Coronavirus and old geezers (like me and you)......

Tobermory

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I stayed home today and played pool in my mind:

Here's what hardcore serious real social distancing looks like:

From Asaf Bitton MD, MPH | Executive Director | Ariadne Labs, Brigham and Women's Hospital | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health:
"I know there is some confusion about what to do next in the midst of this unprecedented time of a pandemic, school closures, and widespread social disruption. I have been asked by a lot of people for my opinion, and I will provide it below based on the best information available to me today. This is my personal and well-informed opinion, and my take on the necessary steps ahead.
What I can say as a physician and public health leader, is that what we do, or don't do, over the next week will have a massive impact on the local and perhaps national trajectory of coronavirus. We are only about 11 days behind Italy and generally on track to repeat what is unfortunately happening there, as well as much of the rest of Europe very soon. At this point, containment through contact tracing and testing is only part of the necessary strategy. We must move to pandemic mitigation through widespread, uncomfortable, and comprehensive social distancing. That means not only shutting down schools, work (as much as possible), group gatherings, and public events. It also means making daily choices to stay away from each other as much as possible to Flatten The Curve.
Our health system will not be able to cope with the projected numbers of people who will need acute care should we not muster the fortitude and will to socially distance each other starting now. On a regular day, we have about 45k ICU beds nationally, which can be ramped up in a crisis to about 93k. Even moderate projections suggest that if current infectious trends hold, our capacity (locally and nationally) may be overwhelmed as early as mid-late April. Thus, the only set of interlinked strategies that can get us off this concerning trajectory is to work together as a community to maintain public health by staying apart.
The wisdom, and necessity, of this more aggressive, early, and extreme form of social distancing can be found here. I would urge you to take a minute walking through the interactive graphs - they will drive home the point about what we need to do now to avoid a worse crisis later.
So what does this enhanced form of social distancing mean on a daily basis, when schools are cancelled?
I can suggest the following:
1. No playdates, parties, sleepovers, or families visiting each other's houses. This sounds extreme because it is. We are trying to create distance between family units and between individuals across those family units. It is uncomfortable, especially for families with small children or for kids who love to play with their friends. But even if you choose only one friend to have over, you are creating new links and possibilities for the type of transmission that all of our school/work/public event closures are trying to prevent. The symptoms of coronavirus take 4-5 days to manifest themselves. Someone who comes over looking well can transmit the virus. Sharing food is particularly risky - I definitely do not recommend that people do so outside of their family. We have already taken extreme social measures to address this serious disease - let's not actively co-opt our efforts by having high levels of social interaction at people's houses instead of the schools. Again - the wisdom of early and aggressive social distancing is that it can flatten the curve above, give our health system a chance to not be overwhlemed, and eventually may reduce the length and need for longer periods of extreme social distancing later (see what has transpired in Italy and Wuhan). We need to all do our part during these times, even if it means some discomfort.
2. Take walks/runs outside, but maintain distance (ideally 6 feet between people outside your family). Try not to use public facilities like playground structures as coronavirus can live on plastic and metal for up to 3 days, and these structures aren't getting regularly cleaned. Try not to have physical contact with people outside of your family. Going outside will be important during these strange times, and the weather is improving. Go outside every day if you can but stay physically away from others. Try not to have kids play with each other (even outside) if that means direct physical contact. Even basketball or soccer involve direct contact and cannot be recommended. If people wish to go outside and have a picnic with other families, I strongly recommend keeping distance of at least 6 feet, not sharing any food at all, and not having direct physical contact. Invariably, that is hard with kids, so these shared, "distant" picnics may be tricky. Do not visit nursing homes or other areas where large numbers of the elderly reside, as they are at highest risk for complications and mortality from coronavirus. We need to find alternate ways to reduce social isolation in these communities through virtual means instead of physical in-person visits.
3. Reduce the frequency of going to stores/restaurants/coffee shops for the time being. Of course trips to the grocery store will be necessary, but try to limit them and go at times when less busy. Consider wearing gloves (not medical - but perhaps washable) and of course washing hands before and after really well. Leave the medical masks and gloves for the medical professionals - we need them. Maintain social distance from folks. Take-out meals and food are riskier than making food at home given the links between the people who prepare food, transport the food, and you. It is hard to know how much that risk is, but it is is certainly higher than making it at home.
4. If you are sick, definitely stay home and contact a medical professional. If you are sick, you should try isolate yourself from the rest of your family within your house as best as you can. If you have questions about whether you qualify or should get a coronavirus test, you can call you primary care team and/or consider calling the Partners Health Care hotline staffed 8AM-8PM every day - 617 724 7000, or the Massachusettes department of public health at 617 983 6800. Don't just walk in to an ambulatory clinic - call first. Obviously if it is an emergency call 911.
5. We need to push our local, state, and national leaders to close ALL schools, events, gatherings, and public spaces now. A local, town by town response won't have the needed effect. We need a statewide, nationwide approach in these trying times. Contact your representative and the governor to urge them to enact statewide closures. As of today, 6 states had already done so. We should be one of them. Also urge them to fund emergency preparedness and make increasing coronavirus testing capacity an immediate and top priority.
I realize there is a lot built into these suggestions, and that they represent a real burden for many people, businesses, and communities. Social distancing is hard and may negatively impact others, especially those who face vulnerablities in our society. I recognize that there is structural and social inequity built in and around social distancing recommendations. We can and must take steps to bolster our community response to people who face food insecurity, domestic violence, and housing challenges, along with the many other social inequities.
I also realize that not everyone can do everything. But we have to try our absolute best as a community, starting today. It is a public health imperative. If we don't do this now voluntarily, it will become necessary later involuntarily, when the potential benefits will be much less than doing so right now.
 

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I think I might have caught it last month. I was around a large group of people and some of them were Chinese. Right after this outing I started coughing, and I never cough except back before I had my throat fixed a year ago that was closing up. Anyway they mentioned shortness of breath, and during those sick days I got up to just do some simple things and exhibited this symptom badly. Example-I got up to just get a duster thing and clean four sets of ceiling fans. Three of them I can reach from the floor with the long handled duster. For the one in the living room, I get a stepladder and go up just two steps to reach it. After I completed this simple task with the four fans, and carried the ladder back to put it away, I was so short of breath that I thought I was done.. Then I started getting temperatures that were strange that would come on suddenly and leave suddenly. The closest way I can describe it is if you've ever taken a big dose of Niacin and get a hot red flush to come over you.

My sister came by to drink coffee and talk about politics and other bullshit one afternoon during this time. About midnight that day she fell sick, but never called to tell me about it. She waited until she was feeling back normal to contact me.. She said for a few days she thought she was going to die. If it was the same thing, then it hit her a lot harder than me. She was down for some days. She's three years younger than me and she's a retired nurse. After a few days she said she could get up and walk around ok. She went to a doctor who gave her some pills that did nothing, however she was able to ride it out. Now she seems fine.
 

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When a crises like this is happening, it is Imperative that the leaders in charge give clear, scientific explanations, directions to the public of which they serve, stock market be dammed. It goes to the theory of how much can you take with you if you’re dead.
 

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wow...chilling...it is worse than anyone thought...protect yourselves and those you love, and everyone else too

Assist by not posting half-baked strategies for going to the pool hall that are highly-irresponsible in an open forum like this one. How many lurkers will get / have gotten infected by following that absurd strategy of yesterday, which you yourself did not follow?
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I've been looking for estimates of when the spread is expected to peak and decline here in the US. Of course they are all over the map lol. But I did not see any that showed a peak prior to July of this year, before it starts to ebb back down. That means it's very likely whatever strict rules or advisory guidelines about avoiding travel and larger social groups will probably not be going away until after July, as I interpret it. I thought it was pretty optimistic for the major sports leagues to announce like 30 day holds. It also means most likely our HOF event in New Orleans and our MOT fall smack in the rising curve. Of course nobody knows exactly what is going to happen.
 

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Assist by not posting half-baked strategies for going to the pool hall that are highly-irresponsible in an open forum like this one. How many lurkers will get / have gotten infected by following that absurd strategy of yesterday, which you yourself did not follow?

Perhaps like others, my strategy changed during the course of the day as I gathered and assimilated more information. When I responded to John's morning post that he was going into Hard Times, I was still thinking there might be a way to minimize exposures in a public pool room, and I said what I thought I would do if I went in. Later, learning more, I changed my mind and stayed home.

What is your approach to safety in a public pool room?
 

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Tobermory, I'll meet you over in the Coronavirus thread in the member's section to continue this. See you there.
 

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I live in a senior retirement community, they have now closed all facilities including the poolrooms, until possibly April 1. Went out shopping early this morning, some thing we normally do, it was crazy. I've been around a while like a lot of the guys on this forum and this is like nothing else I have ever seen. I am strongly hoping that this becomes a case of better safe than sorry. At this time I am not aware of any cases in our area.
 

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I am reasonably healthy at 80 years old, but realize I am in the more at risk group if/when I get it. I will be going to Hard Times, Sacramento today, hoping enough players show up to have our weekly one pocket tournament and pick up a little $ for a Cousins Cue I sold. (I have around 30 I am trying to move). It may be the last one for me for a while. I do take this seriously and intend to stay home when the numbers they predict start showing up. I will not be traveling or flying on any airplanes, so my plans to attend the Hall of Fame Dinner at Buffalos are cancelled. It is hard enough to travel anymore when you are not at risk. Stay safe my pool playing friends.
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From the half full side of things:
I'm catching up on my household projects; my wife is happy about that and so am I so it's a double bonus.
I'm catching up with relatives and old friends on the phone.
My daughter's school and our church are going online for the next 3 weeks and we'll adjust to that.
We have always had a stock of foodstuffs on hand for an earthquake emergency and because I'm cheap and lazy( :) ), so no panic trips to the store.
I did get out to the local poolroom Friday night although the hazmat suit was hindering my stroke. :)
Next two weekends I'll be planting the vegetable garden so lots of fresh air and exercise there.
Attitude is half the battle, keep yourself busy looking upward and forward. We live in a time and place with medical treatment available that was unimaginable a century ago; our predecessors faced similar adversity without such help. Respond with courage and good sense and be well.
 

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From the half full side of things:
I'm catching up on my household projects; my wife is happy about that and so am I so it's a double bonus.
I'm catching up with relatives and old friends on the phone.
My daughter's school and our church are going online for the next 3 weeks and we'll adjust to that.
We have always had a stock of foodstuffs on hand for an earthquake emergency and because I'm cheap and lazy( :) ), so no panic trips to the store.
I did get out to the local poolroom Friday night although the hazmat suit was hindering my stroke. :)
Next two weekends I'll be planting the vegetable garden so lots of fresh air and exercise there.
Attitude is half the battle, keep yourself busy looking upward and forward. We live in a time and place with medical treatment available that was unimaginable a century ago; our predecessors faced similar adversity without such help. Respond with courage and good sense and be well.
I'm doing a lot of the same things. Prepping Garden to be doubled in size this year, lots of fish in my pond to harvest, family is coming together more than ever.
 

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Weather's breakin' here too. Just planted a Bing Cherry tree out front. This one can get up to 25' wide and 35' tall. Perfect to block out the home katty corner from me. Been working on my car too. Gotta change all the soft lines in/out of fuel tank fill area, including vent hoses.
 

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Chicago poolroom attendance report - Sunday afternoon 3/15/2020...

Went to Chris's today - all of the regulars were there - 18 tables were going this afternoon - the poolplaying addiction is strong - one 3cushion player wearing a mask.
 

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when all the big poker rooms in l.a. closed down for the virus, that tells all. so be prepared for major shutdowns all over the country.
 
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