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  • #16
    Androd said my math skills are bad, but

    Jack breaks and makes a ball, runs 7 and hangs the 14

    Breaks and makes a ball +1 runs 7 +7
    7 + 1 = 8 what am I missing here, because he broke and continued the run he couldn't have owed one.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SJDinPHX
      If I am Jack, I am going to place the cue ball just a little off center, and come off the head ball, with just enough speed for the rear ball, to come back to the 2 balls still on (or near) the spot..Cue ball will go side rail, end rail, and wind up near Cliffs pocket...possibly forcing him to help me move the balls uptable... Not a lot different, then the standard shot, for two balls on the spot, and you only need one.

      Not just trying to be different, nothing wrong with the other shot, if you hit it good...I have just caught too many side corners, (or worse, scratch in the side, or corner) Also if you over-juice the ball, to avoid those pitfalls, and hit the third ball just a little thin, you can come back and break up the two balls on the spot....Not good !
      sjd are comming you from where the q ball is now or from the other side??
      beacause the shot can be done from both sides of center
      although from where the q is now it will probably go foward to the end rail without hitting the side rail

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      • #18
        Originally posted by u12armresl
        Androd said my math skills are bad, but

        Jack breaks and makes a ball, runs 7 and hangs the 14

        Breaks and makes a ball +1 runs 7 +7
        7 + 1 = 8 what am I missing here, because he broke and continued the run he couldn't have owed one.
        Cliff knocked the 9 ball in the side, so when he followed the game ball in Jacks pocket 3 balls came to the spot.
        Rod.
        Rod.

        Rodney Stephens.
        (e-mail) rod.stephens0105@att.net(e-mail) #713-973-0503 is now working

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        • #19
          sjd are comming you from where the q ball is now or from the other side??
          beacause the shot can be done from both sides of center Not if you want to wind up close to Joyners pocket you can't..
          although from where the q is now it will probably go foward to the end rail without hitting the side rail
          Larry,

          I'm shooting from the players left, left of center (opposite from where it is in the video) ...As I said, it is the most common method, if only two balls are on the spot...You have to find the right spot for the cue ball...to shoot gently and make the the cue ball wind up, hopefully froze on the short rail, about 6-8 inches from his hole
          Last edited by SJDinPHX; 06-30-2011, 03:29 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SJDinPHX
            Larry,

            I'm shooting from the players left, left of center (opposite from where it is in the video) ...As I said, it is the most common method, if only two balls are on the spot...You have to find the right spot for the cue ball...to shoot gently and make the the cue ball wind up, hopefully froze on the short rail, about 6-8 inches from his hole
            Ducky I've never shot it like this, but it seems to be a very good shot.
            I'll try to remember it next time I decide to play safe.
            Rod.
            PS hope the diagram is correct.

            <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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            Rod.

            Rodney Stephens.
            (e-mail) rod.stephens0105@att.net(e-mail) #713-973-0503 is now working

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            • #21
              Originally posted by androd
              Ducky I've never shot it like this, but it seems to be a very good shot.
              I'll try to remember it next time I decide to play safe.
              Rod.
              PS hope the diagram is correct.

              <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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              It is not real close Rod, but thanks for trying. The cue ball (before shooting) will be a little closer to the center, and it will come off and hit the RH side rail just above Cliff's pocket (which is on the right)..and have the Q wind up frozen on the bottom rail, about 6" from his pocket (ideally)...Remember, I am also trying, to shoot just hard enough to make the balls "recluster" near the spot.

              PS..Just registered for Poolbz...I'm going to learn it, if it takes me 50 yrs....oh, wait....
              Last edited by SJDinPHX; 06-30-2011, 05:28 PM.

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              • #22
                this is another way to play it
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                • #23
                  heres the 2 ways with 2 balls on the spot and commentary from our own site
                  <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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                  When you need only one, and both balls are on the spot with ball in hand, the more conservative standard safety is just to roll into the head ball with a fairly full hit to leave the cue ball near the foot rail and move both balls to your side

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                  • #24
                    another 2 ball safety with commentary
                    <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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                    Another conservative way to play safe off two balls on the spot. Cutting the head ball to the left helps push the two balls towards your side, andwith practice it is pretty easy to consistently leave the cue ball close to foot rail.

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                    • #25
                      so for 3 on the spot would you approach the safety the same???

                      freddys option a good one imho most would not do with 2 balls i dont think
                      but before we go on to what cooney shot how he left cliff and what do you do next
                      please comment on the variuos safety options here
                      by the way if you were really behind and looking for flyers can the ball on the spot still be made with draw?? or are there too many balls behind it to move it foward enough

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SJDinPHX
                        It is not real close Rod, but thanks for trying. The cue ball (before shooting) will be a little closer to the center, and it will come off and hit the RH side rail just above Cliff's pocket (which is on the right)..and have the Q wind up frozen on the bottom rail, about 6" from his pocket (ideally)...Remember, I am also trying, to shoot just hard enough to make the balls "recluster" near the spot.

                        PS..Just registered for Poolbz...I'm going to learn it, if it takes me 50 yrs....oh, wait....
                        OK, so I set this up exactly as Dick described, shot it, and...SCRATCHED. Another !@#$%^& hard-as-hell San Jose Dick shot!

                        Just kidding.

                        That's a smart shot in that situation, Dick. I'll remember it. My first instinct was to just go perfectly flush into the head ball, freeze on the head ball. and bring the back ball back to where it started off the foot rail. But if the balls on the spot are off even a smidgen from straight in a line, you can wind up sorry. Learned that lesson the hard way...

                        Skin
                        Skin

                        "It's easy!" - Coach Acosta, former Mexican pro, instructing his 10 y/o little leaguers

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                        • #27
                          What does knocking the 9 in the side have to do with breaking, making a ball and then running 7. In that scenario the 9 or 14 don't come into play cause you are already at 8.



                          Originally posted by androd
                          Cliff knocked the 9 ball in the side, so when he followed the game ball in Jacks pocket 3 balls came to the spot.
                          Rod.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by u12armresl
                            What does knocking the 9 in the side have to do with breaking, making a ball and then running 7. In that scenario the 9 or 14 don't come into play cause you are already at 8.
                            joyner ran 6

                            9 comes out, 14 comes out, joyner owes a ball

                            cooney needs one, joyner needs em all

                            right?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by u12armresl
                              What does knocking the 9 in the side have to do with breaking, making a ball and then running 7. In that scenario the 9 or 14 don't come into play cause you are already at 8.
                              I thought you understood, when they said running 7 balls that it included the one made on the break. Big time tournaments are played even. I was trying to explain 3 balls on the spot. That is what I thought you didn't understand.
                              Rod.
                              PS, I didn't post it but it's kind of infered that they need 8 balls.
                              Rod.

                              Rodney Stephens.
                              (e-mail) rod.stephens0105@att.net(e-mail) #713-973-0503 is now working

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by u12armresl
                                What does knocking the 9 in the side have to do with breaking, making a ball and then running 7. In that scenario the 9 or 14 don't come into play cause you are already at 8.
                                Cooney made the 15 on the break. He then made the 7, 10, 6, 2, 4, 13 and jawed up the 14 from here to set the scenario for this thread.

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