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  • #31
    Originally posted by lll
    oldschool in case you missed my post i bumped it
    Put me down with lll as far as thinking that making a post like this while choosing to not say who you are is weak...real weak.

    Why would anyone believe what you say anyway? You claim to know, EXACTLY, everyone's speed and seem to feel a need to call FTB a liar, but you give no reason for anyone to take you seriously. He's not claiming to be the greatest ever, he's just saying he knows his sh!t and can beat the best sometimes when he's playing his best.

    Were you a player that anyone would know? Is there anything you have done in pool that remotely compares to putting out a well received book on banks, helping Efren learn one pocket, commentary on Accu-Stats that my friends agree is one of the best learning tools for 1P and banks out there, the love he showed Bugs during his last days...?

    SJD needles Freddie, but at least he was a top player who I know has paid his dues. Other than his video against Joyner, I can't think of much he's done that helps me learn anything about pool, however.

    A friend made a bank shot the other day, turned to me and said "Freddie the Beard, half ball hit...". I showed another shot to a different friend trying two railers (long rail- long rail) with a tip from his book, he made 2 of 3, said "That works good..."

    That's worth 1000 posts from anonymous knockers...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by fred bentivegna
      You still havent addressed Newfosgatesucks original report that he got from Tony. The one where he and I played at Bensingers and got strummed. Do you think Tony told him that so
      that he could help my book sales too?

      You know what Beard, we both agree strongly about one thing --- how idiotic it is for someone to stubbornly defend an opinion that is only based on hearsay, and not on what they saw with their own eyes. That said, I didn’t address your Bensinger’s game with Fargo because I wasn’t there, didn't see it --- I don‘t post what I don‘t know. But since you want me to comment, I will. I would guess that it happened as you said it did. I did after all, say that you banked at near top speed. So your subject to beat Fargo one time on your own home court.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by newfosgatesucks
        Oldschool, I can personally detest your statement, alleging myself of bein a fanboy.

        You see, I never bought a book, a shirt, a hat, ANYTHING from Fred. Or anything he has written or sold. EVER. I am a self-teacher. In music, Pocket billiards, 3-cushion, and several other things.

        What DOES stick out like a sore thumb here, is that you made a biased, predisposed allegation publically, intended at my expense--without any TRUE knowledge of what you proclaim. And we are supposed to trust a person who shows THIS type of behavior? We need to get right, you are dead wrong concerning myself.


        Futhermore(in friendly manner) if you ARE in fact 'Old school' that means you have many many years on mysef. Which inherently implies your memories should be many many times foggier than mine as well. lol

        Nothing personal, or begrudged - but you definately stand corrected concerning my title as "Fanboy". That sir, is as far from the truth as it gets.

        Perhaps the rest of your post may read better if the False accusation were removed from it. Considering the claims made, it would certainly strengthen the integrity of it.

        newfosgatesucks, I hereby take back calling you a fanboy

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        • #34
          And sorry Bud, doc, and the rest of you who think my being anonymous negates what I say --- other members on here have strongly stated that they don't feel that way, here's their posts from a past thread of mine:


          Originally posted by Cowboy Dennis
          Let me say for the first and hopefully the last time: It does not matter who Old School is, not his name or anything else about him. There are many posters on this forum who's names I don't know. It does not detract from their credibility in the least with me.

          I judge a man by his ability to consistently, given the passage of time, remember and relate his points. Old School has done this in my eyes.

          Dennis

          Originally posted by CaliRed
          I don't have a problem with anyone that is anonymous on the Internet. I imagine 75% of all forum members on the Internet are anonymous to some degree.

          As far as OldSchool goes.... he/she probably finds it easier to be brutally honest by remaining anonymous. Think about it. If you could share your true feelings about people at your job, you can't do it with people that work with you, a person you trust, could tell someone they trust and next thing you know, you calling the boss a assh*le has now got back to the boss. You can't go on Facebook or forums and say that stuff either. Someone could read it and next thing you know, someone's emailed a link to you saying that and sent it to your boss. That could result in a uncomfortable workplace

          Same thing goes with your friends. I can't be brutally honest about how I feel about my friends to their face or make a hurtful comment about a friend of my friend. People, for the most part, cannot handle brutal honesty. They are hurt by it or harbor resentment. You usually have to construct your comment to make it less hurtful, beat around the bush some, water it down.

          You just have to be the type that understands that. If I posted something and was way out of line in Dennis's eyes, I believe he would follow up and tell me exactly that. If he felt I was being a jerk, I don't think he would say things like..."You might have been a little harsh" or "You could have phrased it better".... I think he might say... "You were just being a jerk about it" And I shouldn't be all bent out of shape because of it, I should just understand that's his opinion and I'm not going to lose his friendship over it.. just because he called me a jerk

          When your anonymous, you can tell it the way it it without any repercussions. That could be a bad thing or a good thing. There are many ways that someone could abuse that and do it for the wrong reasons. If someone was to do it, just to maybe open some people's eyes, then that might be a valid reason.

          Jury's still out for OldSchool, at least for me. He doesn't appear, so far, to be just a vindictive dude trying to seek revenge on people he doesn't like. To me, he seems like he's trying to open up some people's eyes or at least make them think a little more by offering statements, that may not be popular.

          Originally posted by demonrho
          Oldschool,

          I welcome you back 'cause I like to hear all the different takes on what went down in the good old days of pool. (Just like the Greeks loved to hear Homer recount the glorious battles of old during the Trojan War.)

          P.S. I don't mind if peoples want to stay anonymous - though as a good old boy born and raised in downstate Illinois I would keep it confidential if you were to PM me your real identity


          Yeah, and there's only hundreds of posters over at azbilliards who are totally anonymous, have been for years, and nobody has a problem with that, or believing their posts.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by wincardona
            Old School there is no doubt that you've been around and know the skinny on a lot of the old time players, but why do you need to expose these types of things? for what valid reason? You have to realize that you weren't going to win a popularity contest when you posted this. Freddy is not only one of the best and most popular members on one pocket.org. but is very much respected amongst his peers.

            Freddy has great credentials, and has a lot to offer, and has offered greatly in his 50 plus years of existance in this sport. Freddy is actually a hero to a lot of people (including me) and if you need to expose someone, please use better descretion.

            Billy, I already said why, in my first post --- because it's just too much to take.

            And you know what? --- by the way you worded your post, reprimanding me by twice using the word "exposing", you inadvertently, subconsciously, confirmed what I posted about the Beard.

            Last of all, and nobody chooses to acknowledge this, I said a lot of positive things about the Beard and his pool game in my post.

            Old School

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            • #36
              Even

              Ok men,thinking were even after all is said and done.Lets start out fresh tomorrow.Were all traveling at different speeds,adieu,B

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              • #37
                OldSchool.... since we got some nice pics from years gone by freshly posted, why don't you step up your game a bit, and contribute some stories on some of the players you were close to.

                I mean, it's perfectly acceptable for you, or anyone else for that matter, to state their opinion on the Chicago scene, which you have done here.... but this forum thrives on people expressing opinions on all kinds of things pool related.

                So start a new thread and tell some stories. You obviously have a mind that can remember stories from years ago and you have command of the English language, so out with some stories.

                This forum is all about giving and receiving and us younger folk, tend to like to hear good gambling stories or behind the scenes action on the players we all know and respect.

                Or is the only time we're going to hear from you, is when you want to take someone down a notch or stir the pot a bit?

                Contribute! My offer with Grady stands with you too... I"m sure you got some pics, let me professionaly scan them, share them with your onepocket bros. How about some videos then? Got any old videos? How about some old pool stuff? Documents, letters, flyers, IOU's, shots on a napkin... whatever

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                • #38
                  OldSchool:

                  As long as I'm still on your good side, can you answer me this? How would you rate Mexican Johnny? Is he a valid candidate for the One Pocket Hall of Fame - at least in the After Hours Division? Artie B. rated him up there but the Beard would never really answer my inquiries. SJD seemed to have dismissed him but they played in the '90's, I believe, when Johnny was in really bad shape from age, illness, and other things. And everyone else is mum.

                  I ask you, because you being anonymous, nobody will jump on you if you let the cat out of the bag. I am truly curious and want whatever you consider the brutal truth. It won't effect my esteem for Johnny because I watched him live out his last days on the green felt and saw what he was really made of.

                  And I do welcome you back - I do appreciate your take on things. I love hearing all points of view and onepocket.org should be the place for that. But don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I don't realize what all the Beard's done for pool and how great a player he was. In fact, I have picked up some truly deep insights about the game from a couple of the Beard's hints.

                  Also, because I appreciate all facets of the game, I don't mind guys who brag and exaggerate a bit like Fatty or even Shakespeare's Falstaff did. It's all good. Everyone sees things differently, anyway, like Dennis pointed out.

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                  • #39
                    Big Head

                    Originally posted by demonrho
                    OldSchool:

                    As long as I'm still on your good side, can you answer me this? How would you rate Mexican Johnny? Is he a valid candidate for the One Pocket Hall of Fame - at least in the After Hours Division? Artie B. rated him up there but the Beard would never really answer my inquiries. SJD seemed to have dismissed him but they played in the '90's, I believe, when Johnny was in really bad shape from age, illness, and other things. And everyone else is mum.

                    I ask you, because you being anonymous, nobody will jump on you if you let the cat out of the bag. I am truly curious and want whatever you consider the brutal truth. It won't effect my esteem for Johnny because I watched him live out his last days on the green felt and saw what he was really made of.

                    And I do welcome you back - I do appreciate your take on things. I love hearing all points of view and onepocket.org should be the place for that. But don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I don't realize what all the Beard's done for pool and how great a player he was. In fact, I have picked up some truly deep insights about the game from a couple of the Beard's hints.

                    Also, because I appreciate all facets of the game, I don't mind guys who brag and exaggerate a bit like Fatty or even Shakespeare's Falstaff did. It's all good. Everyone sees things differently, anyway, like Dennis pointed out.
                    Mexican Johnny Vasquez was often called "Big Head" in Chicago. I have a page or so of stories about him, but they are at home on my computer and I am in NY at a motel. Does Mexican Johnny belong in the Onepocket HOF? IMO, he certainly does. I just dont like to agree with Artie about anything. If he hadnt opened his mouth, and challenged me about Johnny's credentials I would have brought them up myself.

                    Johnny was a terrific all-around player, Nineball, onepocket and banks. 5 x 10, 4 1/2 x 9 and the bar tables. He played Jersey Red even Onepocket on the 5 x 10 (table 13) in Bensingers in 65 or 66 and Red quit even. One the 5 x 10's in Bensingers he got few challenges from road men to play any of the above games. That held true for years. Only the top, top, bar players could beat him doing that also. He was a natural player who didnt have to practice, could play drunk, could come off the bench ice-cold on a strange table and could bet big money (If he was getting staked. He seldom gambled with his 'horse money."). His strongest suit was coming out of the box in dead stroke. That was very intimidating to whatever road man he was bucking. They played push out back then, and usually players like to warm up a little before they attempt to shoot long hard cut shots. Johnny, however, would lazily fire at the first thing sticking out and warp it in. This usually paralyzed his oppo. They figured if he shot that good right off the bat, what was going to happen when he settled down? Unfortunately for them, they didnt know what I had discovered about Johnny. It didnt get no better than that. He was just a fast starter. He usually got weaker at the set progressed, but his opponents didnt know that, and they usually dogged it badly enough for him to win anyway. If he missed a ball later they thought that it was just a miracle, rather than him getting weaker.
                    Gotta go now.

                    Beard
                    New stuff on my site. 100s of pgs. of pool goodness
                    www.bankingwiththebeard.com

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by fred bentivegna
                      Mexican Johnny Vasquez was often called "Big Head" in Chicago. I have a page or so of stories about him, but they are at home on my computer and I am in NY at a motel....Beard
                      Thanks, Beard. Really appreciate your input. Would love to sometime see those stories about Johnny. The only thing I've really seen in print about Johnny is an old George Fells article complaining that Johnny used to hound him all the time to play with a "Watchyawannado?" And then, there's Eddie Robins little blurb in WOP where I had Johnny scrawl his autograph just before his demise.

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                      • #41
                        "how idiotic it is for someone to stubbornly defend an opinion that is only based on hearsay, and not on what they saw with their own eyes."

                        I certainly hope this was directed towards my statement. Because your opinion is flawed, as well. So I offer yet another "opinion" to help you out.

                        My Opinion - Eye-witness account is flawed, proven so in the legal system time and time again. And the percentage of time it is flawed is substantial - Therefore your proclaimed, Perfect eyewitness account leaves something to be desired. So we are left to gather EVIDENCE.... The only remaining evidence being the two players who played, Fred and Tony. Both of which claim Tony lost.

                        Opinion #2. I began playing pool at a YOUNG age, and gambling around 13 years old. I LIVED UPSTAIRS FROM A POOL ROOM(not a bar) for a portion of my teen years. I learned how to read people at a young age. Too young perhaps. And my goal in the pool room has never changed - it's about the love and the money.(in varied order...lol) Love and money motivate. Bringing about desire, persistence, LEARNING... When I say Fargo was way upset about what happened, it is coming from a guy who can see a lot in a person in a little time. And guess what? Tony didn't like the game WHERE and HOW it was with WHO it was with. And, it just so happens, that in 25 years, Fargo never went back to get his, I mean, FREDDIES cash that USED to be Tony's...lol I NEVER EVER said Freddy was better...I was saying Freddy shook him so badly he was furious years later....But even with the motivation of fury, didn't bother to return. Tony has been down three times, each of which I provided him with my racking service and occasonally won a game when left too many shots.

                        I mean no DIS, and No hard feelins, I am just saying that the 2 players stories agree. Which is enough to allow me the liberty of retelling it, and retelling what I saw....and experienced.

                        I can't understand why you have a problem with me telling what I saw, with MY eyes, but you are so happy to share what you saw with yours. And the part about them playing, once again, BOTH PLAYERS agree on the outcome, and guess what? I said it was 4 games, and VIOLA! a few posts ago that truth came up as well. IF I recall, it was by YOUR admission....So maybe plug it concerning my inadequacies, as what I told....DEFINATELY checks out.

                        Now, back to peace. Oldschool, I want to hear some old battle stories, Put em up!

                        Originally posted by OldSchool
                        You know what Beard, we both agree strongly about one thing --- how idiotic it is for someone to stubbornly defend an opinion that is only based on hearsay, and not on what they saw with their own eyes. That said, I didn’t address your Bensinger’s game with Fargo because I wasn’t there, didn't see it --- I don‘t post what I don‘t know. But since you want me to comment, I will. I would guess that it happened as you said it did. I did after all, say that you banked at near top speed. So your subject to beat Fargo one time on your own home court.
                        The "Tyrranosaurus" of "One-Porous"..

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by demonrho
                          OldSchool:

                          As long as I'm still on your good side, can you answer me this? How would you rate Mexican Johnny? Is he a valid candidate for the One Pocket Hall of Fame - at least in the After Hours Division? Artie B. rated him up there but the Beard would never really answer my inquiries. SJD seemed to have dismissed him but they played in the '90's, I believe, when Johnny was in really bad shape from age, illness, and other things. And everyone else is mum.

                          I ask you, because you being anonymous, nobody will jump on you if you let the cat out of the bag. I am truly curious and want whatever you consider the brutal truth. It won't effect my esteem for Johnny because I watched him live out his last days on the green felt and saw what he was really made of.

                          And I do welcome you back - I do appreciate your take on things. I love hearing all points of view and onepocket.org should be the place for that. But don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I don't realize what all the Beard's done for pool and how great a player he was. In fact, I have picked up some truly deep insights about the game from a couple of the Beard's hints.

                          Also, because I appreciate all facets of the game, I don't mind guys who brag and exaggerate a bit like Fatty or even Shakespeare's Falstaff did. It's all good. Everyone sees things differently, anyway, like Dennis pointed out.

                          Demon, Mexican Johnny was a tremendous player at all games, and let me also add this --- he was a very intimidating presence at the table --- serious, and solid and strong as a mack truck. The Beard could tell you much more about him than I can however. I never saw him play that many times.
                          Old School

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by OldSchool
                            Demon, Mexican Johnny was a tremendous player at all games, and let me also add this --- he was a very intimidating presence at the table --- serious, and solid and strong as a mack truck. The Beard could tell you much more about him than I can however. I never saw him play that many times.
                            Old School
                            Thanks, OldSchool, for getting back to me on Johnny. Look forward to hearing more of your insights on the good old days of pool. By the way, as you probably know, Johnny wasn't always a "Chicago" player. He told me he was raised (and I think born) in Fort Worth, Texas. He didn't have a drivers license - so I used to use mine to get him motel rooms. I was new to L.A. (and didn't know any better;-) so when I met first him, I used to drive him around to hustle pool in scary parts of town in bars full of Honduran heroin dealers. Would love to hear from anyone who saw Johnny play in other parts of the country, like Texas.
                            Last edited by demonrho; 08-04-2010, 01:56 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Terry is my friend, one of my best online friends, he loves pool. And if you can't say something good about someone don't say anything at all!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Fatboy
                                Terry is my friend, one of my best online friends, he loves pool. And if you can't say something good about someone don't say anything at all!

                                Eric.....Don't worry about Terry..he's in good hands over here, we'll protect him from the bad guys....

                                - Ghost
                                jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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