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  • #16
    Originally posted by newfosgatesucks
    You should bank the 3 up on your side, cueball left on the END rail, there is no strength in trying to freeze on anything other than the RAIL.

    And you get a chance to knock them away next inning, one by one and develop YOUR position. You should happily do that.
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    From my perspective the hook is very important. Even If you leave them froze on the rail you are leaving a free shot. Having two balls on their side gives them many offensive options with the ball you just sent up table.

    In many cases frozen is powerful but in this case I don't think so.

    If my diagram doesn't show what you were describing please change it so it does I might not understand your shot.

    Dudley

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dudley
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      From my perspective the hook is very important. Even If you leave them froze on the rail you are leaving a free shot. Having two balls on their side gives them many offensive options with the ball you just sent up table.

      In many cases frozen is powerful but in this case I don't think so.

      If my diagram doesn't show what you were describing please change it so it does I might not understand your shot.

      Dudley

      This is not a bad shot if you can get the three ball thier.It looks hard to ge it theier and leaving the cue ball were its showen. But its not a bad shot.

      And next shot if he brings the 3 ball to his pocket or makes it it could be roff. But thats not bad.

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      • #18
        I'm signing up and getting access to the wei. Sure saves typing.
        The "Tyrranosaurus" of "One-Porous"..

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        • #19
          Hate to admit it...

          ...But I have to go with Artie's intentional scratch. By choosing that option you switch the pressure to the other player. You go from you having to execute a difficult shot perfectly to keep from losing the game, to now putting your oppo is a similar fix. If he makes the long combination he can win, but if he mis- executes, he loses. Options other than the combination are not very good either. I look at those situations like, "Let 'em make it and win. God bless him."

          I have tried to bank that 1 ball from that distance many times, and have hit it too thin and went right into the pocket many, many times.

          Personally, I love taking intentional scratches. I call it, "Feeding the dog in you, but living to pet him another day."

          Beard
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          • #20
            I was thinking something like newfosgate, except not trying to send the 3 ball very far -- I still want it on my side, only up toward the side pocket. Those who are concerned about the two balls on the opponent's side -- remember those are also in perfect one-rail bank locations for ME. This looks easy to control without any fancy stroke, why not?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by NH Steve
              I was thinking something like newfosgate, except not trying to send the 3 ball very far -- I still want it on my side, only up toward the side pocket. Those who are concerned about the two balls on the opponent's side -- remember those are also in perfect one-rail bank locations for ME. This looks easy to control without any fancy stroke, why not?

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              I had an almost identical situation come up last night and tried your shot. My opponent three railed the two and got out. I didn't know he had in in him.

              We're both aged used-to-be's trying to make it back. We play every week or two. Buddy can't make a cut shot or a straight in shot but he's hell on multi-rail banks. And I'm a slow learner it seems.
              "If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."---unknown

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              • #22
                A stiff

                Originally posted by NH Steve
                I was thinking something like newfosgate, except not trying to send the 3 ball very far -- I still want it on my side, only up toward the side pocket. Those who are concerned about the two balls on the opponent's side -- remember those are also in perfect one-rail bank locations for ME. This looks easy to control without any fancy stroke, why not?

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                You are going to leave a very makeable straight back. Using about 1/4 ball, or a little more, cut with right hand english, with the cue ball going over to the left side long rail, then over to the right side long rail and then heading down to the bottom rail while the object ball has a chance of going into or getting in front of his pocket.

                I show this shot on my DVDs.

                Beard
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by fred bentivegna
                  You are going to leave a very makeable straight back. Using about 1/4 ball, or a little more, cut with right hand english, with the cue ball going over to the left side long rail, then over to the right side long rail and then heading down to the bottom rail while the object ball has a chance of going into or getting in front of his pocket.

                  I show this shot on my DVDs.

                  Beard
                  I like Fredys shot on what he said because the 3 ball could even get in a position were the player can shoot the three ball. then he can loose his position having you on defense.

                  But this is a bad position too be in no matter what you do. And the thing to realy lean from this is to get your opponent in this position that is the important thing too learn.

                  Gettin out off this trap is hard and risky. Unless you get a good role. Because its hard to reay do anything good from her. And if you shoot the other side off the shot that freddy shot and the pther player banks the ball to his pocket you you have 3 balls too deal with

                  And the cue ball down the end rail. And tes you can leave a two railer on Freddys shot. But the player shooting the 2 railer will leave the cue ball in a differnt angle. Were you can shoot the 2 ball away two rails too youre side off the table.

                  But whatever we do from that position is not too much. So the realkey is what to do soo you dont get in that position. And whatever I shoot I will still be in trouble.

                  Because were the balls are. But Its a better shot shootin the 3 ball on the side Freedy said. I have too check my bloos presure agreeing with a bank pool player.

                  Im glad it wasnt a bank shot. Imagine picking another shot instead off shooting the bank. Id rather be handcufft to a boat going out too sea.

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                  • #24
                    What about a deliberate scratch over on his side and leave the 2 ball combination.When you spot a ball you hide the 3 ball.

                    NOW the situation is reversed. If he takes the combo and misses he loses.
                    If he goes behind the 3 he leaves a bank. I think he might be in BIG trouble?

                    What do you think? Don't know why I didn't see this sooner?

                    Bill Stroud

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                    • #25
                      Samiel, don't let anyone convince you that you shot a bad shot. The situation comes up a lot and there is nothing wrong with shooting it the way you did.

                      On another note, I can't imagine the best players in the game today would choose to go backward here. Cliff maybe, I've seen him take scratches in weird spots, but usually when he is giving up a lot of weight.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bstroud
                        What about a deliberate scratch over on his side and leave the 2 ball combination.When you spot a ball you hide the 3 ball.

                        What do you think? Don't know why I didn't see this sooner?
                        Bill Stroud
                        Bill,

                        Maybe you missed post #10.


                        Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
                        Thats not bad. I would say most people would bank the one ball and hit the two ball with the cue gall. But thats close to a scratch too from the angle its showeing.

                        I would take a intentenale scratch and see what my opponent will do if he does the wrong thing I can win.

                        And I would role the cue ball too the other side off the table about a quater or a half a dimond from the top rail and a quater dimond off the side rail. And hope he shoots tge combination.

                        Because you are in a tough position I wouldnt want too be in this position and its my shoot.
                        Dennis

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                        • #27
                          Dennis,

                          I guess I missed post 10.
                          Should have known.

                          Bill Stroud

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bstroud
                            Dennis,

                            I guess I missed post 10.
                            Should have known.

                            Bill Stroud

                            I like what I see Dennies Rtroud is not looking Just too argue or through up just another shot. When he sees whay is the best choice. He will fess up too it.

                            And thats as honest as a person can be. And what else he does that I like the most he goes into detail and explaines Why he is doing it. And only a person that knowes what he is doing realy explaines his shoot.

                            And he makes it verry clear. And that is what needs too be done on every shot. Because after he explains it. And its the best shoot thier ie nothing else too talk about and you can go on too a new shot.

                            But unless thier is a conclousion on what shot everone is still in dought but the correct shot is astablished.

                            Without explaining it its hard too get a resulte. And it also rells me that he sees ahd understands the shot thats why he agrees. And once he sees it he has no problem changing it.

                            He has been away from pool I guess for a while it doesnt come back all at once. Even though you once learned all the shots. Our mind remembers it all in our memory but it still has too bring it all back.

                            And I have also rememberd now witch I forgot how much the breack is realy worth with a week player playing a strong player.

                            The breack is way worth more too the good player than the week player.I game like 18 to 4 the breack too the week player might be worth 1 ball.

                            To the good player its probable worth 4 balls. Thats how I see it. And there will be lots off oposition.

                            I just thought off it Billy Stroud do you no how too do probabilities in math. Buy how you talk I think you might just no how too do it. I hope. Because I have a problem for you to figure out.

                            Or you mite no someone who cand do probabilitys. It could come in play making Cues. But my qouistion is on something thier was a long debate and the answer was never givin.

                            And I dot like people learning and thinking that a probability person cant come up with the answer. I no thier is a answer. I dont no how too do the math or I would do it.

                            When I dont no a answer I go to some one who mite or maybe they no someone that can give the answer. I dont care for some saying thier is no answer.

                            When I no thier is. You mite be the wright man. Or howe too get the correct answer. And I no probabilities is the only way the can figure out the correct percentages.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by senor
                              Samiel, don't let anyone convince you that you shot a bad shot. The situation comes up a lot and there is nothing wrong with shooting it the way you did.

                              On another note, I can't imagine the best players in the game today would choose to go backward here. Cliff maybe, I've seen him take scratches in weird spots, but usually when he is giving up a lot of weight.
                              Senor ..I don't know if you heard that Bobby's place closed down for awhile ..why don't ya come over and slum with me and Rod one afternoon when your not swingin the clubs ..one thing that is difficult to grasp for me ..when to take a scratch and the ramifications ..kinda of like in chess when ya get to the point where your trading pieces ..sometimes a knight or bishop with a pawn to gain the high ground

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MARK..HOU TX
                                Senor ..I don't know if you heard that Bobby's place closed down for awhile ..why don't ya come over and slum with me and Rod one afternoon when your not swingin the clubs ..one thing that is difficult to grasp for me ..when to take a scratch and the ramifications ..kinda of like in chess when ya get to the point where your trading pieces ..sometimes a knight or bishop with a pawn to gain the high ground
                                There's definitely no one pocket book that defines when you should take a scratch to try to improve your position. Usually your opponent gets really lucky and leaves you in a spot where there really is no other option.

                                Obviously, at the beginning of the game when the stack still exists, you should do whatever you can to get the cue ball stuck to the stack. Sometimes that means taking an intentional, but I was pretty good at finding a way to get whitey stuck behind the stack using a legal shot.

                                PS I hadn't heard about Bobby's and I will drop by if I am around

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