- Feb 17, 2009
Good points, Bill. Another attribute, which RA had, is an innate spatial feel for the entire table-- an almost geometric understanding of where the balls lay and how they might be re-arranged. RA had the uncanny ability to move groups of balls from his opponent's pocket over toward his. T-Rex has quite a bit of this natural ability. The other attribute that's absolutely necessary is confidence. One has to honestly believe that he is doing the right thing, and that it will be successful. OTOH, doubt compels mistakes and losses.Lots of good thoughts and commentary here on the recent match at Roy's. The one-pocket swamp is chock-a-block with shooters today. There is no doubt that Josh Filler is one of the very best, but how much of an edge could he have over Eklent Kaci, Jason Shaw, Skylar Woodward or Ruslan Chinakov? Maybe it's just that he is the only one who really wants to concentrate on the one-hole game, so far. As noted, the required knowledge is available, as are the videos of top players that one can study. The idea that intelligence might be the key has been suggested. In my opinion, it ranks behind imagination, although they often are found together. I believe it is what the late Ronnie Allen brought to the game, and also my own hero, Efren Reyes, whose videos I still view over and over. IQ levels may be a mystery, but creativity is obvious in the best one-pocket players, and will determine who sets the bar in the near future. That's what I think, anyway.
I think there are very quantitative reasons that does not work though. Moving I mean.Knowledge still means a lot, but only if the knowledgeable player is going to take you into deep waters to put you in positions you may not have thought about. If the old pro is going to try to out shoot the young pro, he is playing right into the novice shooter's wheelhouse. The old pro has to embrace the grind to "find out what Filler doesn't know", as Jeremy Jones often says. That usually means slowing the game down and making every ball count. No thoroughbred ever liked a sloppy track.
El Chapo, I think it is all relative to each individual match up. We can all agree that every decent pro has fire power, meaning they can pocket balls if that is what fire power means. There are some pros that pocket balls better than others, and we know who they are, the ones that win tournaments or place well.I think there are very quantitative reasons that does not work though. Moving I mean.
First, I hope nobody think I am saying moving is unimportant. More what I am saying is a guy has two years of one hole knowledge (under high pressure) he will be fine up against a guy with 20 years, as long as he has the edge in shooting.
Back to the point though... bear with me please... there was an Indian artifact burial site by my house where I grew up. They wanted to put apartments on top of the site, but the lawyers who fought against it won many victories in a row and the apartments were not able to go up.
Yet the next court battle the builders won. Guess what, that's all it took. Half a dozen court cases, the developers won a single case and now they are the winners forever.
Same principle applies in one pocket. The math just is not there. If you move move move, and that is your game, you miss your spot by an inch one time, or a ball leaks out unexpectedly when you go into the stack, and it is over.... forever like the apartments. It is highly favorable to be those apartment developers or the shooter in other words, because you only have to win once, whereas the other guy has to constantly perform and execute, constantly be perfect.
I really feel it should not even be a discussion to be honest, look at who wins one pocket tournaments. I think if moving was anywhere near as important as we think it is, great movers who are a cut or two below the shooters on offense would win often.
But there are reasons hardcore movers do not win tournaments guys!chappo
again i think you have to weigh the amount better in shooting to the amount better moving
if the shooting is close but the moving far favors the other player
you think the shooter will still win
because the better mover is probably more cautious
most games in most sports are won from who made the fewer unforced errors
Frost has a pretty erratic game, but I think my point applies perfectly to him. Sure he is a good mover with a lot of knowledge and experience, but let his thinking go south for a shot or two and next thing you know the other guy is on a roll. Idk if I am making any sense, this is just what I believe... knowledge is very easily overcome by good shooting. And I think the reason, in part, is as in Frosts example, you gotta move good and think good almost 100% of the time for it to be truly effective. A single misstep out of 100 shots in thinking or execution in the moving game, or a ball rolls off, and the shooter now possibly has a huge advantage. And I think we see this bare out when a player like fuller beats or domes close to beating these guys like frost.El Chapo, I think it is all relative to each individual match up. We can all agree that every decent pro has fire power, meaning they can pocket balls if that is what fire power means. There are some pros that pocket balls better than others, and we know who they are, the ones that win tournaments or place well.
An example of what you are trying to express, for me is Frost vs. Orcollo when they first played a challenge match. Frost is considered a shade less of a pocketer than Orcollo and at that time Orcollo was not the OP player that Frost is. Day 1. Frost let the game be played on Orcollo terms, and uptable game, and thus Frost dug himself a hole. Day 2. Frost does not allow the up table game and Orcollo could not hang (move) with him. Frost gain back much off the lead, but when getting close to the finish line then the one behind by a fair margin has to have everything go right, otherwise you lose. We seen this happen with Chochan vs. Filler.
My take, Frost should of won that challenge match hands down for he could at that time out maneuver Orcollo no doubt, but it took Frost to long to realize he had to play in the trenches stack play and not allow the up table game. Frost just beat Filler in their DCC match. Frost was down but then he bared down and got back even, he put Filler froze to foot rail and Filler sold out and Frost won. It was a great 3 out of 5 and Filler went toe to toe, not an easy task when Frost is on. Whitey