Bingo!! Chris, that's the correct response to this type of a leave. I have shot this shot playing one pocket 100's of times with great results, a shot that must be incorporated into one's arsenal of shots.I would also kick it but not to make it. I would shoot straight across with some lhe so that the cb hits the long rail then spins into the stripe full...banking it off the foot rail ending up in my quadrant between 1st and 2nd diamond..cb stays near foot rail.
That's an excellent shot Whitey, a little risky but in certain situations, it would be the best choice.https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=TGdKYWVma29faFItSnlFbUxVd19jcDZ1VHJ1OVVB
Larry, I found the video, and yes this is similar scenario. If you play the shot thicker into the ob then it assures that the ob does rattle in the opponent's pocket and still you can get the ob to your long rail around the 2nd diamond or so w/ cb going to upper kitty corner.
Most likely you will have to adjust what is put on the cb for the angle is different, probably slightly more high with quite a bit of right spin. Whitey
Thanks good doctor!Bingo!! Chris, that's the correct response to this type of a leave. I have shot this shot playing one pocket 100's of times with great results, a shot that must be incorporated into one's arsenal of shots.
Dr. Bill
So something like this. There is the chance of a two-railer leave, but for this particular result the side pocket looms large.Bingo!! Chris, that's the correct response to this type of a leave. I have shot this shot playing one pocket 100's of times with great results, a shot that must be incorporated into one's arsenal of shots.
BobI thought the standard reply is kick off short rail for a 1/2 ball hit with bottom right.
Cueball winds back around to center of foot rail.
Object ball goes to top corner on your side.
The path with the kick is roughly the same as for the direct around the table I just posted but I would feel that I have little control of the kiss after the cue ball leaves the head cushion. .... well, that didn't take long to find. Lots of kisses available, including this one:Bob
can you diagram this
i am at work and cant
look forward to testing this at home later
Thanks bob for the diagrams and advice on how to hit itThe path with the kick is roughly the same as for the direct around the table I just posted but I would feel that I have little control of the kiss after the cue ball leaves the head cushion. .... well, that didn't take long to find. Lots of kisses available, including this one:
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If you know what you're doing, it can also go well, just like the direct hit:
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The idea in both cases is to hit the OB thin enough that it goes end-side-end and not end-side-side.
It is also barely possible for my interpretation of the position and the particular table/cloth I've chosen in Virtual Pool to kick the OB into my pocket. It takes max left with some draw and swerve and you have to pass within a fraction of the OB on the way to the side rail. A small error in judgement can be a disaster.
This pattern is also available but you will likely get a kiss if you hit the OB too thick which sends it directly into the return path of the CB.
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If the object ball is a half diamond or less from the pocket, I kick it out, if it is more I 2 rail it and 3 rail the cueball , I don't see a need to add an extra element by going to the bottom rail first. A less likelihood of a kiss , but it makes the shot too much more difficult, imo especially for weekendersThe path with the kick is roughly the same as for the direct around the table I just posted but I would feel that I have little control of the kiss after the cue ball leaves the head cushion. .... well, that didn't take long to find. Lots of kisses available, including this one:
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If you know what you're doing, it can also go well, just like the direct hit:
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The idea in both cases is to hit the OB thin enough that it goes end-side-end and not end-side-side.
I think the benefit of kicking the ball is that sometimes when you 2 rail it , you can leave a return kick bank off your long rail, if you get the object ball close to the pocket, Cliff was a monster on those shotsbottom right, draw your cue to the second diamond and let it go three rails back to the bottom rail. The object ball chases the cue at much slower speed two rails to the top pocket and you are safe. It's the same shot you use when you are on the top rail and you are trying to two rail the ball to your pocket.