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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dick Mc Morran
    Skin, While were waiting for Arties reply go on the Beard's blog and find my story on "Titanic", Its right after his Gar story (I don't know how to create a link) A good part of my tale involves "partner play". I know, from my experience, it can be a real crapshoot. But it is fun.

    Dick

    PS Artie is not into "fun". It'll be interesting to get his take on it.
    Here's the link.

    http://warstoriesnonebyolivernorth.blogspot.com/


    Dick, to post a link all you have to do is

    1. right click (use the right side of the mouse to click) on the address box at the top of the screen

    2. select "Copy" from the menu box that appears

    3. right click to put the cursor where you want to paste and then select "Paste" from the menu box that appears

    You can also do it the regular way by highlighting the address, copy, and then paste where you want it.

    _____

    It sounds like partners is about what a figured - the only predictable thing is that you will make friends or enemies real fast by playing it. If you have a weaker player on your team, it's probably best to find a way to "hide" him.

    Skin

    And, oh, I think I can answer your questions to Artie - it's because you were (and do) play for more than the money even if you don't realize it. Just like Alexander the Great made battle for more than luxury and wealth.
    Last edited by Skin; 10-13-2008, 02:37 PM.
    Skin

    "It's easy!" - Coach Acosta, former Mexican pro, instructing his 10 y/o little leaguers

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
      PART 2 When people keep changing from one shot to another. It tells me the donnt no the correct shot and the are unsure of what the are doing. Theit is dought and uncertainte in their choice. And dont no what the correct shot is. And the are guessing instead of knowing what the correct shoot is and why. After I answer the quistion it will be easier for other people to see the answer. But I can tell by their answer if the answer is correct and why. I am not saying this to discourage you. But to get you to think and open up your mind. Grady playes a judgment and memory one pocket game. And he playes and shoots by insticte what shot and what he is trying to do. He playes memory one pocket what he has tought himself and memorized. But if you ask him to explain it all ahead of time he will have a hard time explaining it ahead of time. And let him tell you how he is going to run all balls ahead of time. In what order and what balls. And I will bet and lay a price he will not run the whole 8 balls the way he said he will. And he will not do what he said he will do. Because I no how hard it is to do that. And Efrin and Scott Frost and none of the Champions can do that.I am not saying he cant run 8 and out on 8 loose balls that he can run in order the way he called them. Because the are all open and simple to run because the are ope. But evenwith a simple pattern. you will see I am correct and you will see he will hanve to take time to figure ot out. And the will not have figured out ahead of time what the are going to do. Because the dont no and its all judgment and guessing what the are doing. And the comontaters are gussing too. Are you starting to see the picture that you need to no what you are doing and why.Why does it take him all that time to explain who he is going to run the balls. And when he plays he just shoots and doesnt even think about it.The are shooting from one shoot to the next by instict and judgment and the realy havant figured it out ahead of time. Then when the have a problem then the stop and figure it out. WHY DIDNT THE DO THAT AHEAD OF TIME?
      PART 3 The slow players are slow because the are in dought. Because the are not sure of what the are doing or why. Its not about shooting FAST or SLOW but shooting the correct shot and why. And if you dont think that way you have to practice and learn. Thats why you can learn by watching and practicing and asking quistions. Figure out the best and correct shot and the more you do it the easier it will be to learn. ITs not about how fast or slow you play. Its about what your plane is and why you are shooting the shot you are shooting. Have a plan and have it figured out what you are going to do. Not just one shot but the whole thery behind the shoot. Dont just say thats safe. Because everyone does that. Thats not good enough and that can be a big mistake. Have a plan and figure it out before you shoot. And I keep putting in their you have to no why you did what you did. I made it clear a few weeks ago. When you are winning you have to train yourself to give all you have to finish off your opponent dont let himbreath. Sufficate him. Go for the kill. No more chances and no more mistakes. Finish him off you want to finish the session off with giving it all you got. And if you gave 100% and lost its ok you gave it all you had. And Memorize this. Whether you win or loose take it the same way. Dont be a real happy winner and then when you lose you will be a very sore looser. You do your best weather you win or lose. Dont have big mood swings. Be nutral. And show some class people like players better that have control instead of being a sour looser. And most of it is all a show anyway. Be a control winner or looser. Be huble and gracious. Being very happy and beong very sad is not the way you want to go. And its the same thing betting sports horses or other games. You need to control yourself. Just like you are going to conrtol the game of one pocket. ITs all about you. You can shoe clas or be a little baby or spoiled little brat. And you will see it very clear with people. If you gave 100% and lost you mave nothing to feel bad about. Its all we can humanly do. BUt if you didnt give 100% then you no you need to learn how to give 100% in every game or match. And you will no if you gave 100%. Winning is a hard load on your shoulder but loosing is easy. And you have to learn how to be a winner. Her is a Quistion for everyone. WHO THOUGHT YOU TO BE A WINNER. Nobody. So you see these are all things we have to learn. Everyone wants to be a winner. But not to meny people want to do the work that comes with being a winner.

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      • #18
        Originally Posted by chicagomike
        Ok Artie, here's my 1st question of the holiday. Besides considering the score, what should my thinking process be when deciding what shot to shoot? What are the key factors that go into making the best choice when given several shot selections?

        Thanks Artie,
        Have a safe and happy holiday.

        -Chicagomike

        You always play the score.You figure out the shot that will help you the most. And do the most damage to your oponent. Always pick the shot that will lock up your opponent were he will make a mistake. Pick the shot that is the easiest to execute and put your opponent in a position he cant get out of the trap. Their are lots of choices. You have to learn what is the best choice. And the only way you can figure out what the correct shot is. BY were the balls are and the cueball is and were you want the cue ball to be so your opponent cant put you in a trap. Start thinking instead of just looking to run 8 and out. Some players will shoot at anything and the are the best players to play because the will make the most mistakes. Keep figuring out the best choice and with experence and practice you will get the hang of it. Every shot is a thinking process and you have to figure out what is the best shot and why. The best shot is the shot that will cause your opponent the biggest problem. And puting the cueball were your opponent will make a mistake. And cant give you a problem were you cant get out of the trap.
        Live long and play strong,
        -Chicagomike

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        • #19
          Originally posted by lll
          chicagomike if you know how to copy and paste you can copy the reply than come to the forum and post reply when it opens you can paste the reply there and then post it. my best explanation on how to copy and post is yoou bneed to drag the cursor across what you want to highlight it while the left button on the mouse held down. then you right click and you will see alist of choices one of which is copy cilck on that. when you get to the reply box right click and you will see a list one choice will be paste click on that and you shoulod see the reply in the box. if this doesnt work maybe someone else can give you a better explanation.
          Thanks lll,
          I got it moved to this thread.
          Live long and play strong,
          -Chicagomike

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          • #20
            Ok Artie here is my second question of the day:

            How do I get the most benefit out of my practice time when practicing by myself with one pocket in mind.

            Thanks,
            Chicagomike
            Live long and play strong,
            -Chicagomike

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
              PART 3 The slow players are slow because the are in dought. Because the are not sure of what the are doing or why. Its not about shooting FAST or SLOW but shooting the correct shot and why. And if you dont think that way you have to practice and learn. Thats why you can learn by watching and practicing and asking quistions. Figure out the best and correct shot and the more you do it the easier it will be to learn. ITs not about how fast or slow you play. Its about what your plane is and why you are shooting the shot you are shooting. Have a plan and have it figured out what you are going to do. Not just one shot but the whole thery behind the shoot. Dont just say thats safe. Because everyone does that. Thats not good enough and that can be a big mistake. Have a plan and figure it out before you shoot. And I keep putting in their you have to no why you did what you did. I made it clear a few weeks ago. When you are winning you have to train yourself to give all you have to finish off your opponent dont let himbreath. Sufficate him. Go for the kill. No more chances and no more mistakes. Finish him off you want to finish the session off with giving it all you got. And if you gave 100% and lost its ok you gave it all you had. And Memorize this. Whether you win or loose take it the same way. Dont be a real happy winner and then when you lose you will be a very sore looser. You do your best weather you win or lose. Dont have big mood swings. Be nutral. And show some class people like players better that have control instead of being a sour looser. And most of it is all a show anyway. Be a control winner or looser. Be huble and gracious. Being very happy and beong very sad is not the way you want to go. And its the same thing betting sports horses or other games. You need to control yourself. Just like you are going to conrtol the game of one pocket. ITs all about you. You can shoe clas or be a little baby or spoiled little brat. And you will see it very clear with people. If you gave 100% and lost you mave nothing to feel bad about. Its all we can humanly do. BUt if you didnt give 100% then you no you need to learn how to give 100% in every game or match. And you will no if you gave 100%. Winning is a hard load on your shoulder but loosing is easy. And you have to learn how to be a winner. Her is a Quistion for everyone. WHO THOUGHT YOU TO BE A WINNER. Nobody. So you see these are all things we have to learn. Everyone wants to be a winner. But not to meny people want to do the work that comes with being a winner.
              PART 4 Stick and stay and make it pay. Winning should not change your standared of living. Your standared of living should not depend on you winning or loosing. Because you should be living your life the way you want to weather you win or loose. And if you win big money lock it up and let it work for you and when the time comes and you need it you will have it. And by the time you are 60 years old you will have enough money to live comftrable and enjoy your golden years. But their too it goes back to what did you do with youre money when you made scores or had moey to lock up and let it earn for you in a interest baring account when you were younger. Everything goes back to the beginning were we made the mistakes. If you make a winning game you dont need to worry about loosing. You have to learn the whole pacage. Not just playing correctly. Everything you do is what makes you a winner. Even the things and choices you make in life. Its about making correct joices. Why do you need to get pmpet up unless you made a bad game or spent your money foolishly. And you mite go through your vwholt life gitting pumpt up. If you have done the wright thing with your money you will be ok. And you will not live in a cardboard box. If you have done it correctly from the start. And its never to late to start doing things correctly. Your moey will be their for you if you took care of it. and didnt waiste it and spend it foolishly. Shoe your money respect And you will have it when you need it. Everyone is a great spender. We no you are a champion at spending. BUt how meny champions are out their in SAVING. Not to meny. We all spent our money on bad habits and foolishly. Because we didnt no and we never realy learned. I no I never took a course on saying moey. And what to do to have it earn for me. I never learned. So why would I no. And some people never learn and never even think about it. But do the correct thjing with your money and you will be in great shape when you get older.We need to correct our mistakes in one pool so we can improve our game and not repeating the same mistakes over and over and not changing and learning. I have given you some of the things you need to learn. And I have woken you up to new IDEAS that should help you to change and think correctly. And my joy and happines will come from you learning. And their is a lot to learn. Jus put your mind to it and THINK and LEARN. Reach your goals. And you will feel great about your game and yourself. Enjoy your learning experience. Make it fun and enjoyment. Dont make it stress and strain. WEll I hope you are learning?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by chicagomike
                Ok Artie here is my second question of the day:

                How do I get the most benefit out of my practice time when practicing by myself with one pocket in mind.

                Thanks,
                Chicagomike
                Practice shooting every shot and move and see what you did to trapyourself on the shot you have to memorize the important things you learn in each game. You can even reflect back at the end of the day and think about all the things you did and learned and in a month you will have put a lot of information into your computor. Your mind. Start from the First shot to the end of the game. And learn were the balls go on the breack and why. And we all breack the balls basicly the same way.
                Practice shoots that will improve your mind to thinking correctly. Learn everything you can and how to IMPROVE what you learned. Practice yopur whole shoot and what you want your shoot to accomplish. Nevever ever shoot a shot unless you no WHY you are shooting that shot and what you are looking to accomplish.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
                  Practice shooting every shot and move and see what you did to trapyourself on the shot you have to memorize the important things you learn in each game. You can even reflect back at the end of the day and think about all the things you did and learned and in a month you will have put a lot of information into your computor. Your mind. Start from the First shot to the end of the game. And learn were the balls go on the breack and why. And we all breack the balls basicly the same way.
                  Practice shoots that will improve your mind to thinking correctly. Learn everything you can and how to IMPROVE what you learned. Practice yopur whole shoot and what you want your shoot to accomplish. Nevever ever shoot a shot unless you no WHY you are shooting that shot and what you are looking to accomplish.
                  I have toght Larry Schwartz a lot of great and important information on all pool games. And he is the best teacher and the most qualified pool teacher in Chicago. MR. Larry Scwartz Mr Larry Schwartz he desirves the recignition and he is a clasy guy. And he is great at giving pool lessions if someone is looking for a great teacher. I dont no if he is avalable but I am sure someone can get ahold of him . Even Phil Welch can get ahold of him. I have his number but I cant give out someones phone number. But if someone wants some pool lessions he does not charge a lot. And its great for people who live in chicago. I charge a thousand dollares a houer and I no thats out of the reach for 99% of the people. But I am giving you all this information FREE. And i will keep helping everyone tell. Its time t hang it up. And I will not charge anyone for any quistions. And I no I could have opened up a sight and charged to answer peoples quistions and how to play correct one pocket mistake free. BUt Larry Schwartz is very sociable and a lot of people like him. And he will give you a great lession. And he is honest and sincere when he gives lessions. And I am AB And I approve this message.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dick Mc Morran
                    Skin, While were waiting for Arties reply go on the Beard's blog and find my story on "Titanic", Its right after his Gar story (I don't know how to create a link) A good part of my tale involves "partner play". I know, from my experience, it can be a real crapshoot. But it is fun.

                    Dick

                    PS Artie is not into "fun". It'll be interesting to get his take on it.
                    My reply would be whoever gits the weaker player gets spotted 8 to 7 and I no the answer but I want to her your reply. I am trying to get everyone to think. Because matching up is a lot of different opinons and how it should be. But I am trying to get people to think more and learn more and that is very important for their game. But if I played a partner game with Buddy Hall of Efrin as my partner I would do the traping and moving and I would have them doing the banking and shooting. The weaker player should move and the stronger player should SHOOT. THen you will have the best of the spot if you can do that. Because in reality you shouldnt be gitting sppoted in a partner game.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
                      My reply would be whoever gits the weaker player gets spotted 8 to 7 and I no the answer but I want to her your reply. I am trying to get everyone to think. Because matching up is a lot of different opinons and how it should be. But I am trying to get people to think more and learn more and that is very important for their game. But if I played a partner game with Buddy Hall of Efrin as my partner I would do the traping and moving and I would have them doing the banking and shooting. The weaker player should move and the stronger player should SHOOT. THen you will have the best of the spot if you can do that. Because in reality you shouldnt be gitting sppoted in a partner game.
                      I have rote 4 parts to quistions and I think you can learn a lot and everything is above board. And I have learned and that is what I did with my game. And if you learn it you will have learned a lot and you can use it to win and take your game to a higher levele.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by gulfportdoc
                        In my case, I've come to realize that I tend to give myself too much credit in the ability to execute certain shots. Especially shots where I'm trying to accomplish two or three things during the same shot. For example, I might be trying a risky long bank, while also trying to hide the CB behind another ball. Oftentimes I'll miss the bank and not get safe besides!!

                        The key for me is to stay with the shots that I have the highest percentage of executing best. I think a lot of us average players take a whirl at some of the delicatessen shots we see the top players accomplish-- and we mess up!!

                        Doc
                        Shooting a long shot and playing position behind a ball is hard to do and why are you shooting a log bank and gitting position. And what will the resulte be if you dont make the shot or you dont get the cusball correct. And you leave your opponent a shot were he can run 8 and out. Or you make the bank and trap yourself by not getting the cusball correctly. My answer is shoot shoots that you can handle and control. Remember I said you need to have control of your shot. Or shoot a different shot. And the score playes a big part weather you shoot the shot or not. And figure out how maney balls you can make and what the cosiqunce is if you miss the shot. All these quistions have to be answered before you shot. You cannot get the correct answer if you dont give all the details. Even the computor you have to have all the information to get a correct answer. You need to shoot shots that yopu can execute. I said it earlier a weeker player cannot shoot the shots that Champions shoot. Because you do not have their skill or their shooting ability. AND YOU HAVE TO SHOOT SHOTS ACCORDING TO YOUR ABILITY. THats why shooting the same shoot the champions shoot is NOT the correct shot for you to shoot. And you have to learn what is the correct shot according to your ability. So you see its not the same shot for every player. Its a lot according to your shooting ability. We are not Efrin and we do not have his executing skills. If we had his skill why would he spot us 8 to 5? If the player is the smartest and the most talanted and the most skillfull. Well nobody should be able to beat him. Unless the get very lucky and play way over their head. Its not a mystery. It skill and braines.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dick Mc Morran
                          Skin, While were waiting for Arties reply go on the Beard's blog and find my story on "Titanic", Its right after his Gar story (I don't know how to create a link) A good part of my tale involves "partner play". I know, from my experience, it can be a real crapshoot. But it is fun.

                          Dick

                          PS Artie is not into "fun". It'll be interesting to get his take on it.
                          LEARNIG IS FUN WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED LATLEY. THEIR IS NO GREATER FUN AND ENJOYMENT THEN LEARNING. AND FROM LEARNING COMES ACCOMPISHMENT. IS IT A GREAT ACCOMPISHMENT TO WIN A BIG TOURNAMENT AND WIN A BIG FAT PRICE. BECAUSE YOU LEARNED WHAT TO DO TO WIN.

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                          • #28
                            My 1st Question to Artie

                            Hi Artie ! Its good to see you posting on here and thank you for contributing your knowledge of the game to all of us !!

                            Well ve learned the game from a very good mutual friend we have by the name of Tony who use to work at Bensingers in chicago. He started to get into the thought process that he learned from you and i was wondering if you could help break it down. I guess this isnt really a question but more of your thoughts on this concept.

                            Obviously I am aware of your "suffocation" of your opponents when they played you. what was explained to me is that you knew what your opponet HAD TO DO innings before. You knew that if you put him in a position .. that he HAD NO CHOICE but to shoot the shot you wanted him to shoot.

                            Can you elaborate on this topic a little more ?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
                              LEARNIG IS FUN WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED LATLEY. THEIR IS NO GREATER FUN AND ENJOYMENT THEN LEARNING. AND FROM LEARNING COMES ACCOMPISHMENT. IS IT A GREAT ACCOMPISHMENT TO WIN A BIG TOURNAMENT AND WIN A BIG FAT PRICE. BECAUSE YOU LEARNED WHAT TO DO TO WIN.
                              I do not go on any other sights and if people her about this on AZ the will come to this sight to read it and learn it. And the will talk about it and the will keep comeing on this suight if the want to learn and read some more. Because no other sight is ofering all of this information. Especialy not free. But people who cant afford it are intitled to learn too. THATS ME BUDDY

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by NH Steve
                                I have noticed that executing poorly often makes what I thought was a good idea, end up looking really bad. Let's say I am trying to lodge the cue ball behind another ball to trap my opponent, but I slightly miss-hit and end up exposing the cue ball just enough to negate the value of my safety. I have also observed my opponent shooting what I sure thought was the wrong shot, yet they execute it and it ends up costing me. These two situations illustrate results that make it difficult for me to learn the "right shot".

                                Can you give us any advice on how to better observe our own game, so as to learn to avoid mistakes? What should we be looking for?
                                You might be executing poorly because you havant learned to do it correctly yet. So work extra hard and practice what you need to learn. And learn to execute correctly. Till you can do it correctly yourself. And ask yoursefy why you are not doing it correctly. You need to find that answer and correct it to were you can ececute the shot. If your opponent shoots a shot that you might think it is the wrong shot might be the correct shoot. You have to answer the quistion yourself. ANd then shoot the shoot 10 or 20 times and see what the resulte will be when you shoot that shoot over and over till you find the answer. Or maybe he is more skillfull at shooting that shot then you are. BUt work with the shot and ALWAYS keep learning tell you find the answer. Or have 2 or 3 champions shoot it and explaine it to you. And figure out why you think its the wrong shot.

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