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  • #31
    Originally posted by fred bentivegna
    ...But I have to go with Artie's intentional scratch. By choosing that option you switch the pressure to the other player. You go from you having to execute a difficult shot perfectly to keep from losing the game, to now putting your oppo is a similar fix. If he makes the long combination he can win, but if he mis- executes, he loses. Options other than the combination are not very good either. I look at those situations like, "Let 'em make it and win. God bless him."

    I have tried to bank that 1 ball from that distance many times, and have hit it too thin and went right into the pocket many, many times.

    Personally, I love taking intentional scratches. I call it, "Feeding the dog in you, but living to pet him another day."

    Beard
    If you take the intentional, can't your opponent over-cut bank the spotted ball to his side, with inside english, and send the cue ball up table? I can't tell for sure if I can avoid running into the 1,2 without actually being at the table though, but I feel like I can. And if you can, then the intentional is no good here. And if the shot I described isn't available, then all I would do is take an intentional right back, just making sure you can't see the 3 ball. I'm a big fan of the intentional scratch, not here though.

    I like Dudley's shot here.

    What do you do if your opponent back scratches right back at you? What ever you do, in my opinion, you had a much better shot the 1st time around.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by timdog24
      If you take the intentional, can't your opponent over-cut bank the spotted ball to his side, with inside english, and send the cue ball up table? I can't tell for sure if I can avoid running into the 1,2 without actually being at the table though, but I feel like I can. And if you can, then the intentional is no good here. And if the shot I described isn't available, then all I would do is take an intentional right back, just making sure you can't see the 3 ball. I'm a big fan of the intentional scratch, not here though.

      I like Dudley's shot here.

      What do you do if your opponent back scratches right back at you? What ever you do, in my opinion, you had a much better shot the 1st time around.

      Theese guys are geting tougher Freddy If he scratches back. Im going to do the same thing. And if he scratches back.

      Well I have to take a chance. And shoot the two ball into the one ball and stop wright thier so if he banks the 3 ball he will get a kiss.

      And if the one and the two role the way I want them too I will be ok The two should go by my side rail by the 2 dimond and the one should go behind the 4 balls on the spot thats if I hit it right,

      But I dont like it but thats all I have.If I make the one ball thats ok too. Because the two ball shoud go over to my side. And I try too shoot the two ball into the one ball rail first.

      And if I hit it perfect for him. THe one will go in his pocket and then he will have the two ball right in front off his pocket and I will loose the game.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Artie Bodendorfer
        Theese guys are geting tougher Freddy If he scratches back. Im going to do the same thing. And if he scratches back.

        Well I have to take a chance. And shoot the two ball into the one ball and stop wright thier so if he banks the 3 ball he will get a kiss.

        And if the one and the two role the way I want them too I will be ok The two should go by my side rail by the 2 dimond and the one should go behind the 4 balls on the spot thats if I hit it right,

        But I dont like it but thats all I have.If I make the one ball thats ok too. Because the two ball shoud go over to my side. And I try too shoot the two ball into the one ball rail first.

        And if I hit it perfect for him. THe one will go in his pocket and then he will have the two ball right in front off his pocket and I will loose the game.

        Artie, do you really like shooting dead frozen off the back rail while on 2 fouls, trying to remove 2 balls from your opponent's side and make sure you leave the double kiss on the 3 ball - over just simply banking the 3 up table and repositioning the cue ball under the 1 from the beginning, like Dudley described?

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        • #34
          Using top left, cutting straight into the rail, left throws ball long and top causes cueball to change direction after the hit, slowing it down. Analyze what he can do from here! He has to move or MUST MAKE a two-railer or he gives you a shot.


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          • #35
            Originally posted by fred bentivegna
            You are going to leave a very makeable straight back. Using about 1/4 ball, or a little more, cut with right hand english, with the cue ball going over to the left side long rail, then over to the right side long rail and then heading down to the bottom rail while the object ball has a chance of going into or getting in front of his pocket.

            I show this shot on my DVDs.

            Beard

            Now that we played the game out to tht breacing point. I think I would rather have shot freddys shot. I dint figure on my opponent taking 2 scratches back.

            THats why you have too no your opponent. But we wont no what woul happen tell I shoot the combination. But its no good even if I get oput off it.

            Because I traped myself figuring he would shoot or do somrthing different. But I didnt look real good after my first scratch I would definly have to do something different then just take a scratch back. But I didnt reay look I will tommarow.

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            • #36
              I expected that my opponent would scratch back because it is a terrible position but I have never played the 3 foul rule in one pocket.

              I was hoping he would take one or more scratches before I had to shoot again.

              I guess one pocket has become more of a tournament game than a gambling game. Go figure.

              Bill Stroud

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bstroud
                I expected that my opponent would scratch back because it is a terrible position but I have never played the 3 foul rule in one pocket.

                I was hoping he would take one or more scratches before I had to shoot again.

                I guess one pocket has become more of a tournament game than a gambling game. Go figure.

                Bill Stroud

                You have said a mouth full tournements have changed the rules. And they have made the rules not only worse.

                THey are stupit and horrable. And everyone thinks its ok. Because they say we all have too play by the same rules.

                Yes but that still doesnt change that they are bad rules.

                And in one pocket that rule was made by gamblers THe 3 scratch foul rule. So you couldnt take a million fouls in a row and needer player will shoot.

                And its not fair if you have someone in a trap. And the cant get out and you are playing a race to 3 and you are anead 2 too nothing.

                And you will have too be the person that shoots first. Because you are up 2 games to nothing. Why would you want to keep scratching and keep scratching.

                When you have a 2 too nothing lead in games. And put the session in jepordy off not finishing because both players keep scratching. And too be fair too the player that has the lead.

                They only way you can do that is with a fair rule. I always played that way with Bugs and everyone I played.

                And when I was Hustling pool. I would never play anyone a game for fun. I would rather practice by myself and learn.

                But the tournements have destroid the rules. Thats partley because Of the sponsers TV. And too speed up the game.

                People have too understand people running tournemenys are selling something. They dont care who wins the tournement.They are thier too make money.

                If it were not for the money they would not be thier. They dont care who wins the tournement or what the rules are.

                They do whatever they have too too make money. No matter what rule they have too make too get it done.

                And the quickest way to get the tournement over with.

                I need for everyone to see this and understand why the rules were made for tournemets not for gambling or the good off the game.

                But to change any rule that will help them too do what they have too too make the tournement succesfull..

                They are not made for the good off the game. But the good for themselves. And the tournements.

                And the rules were not made better too have a better rule in the game.. But the were made for the tournements Goog or bad.

                THe rules were made because the made them and the were not legele rules or too better the game.

                They were made for the wrong reason. To make tournements succesfull. And Thier were never rules nade for gambling or Hanndy cap games.

                THose rules should be way different. But they use the tournement rules for handycap rules the same for both games.

                And I see it very clear now that the rules are wrong for tounements and gambling the same.

                But thats all proplr have too go by unless they make thier own rules.

                So the bottom line is people are not playing by the best or correct rules. But they are playing by the rules too help the tournement to be succesfull. And Thier you have it.

                MR Billy Sroud Welcome back to the game you new and what it is tooday.

                Good by joe me oh my oh. Sonoff a gun were having fun me oh my oh. I dont remember all the words too they song. But thats for you Billy Stroud.

                THe times have past us by. WE are at the finish line. THe new generation has taken over. THe meek shall inherite the earth. What about the new generayion.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by newfosgatesucks
                  Using top left, cutting straight into the rail, left throws ball long and top causes cueball to change direction after the hit, slowing it down. Analyze what he can do from here! He has to move or MUST MAKE a two-railer or he gives you a shot.


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                  NFS,

                  Surely you jest . Even if you leave the rock on the end-rail you would be leaving me my favorite, all-time one-pocket bank shot, this two-railer. Since you got lucky and left me where it probably doesn't go , I'd try to do this and I'd probably be very close to the leave you see here.

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                  • #39
                    Artie,

                    You're right. Tournaments ruined 9 ball.
                    What the hell is one foul 9 ball.
                    If you really want a new rule it should be if you miss a shot it is ball in hand.
                    That stops all the luck.

                    I can't stand ball in hand 9 ball. You run a few racks on your opponent, get him a little weak and next thing you know he gets ball in hand and gets his courage back.

                    Now they want to ruin one pocket?
                    I used to take as many intentional fouls as I thought was necessary to win the game. Kind of like playing Chicken with cars.
                    How far will YOU go to win?

                    Bill Stroud

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bstroud
                      Artie,

                      You're right. Tournaments ruined 9 ball.
                      What the hell is one foul 9 ball.
                      If you really want a new rule it should be if you miss a shot it is ball in hand.
                      That stops all the luck.

                      I can't stand ball in hand 9 ball. You run a few racks on your opponent, get him a little weak and next thing you know he gets ball in hand and gets his courage back.

                      Now they want to ruin one pocket?
                      I used to take as many intentional fouls as I thought was necessary to win the game. Kind of like playing Chicken with cars.
                      How far will YOU go to win?

                      Bill Stroud
                      THe did the same thing in eight ball cue ball in hand. You breack up your problem balls and you run out. Without cue ball in hand.They couldnt do that and make it that simple.

                      And in nine ball you cannot push out. If you are hooked.

                      You miss the ball gues what cue ball in hand. Its horrable. And Im not a nine ball fan .

                      But I no what is a good rule and whats wright, I think they should realy get dumb.

                      And if a player fouls you get cue ball in hand on every shot. Then they can realy get stupit.

                      Stupit people make stupied rules. Just like dumb people make bumb shots.


                      Its not about the game but about how much theycan make. THey care less about the game. And if it was not for thr money. They would not be doing it at all.

                      And the Casinos are her for the same reason. Too take Suckers and Squares money. I no because thats why I hustled for the money.

                      At least I can fess up too it. They wont ask them see what they say. And you will see I am Wright. Isnt that why everyone is working for the money too earn a living.

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                      • #41
                        why not be aggressive?

                        wild flyer for the win. just kidding.

                        but than again, in a chaep, friendly game?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by treeMan
                          wild flyer for the win. just kidding.

                          but than again, in a chaep, friendly game?

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                          Treeman for fun and practice you can try 50 different shots and moves. And you could even do it on the first try.

                          But the odds of coing it success full are to high foo shoot it in a money game or in a tournement.

                          Its like going too the race track the first time you go and you win.

                          You will go again because you think its easy and you can win.Soon they will have all youre money and everything you make.

                          Because you think you can win or get lucky and win.

                          Its like a tree once you take its roots thier is nothing left. A strong wind can blow off all the leaves and branches. But it cant take the trees ruuts.

                          In what ever we learn its great too have a great imagination. But you need something solid too make your game strong and learning the corecct shots will help you.

                          And you strengthen your roots by makeing good and correct choices. And learing a wrong shot is like haveing a broken branch.

                          I no you are kidding. But by making good choices will make you stronger. Like a tree and its roots.

                          I explained thiis way because off the name treeman.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by androd
                            I would have shot the same shot as you did. The problem I have is getting to much inside and leaving an angle for my opponent to play position.
                            That said I usually hit the 2 ball.
                            Its a decision to shoot or play safe off the 3 ball and under the 1 ball.
                            I usually shoot myself, the odds of making the ball or hitting the 2 ball are good. You may leave the CB straight in and far away, making it hard to get two balls unless you hit the 3 ball.
                            Rod.
                            Originally posted by Senor
                            Samiel, don't let anyone convince you that you shot a bad shot. The situation comes up a lot and there is nothing wrong with shooting it the way you did.

                            On another note, I can't imagine the best players in the game today would choose to go backward here. Cliff maybe, I've seen him take scratches in weird spots, but usually when he is giving up a lot of weight.
                            I can't believe the only two guys that would shoot the bank are from Houston. (Pool players heed this and hurry here)
                            I can't believe so many "knowledgeable" scared players would take an intentional foul here They should all hide under their beds.

                            Thank you Timdog24 for calling them out on this.
                            Rod.
                            PS, Don't know where you're from Samiel, hope you're from Texas also.
                            Rod.

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                            • #44
                              I have suggested several different shots but if you NEED to win the game 100% the scratch is the best.

                              It puts all the danger on your opponent and if he makes any mistake (shooting or judgment) you WILL win the game.

                              Bill Stroud

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                              • #45
                                [QUOTE=androd]I can't believe the only two guys that would shoot the bank are from Houston. (Pool players heed this and hurry here)
                                I can't believe so many "knowledgeable" scared players would take an intentional foul here They should all hide under their beds.

                                Thank you Timdog24 for calling them out on this.
                                Rod.
                                PS, Don't know where you're from Samiel, hope you're from Texas also.[/QUOTE

                                You can be the player with the big heart and be the first one too pay off. Thier is a big difference between heart.

                                And braines. I seen lots off people that played with lots of heart and showed how big thier heart was.

                                And all the did was loose thier money with all thier heart and courage.

                                And we all no what we call some one that looses his money because he had too much off a heart.

                                To much heart can turn you into the best sucker. And too much heart has got a lot off people hilled. Heart does not win over thinking.

                                Heart is like a one way street. It only goes in one direction. And the have a one track mind. One way only.

                                Thinking is the and the correct answer is the besy saulouion too a problem.

                                Its good too have heart but not if your choice is a poor decision.

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