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  • I like the shot in post #163. It's hard to screw it up too much and yealds safety and table advantage.

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    • Not a bad shot

      Originally posted by Skin
      Fred, my original shot choice was to tap the head ball and put the 3rd on the rail or bring it back up into the line, leaving the cb frozen on the head ball. If you really want to know, I still think that is a good shot with the shooter needing one and the opponent needing three.

      Please do not draw me into the personal conflict. I have no stomach for it. I just want to learn how to play better and have a little back-and-forth fun with th guys on this site. Zat's all.

      Know that shot well. However, it is much stronger in bank pool. The downside in onepocket, when you are trying to protect your lead, is that your oppo will spin off the ball you are frozen to and send you to the end rail with all 3 balls in play. (ie., long rail, to the long rail, down to the bottom head rail)

      Lets call this another axiom. Needing one, never leave all the balls in play down on the foot rail, no matter if they are tied up, seemingly out of play, or what -- if you can help it. The head ball freeze shot leaves them all in the danger zone.

      Beard
      Last edited by fred bentivegna; 07-07-2011, 07:40 AM.
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      • Petie?

        Originally posted by petie
        I like the shot in post #163. It's hard to screw it up too much and yealds safety and table advantage.
        That's the shot that lost the game for Joyner. Apparently it was easier to screw up than you might have thought. Look at the next post #164.

        Beard
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        • Why? I'll tell you why

          Originally posted by SJDinPHX
          ..Tell me this is not the musings of an ego-maniac...He answers his own question, and then backs it up, with his own logic.. (me,me,me,me,me,me, I,I,I,I,I,I,I)... Don't know why it rubs me so wrong, but it does.
          No matter how much I despise a knocking creep like you, this "ego-maniac" still tries to pass down my 50 years of accumulated knowledge as best I can. My disgust with you doesnt stop me from that. If you ever managed to come up with something valuable about pool, I certainly wouldnt knock or ridicule what you said. And I never have. My personal ethics wouldn't allow me to do that.
          Unlike you, who admitted you wanted to ridicule my selection. You still added the preposterous charge of "risky" to it. And unfairly and unobjectively, kept to that same line. You ridiculed Dennis for even considering it.

          If anyone goes thru every post in this thread they will not find one word I said against your shot choice. No ridicule, only a presentation of logical arguments of why I might shoot the shot I proposed.

          And your obsession with me operates in the opposite direction. You dont really care if what I have to say is valuable to those that want to hear it. You would much rather defuse me than allow others to maybe learn something.

          Finally, to address your last question,... "Don't know why it rubs me so wrong, but it does."
          Because you are a lonely, bitter, washed-up old man, with no life, and you resent the shit out of a same generation, contemporary like me. A 70 yr old who aint given up yet, and still has enthusiasm for pool. I still write, I still play, I still teach, while you just resent and knock.

          Beard

          If you would have just left me alone and kept your pus mouth shut I wouldnt have brought it to this.
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          • Originally posted by fred bentivegna
            That's the shot that lost the game for Joyner. Apparently it was easier to screw up than you might have thought. Look at the next post #164.

            Beard
            My bad I meant post 165 where the balls are lined up on the spot.

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            • No need for furthering his capacity to insult...He is getting too repetitious for me, or anyone else I know !..For anyone who still gives a s**t..just re-read Post #206..(with a little editing..)

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              • Originally posted by SJDinPHX
                No need for furthering his capacity to insult...He is getting too repetitious for me, or anyone else I know !..For anyone who still gives a s**t..just re-read Post #206..(with a little editing..)
                I, for one, don't give a shit about this infantile feud. I do, however, care a great deal about the one pocket savvy you both have even when you don't agree with each others' shot. I'd bet a bundle I'm not alone.

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                • Originally posted by petie
                  I, for one, don't give a shit about this infantile feud. I do, however, care a great deal about the one pocket savvy you both have even when you don't agree with each others' shot. I'd bet a bundle I'm not alone.
                  usally ive learned when someone wants to bet they are right

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                  • I'll take part of that bet... but I will say, if ever they meet and play, someone needs to tape the "sharking" just to play for future generations... hell put a mike on both of them and let them talk us through the shots... I think everyone would learn something from it...
                    I would put a 100 perhaps even stake one of them to get them to vegas to play in the new TAR challenge room...

                    Bille
                    Execution of the shot, some days I have it some days I don't...

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                    • Originally posted by Skin
                      Fred, when I thought about this shot originally the one thing that bothered me was leaving the cb very close to the opponent's uptable corner. From there he may have an angle to go off the head ball (the 1 in your diagrams) and spin the cb two rails to underneath and frozen to the ball on the rail (the 3).

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                      Now I am hurting because all three balls are in play and I now have lousy options for getting the cb safe. This is why I like the cb leave on the foot rail like in Dick's and Billy's shots.

                      Skin
                      I am now in France and my opinion about this routine shot has not changed. Just like Cooney saw it, I see it, there is zero, nothing wrong with the shot Cooney selected. It lends to an up table game with zero, no risk what so ever. I have been in this position many times, and I have personally witnessed many top players shoot the same shot without hesitation. Needing one ball this is clearly the correct shot. I believe what the objective is, is to force all balls up table, correct?

                      Billy I.

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                      • Billy,

                        If you are in Paris try this restaurant:

                        Paolo Petrini
                        6 rue du Débarcadère, 75017.

                        I have eaten there many times.
                        Best Italian food in Paris.

                        Bill Stroud

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