them.

 

[NH Steve]

artie , i must add something. regardless of who is right or wrong on what was the game and who won. as you said only you and grady REALY know the truth. the rest is bull*****t.you are always spoken of as one of the best in 1p and you should be in the hall of fame. maybe freddie could nominate you? and the two of you could bury the hatchet since it seems to me you share alot of history together and not let this one issue spoil many years together. i am sorry if i am one of those guys who wants to see everyone happy and if there is too much bad blood i understand.

Thanks in part to Freddy's support, Artie was inducted in 2006. He was very well received by the many other living legends of the game at our hall of fame dinner.

Here's Artie with Freddie that night (Artie on the right)

 

[Fast Lenny]

I have no hard feelings and I feel strong and powerfull for telling the truth. And people need to have enough couage to tell the truth or live with their ie their whole life. It does matter the truth must wi over the lie. Because if the lies win over the truth the will keep lieing. And the truth wont matter. And if your son or daughter lied to you would you let it go and teach them that the can get away with lieing. Or would you be a Fuctional parant and correct them.

Are you saying that Freddie and Grady are your children?

 

[fred bentivegna]

I hope you aint referring to me!

I hope you aint referring to me!

I have no hard feelings and I feel strong and powerfull for telling the truth. And people need to have enough couage to tell the truth or live with their ie their whole life. It does matter the truth must wi over the lie. Because if the lies win over the truth the will keep lieing. And the truth wont matter. And if your son or daughter lied to you would you let it go and teach them that the can get away with lieing. Or would you be a Fuctional parant and correct them.

I really hope you aint referring to me as that "liar" and "storyteller." I'm getting real sick of that holier-than-thou bullsh*t. I know you since you were a teenager and because we disagree on something that happened 20 yrs ago, you have the nerve to call me a liar and a storyteller, and I have to live with my "lies?" You even got a few people on this forum sympathizing with you over this nonsense. You talk about people doing something for the game. What have you done for the game in the last 20 years? The only tournament you showed up for was to get inducted into the 1pkt HOF. You left town immediately after the dinner. And who was your biggest supporter to get you selected? The same guy that you aint had one decent thing to say about, and call a liar. You talk about waking up the pool world only if they spend $30,000. Like thats really going to happen. I wrote 2 books and a DVD and am doing another DVD right now that'll show stuff that has never been explained before in anybodys book or DVD in history, and people will be able to learn from it for less than a carton of cigarettes. I really wanted to put all this away but I wont stand still at being called a liar.

the Beard

 

[sappo]

Arties Style

Arties Style

artie, in listening to you on the past posts, you say that you can teach the correct way to play one pocket. i truely beleive that every situation you face during a game of one pocket has many many options and that sereral of these options would be considered correct to play. i also beleive that there are overall strageties that different players use,and it is obvious to me after reading these posts that you beleive you understand the game and have developed what i will call the "ultimate stragety". im i correct in this assumption? secondly, what other great player or players played closest to your game? thanks for the info and please keep posting, your words have a lot of value to me and im sure to many others. sappo

 

[sappo]

Artie

Artie

in the post i just made to artie i want to clearify one point. artie, when i asked you what great player was closest to your game i meant closest to using a game plan or stragety like yours. thanks sappo

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

I really hope you aint referring to me as that "liar" and "storyteller." I'm getting real sick of that holier-than-thou bullsh*t. I know you since you were a teenager and because we disagree on something that happened 20 yrs ago, you have the nerve to call me a liar and a storyteller, and I have to live with my "lies?" You even got a few people on this forum sympathizing with you over this nonsense. You talk about people doing something for the game. What have you done for the game in the last 20 years? The only tournament you showed up for was to get inducted into the 1pkt HOF. You left town immediately after the dinner. And who was your biggest supporter to get you selected? The same guy that you aint had one decent thing to say about, and call a liar. You talk about waking up the pool world only if they spend $30,000. Like thats really going to happen. I wrote 2 books and a DVD and am doing another DVD right now that'll show stuff that has never been explained before in anybodys book or DVD in history, and people will be able to learn from it for less than a carton of cigarettes. I really wanted to put all this away but I wont stand still at being called a liar.

the Beard

No Freddy you would never lie or tell a story. Youwouldnt even twist the truth. You didnt no me when I was a teenager.And I didnt play pool tell I was 18 years old. What happened with me and Grady was more like 30 years ago. And you made it up not Grady.Grady has been as honest as he could be. And it showed. But you are another story.With a 100% sure and you werent their long enough to say hello. And I will keep picking away at you tell you start telling the truth. And Phil never said the session took a long time. You made that up to what does that make you. Phil was not their when we plaYED. And Freddy you cant win you are traped like a rat and you have too many leeks in your armor and you better check your files. I am wrighting this so YOU will see the truth. And admite to it no matter how hard it might be. Once in a life time isnt bad. Dont live with guilt for the rest of your life. And dont forget to look in the mirror. Take of your mask. The truth will make you stronger. People are allowed to think what the want. Nobody has the wright to tell people what the have to belive in and think. I have helped people with their games and the became winners. And great hustlers. Like Det Jimmy Steve Jones and Larry Swartz.Two of them are gone but Larry is still hir. And I would like to hir what Larry would say about you. And Larry made you the biggest score and only score of your life. And Larry never got a thank you from you. And Larry is great at giving pool lessions and he is a great teacher. I hope Larry Swartz replies. And let the truth out and Larry will feel better. I havant done anything for pool for 25 years because I wasant around pool. And if I was around pool I would have been looking to beat people playing pool or I would have backed people playing pool. Like when Billy beat Toby. I am a pool hustler not a EGO MANIACK. You have wrote books and DVD. But you havant said nothing. I could wright more on one paper then you wrote in 20 years. And you havant said nothing anything. When I was inducted into the hall of fame. I didnt come for the pool tournament. I came for the hall of fame. And to see Bugs. That was the only reason I came and Bugs came to see me. And he kepte saying are you realy going to be their. I will fly wright out with all his pain and suffering. And Bugs went out of his way to come to the hall of fame. And it was one of my happest momonts to see Bugs. That I havant seen for at least 20 years. And bugs didnt come for the pool tournament either. And it was great. And I am glad I came. And as I was gitting ready to leave. Scott Frost came up to me and gave me a hug and cogradulated me. And that meant a lot to me. And Scott Frost showed a lot of class and respect and he will be the future one pocket champion. And he is a real action man. Not a story teller. Freddy you are a great story teller. And thats all you get because I dont want to spoil you. You are wright next to Minnesota fats in stories. Its ok to be a story tellerweather the are real or not. You are probably correct when you said the 30 thousand dollareswill not happen. But its ok with me. Because the knowledge is worth more then all the books but together. It is great to develope your skills in pool. But the most important thing is learning how to THINK. And I harped on this my whole life. I am happy for you Freddy that you have energy left to get out of bed and continue your dream. Dont forget to shave Freddy and show the real Freddy. If it wasant for one pocket. org. You wouldnt have rote any books or made any DVD. What counts to me is the people who realy new me like Reno Harold Bugs Det Jimmy Steve Jones Butch Dennis George Brubt Mike Oshea Chuck Maddox Ronnie Herchorn.THese are the people who count and were part of my life. Not the people who I dont no. Because what can you say about a person you dont no. Unless you make up a lie or gossap. YOU said you were going to stop but you are still hir wrighting abut it.. What does that make YOU. All you are doin is verifying whaT I said. Dont Stop Now you sucker.

 

[usblues]

Pyrrhic

Pyrrhic

Please put the knife away,your killing time and there's work to do with whats left of it.Thanks,Bob

 

[wincardona]

The real scoop

The real scoop

Freddie is the greatest story teller in life,Grady is one of the greatest one pocket players ever, Artie is also one of the greatest one pocket players to ever play the game ,and clearly the smartest player ever in life. So now you have the answer,so figure it out for yourselves.

 

[fred bentivegna]

This really is the end

This really is the end

Even though I have to bite my tongue, I aint going any further with this. You were right about one thing though, I certainly didn't know you. But I do now.

the Beard

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Even though I have to bite my tongue, I aint going any further with this. You were right about one thing though, I certainly didn't know you. But I do now.

the Beard

I will let it go. You new me you just didnt no yourself.