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  • #16
    The Bank Pool Hall of Fame

    Originally posted by hemicudas
    I would like to see the guy that they all dodged, if they knew him, in the One Pocket Hall Of Fame while he is still with us, Vernon Elliot.
    Bill, I gotta step in here. I loved Vernon, but OnePocket was his worst game. It took a player to beat him, but he couldnt compete with the HOF guys. Nine ball and bank pool was something else now. Very few of the HOF boys could keep up with Vernon playing banks. In the bank pool HOF, if there ever is one, he needs to go in on the first ballot. He couldnt beat me playing onepocket -- and wouldnt play -- but in nine ball he could give me the six and nine and 9 to 8 playing banks. (keep in mind I admit to very few humans being able to spot me playing banks) If there was a greatest stroke HOF and greatest hustler HOF, he would deserve to be voted in both. Eddie Taylor couldnt make some of the shots Vernon could.

    Old School Pool, bank on, brother!
    the Beard
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    • #17
      Originally posted by fred bentivegna
      ....Allen Hopkins -- NJ, I hate his style, but he can play.....
      I was just curious when you said you hate Hopkins' style if you meant his stroke (lack of stroke), or his actual One Pocket game/shot selection/knowledge, etc.?

      Thanks.

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      • #18
        Jimmy Fitzpatrick - (Rags)

        i doubt if many - or should i say any of the HOF members would be the favorite against Rags. I nominate Rags Fitzpatrick.

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        • #19
          Hoppie's game

          Originally posted by iusedtoberich
          I was just curious when you said you hate Hopkins' style if you meant his stroke (lack of stroke), or his actual One Pocket game/shot selection/knowledge, etc.?

          Thanks.
          An excerpt from my upcoming book, The GosPool According To The Beard:

          The most telling description regarding Ronnie Allen's One Pocket game came from top player, Bill Incardona, the voice of the Accu-Stat Pool Videos. When Bill was asked to rate Ronnie's game against Allen Hopkins of NJ, Billy gave this account: "I played Hopkins for $1000 a game in his basement in Jersey. He spotted me 10 to 8. Even though we were in his house, and he is a great player, his game is very conservative and predictable. I was totally comfortable and relaxed, and able to play my game, which allowed me to beat him. I later played Ronnie in Las Vegas, in my pool room, on my tables, for the same bet, and with the same spot, 10 to 8. The difference was when I played Ronnie, the whole time I felt like I was in a very hot oven. I never had a clue as to what Ronnie was going to do next. He was crashing balls and running out, and the cue ball was constantly flying around all over the table. I got to thinking the only safe place to leave the cue ball was in a bank vault."

          Does that answer your question?
          Old school pool. Bank on, brother!
          the Beard
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          • #20
            I believe his name was "John" Fitzpatrick as opposed to "Jimmy". I agree. If Eddie Taylor and Beanie thought that he was the best they ever seen or played, you know he was a killer.

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            • #21
              Lingo

              How about Hayden Lingo from Oklahoma City? I`ve heard he invented the game of 1P. Logically he should be honored for that if for no other reason.
              Last edited by FoxyCoxy; 09-28-2005, 04:19 PM.

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              • #22
                COOKIE M / STEVE COOK he was a guy that played his best-always, one of the good-guys!

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                • #23
                  The dead and undead

                  This is getting to be too hard. I keep thinking of more guys that deserve to be in. Earl Heisler from New Orleans, unbeatable on the wet tables. Isadore "Pony" Rosen from Chicago. Big Nose Roberts. Even Joe Procita who tried to spot Rags Fitzpatrick 9 to 8 on a five by ten table! He lost of course. Joe conceded that he had no chance on a 4 1/2 by 9. Maybe we need 2 categories, alive and dead. I think the guys that are alive should get first consideration. No-brainers who are still alive as far as I am concerned, are:

                  #1 Eugene Clem Metz -- Was even with Eddie Taylor for a long time.
                  #2 Marshall Squirrell Carpenter -- Big-time, big-money player.
                  #3 Artie Bodendorfer --his batting average was higher than Ty Cobb's.
                  #4 Eddie Kelly -- He used to sneer at the balls.
                  #5 Jose Parica -- Giant heart. Can bet his own money.
                  #6 Allen Hopkins -- Was #1 for awhile.
                  #7 Steve Mizerak -- Didnt know the game, but was close to #1 for awhile.
                  #8 Jimmy Fusco -- Watch him play and learn

                  This is a listing of who I think could beat who.

                  Old school pool. Bank on, brother!
                  the Beard
                  Last edited by fred bentivegna; 09-30-2005, 07:35 AM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by onepocket
                    So, who do you like for this second group of nominees, and why should they join the legends already in the One Pocket Hall of Fame?

                    "Champagne" Eddie Kelly should be a lock. He played about the same speed and style as Ronnie; he won tournaments; and he was a terror in the back rooms for the cheese.

                    Doc

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                    • #25
                      Such A List !

                      Virftually every name offered up deserves to be in the Hall, and I especially like Freddy's ability to shorten the list. The biggest problem is deciding who has to wait until next year.

                      One small correction. Haydon Lingo didn't invent One-Pocket. Apparently that was a guy named, if memory serves, Joe Hill. Lingo and Hubert Cokes were the two "locals" (Cokes lived in KC and OC during the early oil days) who learned the game and spread it among money players when they went east, Cokes back o Evansville, and Lingo on a long road trip all the way to Boston. Cokes got Fats into it early on and he talked it up, too.

                      Tom

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                      • #26
                        I don't see Buddy Hall's name mentioned, but maybe I missed it.

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                        • #27
                          A lot of great names have been mentioned and as I agree with most, I've felt that Eddie Kelly should have been one of the first. Ronnie told me that every time he gave Eddie 9-8, that either they broke even, or Eddie won. He further stated that every time they played even, Ronnie won, or they broke even.Another name that comes to my mind is Jack Cooney. He was cut fom the same cloth as Artie. He has snuck around this country for many years. P.S. ( VV did beat Ronnie in San Antonio two years ago. They played a race to four for $500 and VV won 4-3. I should know, I staked Ronnie!)

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                          • #28
                            Cant find his pocket

                            Originally posted by Smorgass Bored
                            I don't see Buddy Hall's name mentioned, but maybe I missed it.
                            Buddy was one of the top 9ball and 10 ball players of all time, and while he has won a few one pocket tourneys, he needs a guide-dog to find his pocket. Check out accu-stat tape, Baton Rouge 1 pocket Legends tourn. Buddy against Marco Marcus. Buddy survives in 1 pocket tourns. because of a fantastic stroke system, concentration, doggedness and heart. When Artie asked him to play 1pocket at North Shore Billiards, he laughed and asked for 10 to 8.
                            Old school pool. Bank on, brother!
                            the Beard
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                            www.bankingwiththebeard.com

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                            • #29
                              From what I've heard, Buddy's one pocket game in the past 10 years has been a lot stronger than it was in the 70s and 80s. I think it might be a bit of an exaggeration to say that he needs a guide dog to find his pocket.

                              Check out the Accu-Stats tape from 1998 Legends Tournament semi-finals. Buddy steamrolls Efren.

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                              • #30
                                My criteria is a little stricter

                                Originally posted by BackPocket9Ball
                                From what I've heard, Buddy's one pocket game in the past 10 years has been a lot stronger than it was in the 70s and 80s. I think it might be a bit of an exaggeration to say that he needs a guide dog to find his pocket.

                                Check out the Accu-Stats tape from 1998 Legends Tournament semi-finals. Buddy steamrolls Efren.
                                When I say Buddy doesnt know the game, I am speaking of what he is able to do in difficult situations against someone of equal ability that does know the game. Running 8 and out or making give-up bank shots doesnt qualify with me as knowing the game. If you think that call is bad, I also think Nick Varner could use a guide-dog -- and he can rob Buddy playing 1pocket! Both these guys are close pals of mine so I can get away with the knock, but I still stand by my position. In truth, I give credit to only a few humans that really know the game. My guys could miss and still batter you!
                                Jersey Red, Artie, Clem, Camp, Jimmy Fusco, Cannonball Lefty, Bugs, Marvin Henderson, Corn Bread, Steve Cook, Cooney, Boston Shorty, Kelly, Grady etc., etc.
                                If you want to call me an elitist, you are probably right. Final point, I dont care for the way Efren plays the game -- because I taught him, and I sneakily inserted many bad habits into his game -- and he's the best player that ever lived!
                                Old school pool. Bank on brother!
                                the Beard
                                Last edited by fred bentivegna; 10-04-2005, 08:05 PM.
                                New stuff on my site. 100s of pgs. of pool goodness
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