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  • #31
    Originally posted by Skin
    OK, so I set this up exactly as Dick described, shot it, and...SCRATCHED. Another !@#$%^& hard-as-hell San Jose Dick shot!



    Just kidding.

    That's a smart shot in that situation, Dick. I'll remember it. My first instinct was to just go perfectly flush into the head ball, freeze on the head ball. and bring the back ball back to where it started off the foot rail. But if the balls on the spot are off even a smidgen from straight in a line, you can wind up sorry. Learned that lesson the hard way...

    Skin
    Skin baby,

    If you set it up exactly as I tried to explain, (cue ball 6-8" left of center), you could NOT scratch unless you hit the head ball horribly thin. You are trying to hit the head ball, gently, a little to the right,of a full hit...This will allow the cue ball, to drift over to the side rail, near the first diamond, and drop to the bottom rail near Cliff's hole. It will also (with the right speed)recluster all 3 balls, next to the spot... It can be shot the other way, with almost full ball hit, shooting from right of the center line, and hoping to float straight to the bottom rail. But, it is harder to judge the speed that way, and you will not wind up tying the balls up near the spot. I wish I could demonstrate the shot for you... Not having seen this video, I would be very surprised, if that is not what Jack shot...

    Rodney...One more diagram.....Please...I am trying to learn the latest version of WEI, or whatever it is called these days...
    Last edited by SJDinPHX; 07-01-2011, 01:33 AM.

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    • #32
      the shot i use and as long as you dont hit it horribly bad, works great for me.

      i shoot from the line near the rail on his side towards my hole. and hit the bottom ball very thin and drive it to the long rail above my pocket. it then comes across and down on the lower rail and is covered from view by the two top balls, leaving him up table with the cue ball.

      it is hard to mess this shot up.

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      • #33
        heres how joyner ran the balls after cooney jawed the 14
        <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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        dennis posted this 2 years ago
        thanks dennis for reminding me and letting me use it
        p.s.
        if you want to read what the cognescenti said back then here is denniss thread
        http://onepocket.org/forum/showthrea...oyner+wop+1998

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        • #34
          A good measure of intelligence...

          Originally posted by beatle
          the shot i use and as long as you dont hit it horribly bad, works great for me.

          i shoot from the line near the rail on his side towards my hole. and hit the bottom ball very thin and drive it to the long rail above my pocket. it then comes across and down on the lower rail and is covered from view by the two top balls, leaving him up table with the cue ball.

          it is hard to mess this shot up.
          ...is how much someone agrees with me. That would make you a very smart man. See my post #13.

          Beard
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          • #35
            Originally posted by fred bentivegna
            Just clip the bottom ball thin and run the cue ball back up the table. Leave the other 2 balls together on the spot. You do not want to put all three balls in play since you only need one. Whatever shot your oppo chooses, you should be able to take one or two balls out of play afterwards.

            Beard
            beatle i think this the shot freddy said he would shoot. yes??

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SJDinPHX
              Skin baby,

              If you set it up exactly as I tried to explain, (cue ball 6-8" left of center), you could NOT scratch unless you hit the head ball horribly thin. You are trying to hit the head ball, gently, a little to the right,of a full hit...This will allow the cue ball, to drift over to the side rail, near the first diamond, and drop to the bottom rail near Cliff's hole. It will also (with the right speed)recluster all 3 balls, next to the spot... It can be shot the other way, with almost full ball hit, shooting from right of the center line, and hoping to float straight to the bottom rail. But, it is harder to judge the speed that way, and you will not wind up tying the balls up near the spot. I wish I could demonstrate the shot for you... Not having seen this video, I would be very surprised, if that is not what Jack shot...

              Rodney...One more diagram.....Please...I am trying to learn the latest version of WEI, or whatever it is called these days...
              dick is this closer to your shot???
              <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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              • #37
                heres the other way
                <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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                • #38
                  you could hit the balls harder to drive the end ball(9) up table.

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                  • #39
                    this i think is freddys shot also suggested by beatle
                    correct this if its not accurate
                    maybe q ball closer to side rail??
                    you are clipping the 9 not scraping the stack
                    <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by lll
                      dick is this closer to your shot???
                      <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC= "http://CueTable.com/images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" WIDTH=750 HEIGHT=450 BORDER=0> </a>
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                      Almost exactly (cue ball a little more left of center) Thanks lll. I like my chances of freezing the cue ball better and leaving my oppo NO shot, than any other shot selection discussed so far.

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                      • #41
                        now that all the shots are up lets see if anyone has any other comments pro /con or otherwise.
                        sjd i know the suspence of what did cooney shoot is killing you

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by lll
                          now that all the shots are up lets see if anyone has any other comments pro /con or otherwise.
                          sjd i know the suspence of what did cooney shoot is killing you
                          Not really... If Jack shoots one of the other shots, I will still like mine best (for me)...If he does shoot mine, well,...lets just say there could be some severely deflated egos, possibly even at least one attempted suicide by gun...

                          PS..But, said party will probably survive...(because he misses just about everything he shoots at)...
                          Last edited by SJDinPHX; 07-01-2011, 10:37 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Ahh, missed the part where he just ran 7. Yea, I like Steves shot, have to make somthing happen or get set up to make and scratch on his last ball. You are right SJD, no wonder I cant win at this game. lol

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by lll
                              heres the 3 balls on the spot
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                              I can shoot this shot all the way from Italy and hit it great. Position the cue ball as if you were playing a spot shot and softly strike the head ball cutting it like you were trying to pocket the spotted ball in your pocket.The head ball will end up on your long rail and the coe ball will end up near Joyners pocket, any thing else would be uncivilized.

                              Dr. Billy I.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by wincardona
                                I can shoot this shot all the way from Italy and hit it great. Position the cue ball as if you were playing a spot shot and softly strike the head ball cutting it like you were trying to pocket the spotted ball in your pocket.The head ball will end up on your long rail and the coe ball will end up near Joyners pocket, any thing else would be uncivilized.

                                Dr. Billy I.
                                Bill, if you get into any trouble over there here's the best advice I can give you:

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