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  • #16
    Originally posted by Terry Ardeno
    Old School,

    I do want to say one more thing to you. I imagine it was kind of hard for you to write that post.

    Even though I got no clue as to who you really are, I do think you know a little bit about pool and some of it's players.

    And no, that doesn't mean I'm asking for an autographed photo to hang on my "wall of fame" at home!

    Warmest regards my friend!

    Yes Terry, it was hard to write my post, but as I said, and I'm just like SJD in this respect, I hate bragging and bs, and most especially untrue bragging, that I truly can't bear.

    And yes, I know a lot about the last 45 years of pool, and I know a lot of old school players.

    And thank you Terry, for this post. And for calling me your friend. Not many on here would do that. But many, like gulfport doc, just react with unfounded prejudice, and choose to 'shoot the messenger'.

    Old School
    Last edited by OldSchool; 07-28-2010, 11:25 PM.

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    • #17
      For the sake of proving nothing to a bunch of people who have nothing to do.....

      Did Fred and Tony play?


      WHO WON?

      DID THEY PLAY AGAIN???

      Answer those 3 questions. If Tony told the truth, as Beard seems to confirm, that shows my retelling of a 20 year old story(WHATEVER) as being consistent with the truth.

      Tony, as I said, was disturbed at the very mention, and had the attitude of "That hack beat me" but yet admitted to never matching up again. It was as if Tony stood on the "I am Tony Fargo" plateau and being defeated must be an accident. But if so, why not return and play? As I said before, out of RESPECT for Tony, I ended it there. Why? Why would respect keep me from finding more out? BECAUSE HE WAS OBVIOUSLY DISTURBED ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATION. So I respectfully ended the conversation.

      And, as we know, one of Fred's strong suits is laying a situation on someone, using the surroundings, in the Fred/Artie style of TORTURE. And I like thinking about all the sadistic thing they did through the years...lol One way or the other, Fred made it so Tony didn't like it. You tell what you remember, but I saw the look in Tony' eyes, in the way he moved, and his attitude. He hated admitting that defeat. And remembering it.

      Old school, I mean no disrespect whatsoever. As memorable of a time as I had with Tony, I am confident in my abilty to recollect what he told me. And I am aware that Tony was better, and they played IN CHICAGO where Freddy was stronger. Under those CIRCUMSTANCES Tony didnt play him any more.

      Tony just doesn't like Chicago Sadism. Leave it there I guess?
      The "Tyrranosaurus" of "One-Porous"..

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      • #18
        I'll not attack or defend either OldSchool or Freddy, but I will make a point that is valid.

        I have a very good friend who was in many of the same poolrooms as I was when action was going on. Sometimes it was one of us in action and sometimes it was us viewing the action.

        We sometimes have different memories of what happened and who was involved. I might tell a story and he might say "no, that's not what happened, here's how it went". We sometimes get names wrong, games wrong, bets wrong, eyeballers wrong, poolrooms wrong. Most of the time we remember correctly (or so we think), but sometimes we remind each other of the way we remember it and it jogs both of our memories.

        Sometimes, a particularly significant event may have happened during a match and it makes it easier to remember but for most of the run-of-the-mill matches that weren't so memorable, we may not remember them correctly the first time around. We've also found that it's easier to remember what happened when we were the ones playing a match instead of being the spectator. Things just seem more important when it happened to you rather than you just seeing it happen and therefore they are most likely to be remembered correctly. Even so we sometimes have to jog each others memories.

        Again, just to make the point and not to impugn or support anybodys stories, my own memory has been suspect several times and my good friend has reminded me of how something really happened or vice-versa. I am always surprised at how I can believe something really happened one way and then I am convinced that it happened another way.

        At the times 10, 20 or 30 years ago when playing or viewing matches, they didn't seem important enough to remember anything about them. Now it seems they have been indelibly stamped in my mind but time has proven they are sometimes wrongly remembered. That's just me but I suspect that we all sometimes have incorrect memories without necessarily lying about things intentionally.

        Dennis

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        • #19
          oldschool why do you choose to be anonymous?

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          • #20
            My 40s

            [QUOTE=OldSchool]Never said Newfosgatesucks lied for you --- as you said, I believe he is a fan boy who you don‘t know from Adam. What I said was he is wrong. And he was --- and you confirmed it. As for your game with Tony at the Billiard Café, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I remember it as being in the 80’s --- it was at the old original Billiard Cafe location. And it was a 2 ball spot. And you weren’t over the hill at that time, you were only in your 40’s. And, truthfully, I didn’t say who won, because I don’t remember. I won’t lie, guess or exaggerate on this site. I’ll only speak the truth, if I know it.

            I am going to make another confession or sorts and leave everything alone for awhile. I am going to NY in a few hours to hang with a genuine pool legend, Brooklyn Jimmy, for a couple days. I am going to avoid computers and just concentrate on betting on Jimmy's horse picks at Saratoga.

            80s, 90s? I do know I played Tony the 2nd time after the Chicago Bumps Tournament that Gary Spaeth won. FYI, my over-the-hill began at age 39, in 1979 when I began doing cocaine. The condition worsened in 1982 when I graduated to freebase. My game moved to a series of infrequent highs, and naturally some very lows. I finally packed that sh*t in around the early 90s, but the damage had been done. What many people dont realize is that any type of speed has an ultimate permanent negative effect on vision.

            More trivia. I am sure I played Tony one more time between Bensingers and the Billiard Cafe, but I cant remember any of it. I do know I won, but that it wasnt significant, tournament, mini-tournament or for cheap money? We also played for $!0 a game at Chris's billiards a few years ago. Just fooling around.
            I'm not even sure if I won or lost. I know we only played a couple of games. I got a spot, forgot what, but I know it wasnt nothing outrageous.

            I just didnt like that "mid-level shortstop one pocket player" rating.
            A shortstop wouldnt have ever beaten, Cliff Joyner ($1200), Efren Reyes, Jose Parica, Luat, Chris MacDonald ($1500), Cole Dickson (20 games), Mike LeBron ($900), Bug Rucker ($400), Mexican Johnny, Artie (every blue moon or so), Bill Incardona (North Shore on a 5 x 10), Cecil Tugwell, Bernie Swartz, James Brown, etc.
            And whether I beat them once or twenty times dont make all that much difference. At least to me.

            Beard

            You still havent addressed Newfosgatesucks original report that he got from Tony. The one where he and I played at Bensingers and got strummed. Do you think Tony told him that so that he could help my book sales too?
            New stuff on my site. 100s of pgs. of pool goodness
            www.bankingwiththebeard.com

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            • #21
              Originally posted by OldSchool



              And thank you Terry, for this post. And for calling me your friend. Not many on here would do that. But many, like gulfport doc, just react with unfounded prejudice, and choose to 'shoot the messenger'.

              Old School
              Originally posted by cowboyDennis
              At the times 10, 20 or 30 years ago when playing or viewing matches, they didn't seem important enough to remember anything about them. Now it seems they have been indelibly stamped in my mind but time has proven they are sometimes wrongly remembered. That's just me but I suspect that we all sometimes have incorrect memories without necessarily lying about things intentionally.

              Dennis
              In the end, all we have are our stories. I can still play pool but who knows when that will fade. I prefer to tell stories about people I've known, rather than about myself, but that's just me. I never had anything to do with knockers of any type and they knew better than to come tell me who somebody was. Ergo I have a pretty substantial " beaten by " list. LOL
              I agree with Dennis 100%.

              As for "But many, like gulfport doc, just react with unfounded prejudice, and choose to 'shoot the messenger." "That's totally out of line, If you're ashamed of who you are or what you've done, then don't post your name. The reaction by Doc is definitely not unfounded when the poster is anonymous.
              Rod.
              Rod.

              Rodney Stephens.
              (e-mail) rod.stephens0105@att.net(e-mail) #713-973-0503 is now working

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              • #22
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                Old School there is no doubt that you've been around and know the skinny on a lot of the old time players, but why do you need to expose these types of things? for what valid reason? You have to realize that you weren't going to win a popularity contest when you posted this. Freddy is not only one of the best and most popular members on one pocket.org. but is very much respected amongst his peers.

                Freddy has great credentials, and has a lot to offer, and has offered greatly in his 50 plus years of existance in this sport. Freddy is actually a hero to a lot of people (including me) and if you need to expose someone, please use better descretion.

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                • #23
                  Www

                  I dont understand the takedowns either.Theres a wealth of info here that never was available to slow people not to mention stupid that they would never have access to.Its free! Its here! All because of Freddie,Billy,Grady etc. etc.Nobody has a lock on memories and its only getting darker unless your 18 like FL and some of the others who are on their way up.Keep on keepin on,B

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                  • #24
                    Whenever I hear someone say, "I have no axe to grind or I hve no dog in this fight", it always seems as if they do.

                    If any of us, old farts and even some of the younger ones were held to every claim we ever made or staked our lives on our "perfect" memories most would come up short.

                    This is a pool forum and, fortunately for most of us, not a court of law. If I am gonna call out someone on what they say in a public forum, I hope I would not do it behind a mystery personna, unless I was not so sure of my words or had, perhaps, a small axe to grind. If I hear Doc say something I don't beleive, I'd be able to drive down south a few hours and ask him, man-to-man. If I want to call Grady or Beard or anyone else a liar, I could simply do so in front of them at DCC or in a private note. I don't see the need to wholesale question guys who, even if they may tell their side of a story on occasion, are at least pretty damn open about hwo they are on here.

                    After all, if you have never shaped your stories for your own benefit, you may just be a saint. Of course, we will never know as the right to face your accuser does not seem to get the same high play as your right to "drive-by" shoot.

                    Pool players play with the truth, well I never would a thunk it!

                    DeeMan
                    Dee Sands
                    Brantley, Alabama
                    Last edited by Deeman; 07-29-2010, 05:52 PM.
                    DeeMan

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                    • #25

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by wincardona
                        Old School there is no doubt that you've been around and know the skinny on a lot of the old time players, but why do you need to expose these types of things? for what valid reason? You have to realize that you weren't going to win a popularity contest when you posted this. Freddy is not only one of the best and most popular members on one pocket.org. but is very much respected amongst his peers.

                        Freddy has great credentials, and has a lot to offer, and has offered greatly in his 50 plus years of existance in this sport. Freddy is actually a hero to a lot of people (including me) and if you need to expose someone, please use better descretion.
                        With you on this, Bill.

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                        • #27
                          old school your a fool

                          Thats right..Old School..youre a fool!!..you cant win here..even though

                          i agree with you on the bragging thing.. no doubt..and i beleive in telling

                          the truth as well..but it doesnt solve anything..doesnt do nothing but

                          create hard feelings..i have known alot of bar players..that were great..

                          but did they exspand their stories..hell yea..i have done the same..i admit

                          i hustled..and to the best of my ability i can say over a 5 year span

                          i won more than 150k..and very few losses i asstained..is that a story..hell

                          yea..i can surely tell you some..about the gays..the blacks..the Itailians..

                          and Oreintals..that i played with in their bars..pool knows no boundarys

                          when it comes to race..religion or greed...or stories..we just love the

                          people and the game and the stories from the ones that made this game

                          great..did i contribute..hell yell..every young person i give my 2 cents

                          worth..bought a couple books last week from Eddie Robin..we were on the

                          phone for hours..best treat i have had in awhile..what history..if only...so

                          with no hesitation..if i felt like you i would have posted this also..but you

                          are 1 of the few my Freind..Randy Urban..AKA..StrokerAce

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                          • #28
                            Oldschool, I can personally detest your statement, alleging myself of bein a fanboy.

                            You see, I never bought a book, a shirt, a hat, ANYTHING from Fred. Or anything he has written or sold. EVER. I am a self-teacher. In music, Pocket billiards, 3-cushion, and several other things.

                            What DOES stick out like a sore thumb here, is that you made a biased, predisposed allegation publically, intended at my expense--without any TRUE knowledge of what you proclaim. And we are supposed to trust a person who shows THIS type of behavior? We need to get right, you are dead wrong concerning myself.


                            Futhermore(in friendly manner) if you ARE in fact 'Old school' that means you have many many years on mysef. Which inherently implies your memories should be many many times foggier than mine as well. lol

                            Nothing personal, or begrudged - but you definately stand corrected concerning my title as "Fanboy". That sir, is as far from the truth as it gets.

                            Perhaps the rest of your post may read better if the False accusation were removed from it. Considering the claims made, it would certainly strengthen the integrity of it.
                            The "Tyrranosaurus" of "One-Porous"..

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by lll
                              oldschool why do you choose to be anonymous?
                              oldschool in case you missed my post i bumped it

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by lll
                                oldschool why do you choose to be anonymous?

                                III, calired already answered this for me when you asked this same thing in a thread a few months back --- here it is again:


                                Originally posted by CaliRed
                                I don't have a problem with anyone that is anonymous on the Internet. I imagine 75% of all forum members on the Internet are anonymous to some degree.

                                As far as OldSchool goes.... he/she probably finds it easier to be brutally honest by remaining anonymous. Think about it. If you could share your true feelings about people at your job, you can't do it with people that work with you, a person you trust, could tell someone they trust and next thing you know, you calling the boss a assh*le has now got back to the boss. You can't go on Facebook or forums and say that stuff either. Someone could read it and next thing you know, someone's emailed a link to you saying that and sent it to your boss. That could result in a uncomfortable workplace

                                Same thing goes with your friends. I can't be brutally honest about how I feel about my friends to their face or make a hurtful comment about a friend of my friend. People, for the most part, cannot handle brutal honesty. They are hurt by it or harbor resentment. You usually have to construct your comment to make it less hurtful, beat around the bush some, water it down.

                                When your anonymous, you can tell it the way it it without any repercussions. That could be a bad thing or a good thing. There are many ways that someone could abuse that and do it for the wrong reasons. If someone was to do it, just to maybe open some people's eyes, then that might be a valid reason.

                                Jury's still out for OldSchool, at least for me. He doesn't appear, so far, to be just a vindictive dude trying to seek revenge on people he doesn't like. To me, he seems like he's trying to open up some people's eyes or at least make them think a little more by offering what he believes to be true statements, that may not be popular.

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