Great Interview With Ronnie

[jungledude]

I really enjoyed the interview with Ronnie Allen, his view of going to war on the pool table is very similar to mine, which is either bust the guy or go busted regardless how long it takes. Too many young players want to put time limits on matched up games because they obviously lack the heart to take off the score. Ronnie, Flyboy, Grady, - all warriors for over 45 years.

 

[Smorgass Bored]

Hey Hump, how about a report on what Flyboy (Jimmy Spears) has been up to during the last 48 hours.. OK ? (I always like a good jellybean story).. Doug

 

[jungledude]

The Fly

The Fly

Doug, Flyboy showed up after the tourney started, let everyone know he come to gamble and tried giving Craig Bourgeois the 7 and blew $6800. Some people think Fly is laying down a lemon on Craig, What you think ?

 

[Smorgass Bored]

Doug, Flyboy showed up after the tourney started, let everyone know he come to gamble and tried giving Craig Bourgeois the 7 and blew 6800 jellybeans. Some people think Fly is laying down a lemon on Craig, What you think ?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he were making LEMONADE.. I heard that he also won 6,200 jellybeans playing some even one-pocket with a very good pal of ours. Flyboy loves the action and still gets the grits a lot of the time... What about ring games ? Were there any RING GAMES? Man, getting an action report from you is like pulling teeth.. (you savin it for a BOOK?) C'mon Hump, spill the beans, jellybeans that is..

 

[titanic jerry]

stamina versus skill

stamina versus skill

The one thing I have never understood was that mind-set of a victory built on stamina. Two guys start to play a session of one pocket at 7:00 p.m.. They see-saw back and forth till 11:00 and one player has a two game edge or in another scenario one of the players has the best of it and is 8 games up.
The guy ahead is dog tired and wants to go home and sleep. He is more than willing to meet his opponent the next evening and continue the game.

Most guys would find him at fault calling him a quitter. They would only be happy if he continued to play until the guy behind got even and happier yet if he busted the guy.

He did not win on his ability to play the game he won on stamina. Horse races have a distance set beforehand the horses don't run full out till the other one drops from exhaustion. Boxers don't fight till their opponent can no longer defend himself. Race car drivers don't race until their opponent falls asleep at the wheel.

So my question is........where do you guys get off insisting that pool should be played until the opponent can no longer get to the table?

Also.........probably missed by most readers of Ronnies interview skimmed over and did not get the drift that most of those matches in the past was....pay after each game.......not races to some number. Guys would play for hours and end up one or two game winners. Those were classic matchups.
Later on they played one pocket propositions. Two or more players would post a certain amount of cash and you would get an open break behind the line. Then cue ball in hand behind the line and make as many balls into one pocket till you missed. Then the next or other player would do likewise. The scores were kept on the wires and the winner took down the cash.

I saw Mexican Phil at Cochrans make 14 out of one rack. It was a sight to see.

Used to watch Ronnie Allen and Bucktooth play one handed one pocket.Eight and out was pretty common.

Just an old one pocket lover venting. Those guys used to dress like golfers, alligator shoes, maybe no tie but at least a sport coat. They were a class act.I wish I could say the same about todays players....

 

[yobagua]

Great Interview. It probably could go on for hours, no, days. How about that. An extensive oral project with all the top one pocket players. Particular the ones from the previous generation. Squirrel, Bugs, Eddie Taylor, Weenie Beenie, Diliberto, etc. Its too bad no one interviewed Steve Cook, Cornbread, Daddy Warbucks, Marvin Henderson, Boston Shorty on the particulars of one pocket before they passed.

 

[hemicudas]

Quitting Winner???

Quitting Winner???

The one thing I have never understood was that mind-set of a victory built on stamina. Two guys start to play a session of one pocket at 7:00 p.m.. They see-saw back and forth till 11:00 and one player has a two game edge or in another scenario one of the players has the best of it and is 8 games up.
The guy ahead is dog tired and wants to go home and sleep. He is more than willing to meet his opponent the next evening and continue the game.

Most guys would find him at fault calling him a quitter. They would only be happy if he continued to play until the guy behind got even and happier yet if he busted the guy.

He did not win on his ability to play the game he won on stamina. Horse races have a distance set beforehand the horses don't run full out till the other one drops from exhaustion. Boxers don't fight till their opponent can no longer defend himself. Race car drivers don't race until their opponent falls asleep at the wheel.

So my question is........where do you guys get off insisting that pool should be played until the opponent can no longer get to the table?

Also.........probably missed by most readers of Ronnies interview skimmed over and did not get the drift that most of those matches in the past was....pay after each game.......not races to some number. Guys would play for hours and end up one or two game winners. Those were classic matchups.
Later on they played one pocket propositions. Two or more players would post a certain amount of cash and you would get an open break behind the line. Then cue ball in hand behind the line and make as many balls into one pocket till you missed. Then the next or other player would do likewise. The scores were kept on the wires and the winner took down the cash.

I saw Mexican Phil at Cochrans make 14 out of one rack. It was a sight to see.

Used to watch Ronnie Allen and Bucktooth play one handed one pocket.Eight and out was pretty common.

Just an old one pocket lover venting. Those guys used to dress like golfers, alligator shoes, maybe no tie but at least a sport coat. They were a class act.I wish I could say the same about todays players....

The gist of your point is that it is OK to quit someone winner. I agree, it is OK,,,,,IF. IF, you have enough class to tell your opponent you are going to quit when ever you get tired, BEFORE, you flip the coin.

This way, you have said, "Buyer Beware".

 

[crawdaddio]

The guy ahead is dog tired and wants to go home and sleep. He is more than willing to meet his opponent the next evening and continue the game.

I see nothing wrong with wanting to quit ahead, IF.......both players can agree to continue at a later time\day. I have no problem telling someone that I can only play for 2 hours or 6 hours, or whatever length of time I feel comfortable with. I WILL, however, mention this BEFORE we begin, if they still want to play, then play.....

A friend(A) of mine recently matched up with another friend(B) and after a couple of hours player B quits ahead and says he's tired, he's got to work in the morning. Player A is PISSED, and rightly so. Player B knew when he needed to get home, and should've said so before they began.
Player A is still pissed.......

 

[SactownTom]

Player B knew when he needed to get home, and should've said so before they began.
Player A is still pissed.......

And will stay pissed until they match up again and the loser gets his money back or ends up ahead. And if he ends up ahead, would you think that he will play as long as player A wants to, or quit him?

Vicious little circle between two gamblers.

 

[Pelican]

I kinda got to go with jerry on this. If I go to the casino and hit a jackpot I feel no obligation to continue to play to give them a chance to win their money back. I have gambled a ton in my life in various forms and always figured the purpose behind gambling was to win. I was invited to play in a fairly large money card game in Fairhope once. I had to open the store the next day so about 1 in the morning I stood up and announced I had to go. One fellow, not the one that invited me, got indignent and said I should say since I was a big winner and that about 2K of that money was his. I smiled and said the reason I came to play was to win their money. I was never invited back but to this day do not feel I did anything wrong. Nobody said when we started that everyone had to stay a certain amount of time.

Are we saying that if I am ahead I should have to continue to play as long as my opponent wants me too?

 

[Chris Cass]

Man Pelican,

I'm right there with you buddy. What, I can't quit a winner? The old way was you play till the other says Uncle. Not anymore. Why would you? If your playing races then, your entittled to one race. If the guy wants to be nice about it. Play another. Get even or lose.

If it's some one pocket by the game and it's running late. Hey, tell the guy you'll play tomorrow or jack the bet. I see nothing wrong with letting a guy get a chance to break even but these guys want to get even and get into your pocket. That's BS. That's why I don't play with anyone who can't afford to lose a dime.

Regards,

C.C.

 

[yobagua]

A friend of mine who is a doctor had lost thousands of dollars over the years to this guy. They were playing race to 3 for $300. The doc was up 2 sets this time and in the middle of set 3 he uncorks his cue and says I gotta go home. We can finish this later. His opponent went beserk. The doc feeling that he was in a hole many thousands of dollars and had always been a good customer felt he could do this as he was due in the office in the morning. That was the last time they played. Wrong or right the opponent lost a good customer for life.

 

[SactownTom]

>>SNIPPED<<

What, I can't quit a winner? .

And how many times have you seen a winner pull this to piss his opponent off, just to get the bet 'jacked' or the 'spot changed'?

If it doesn't work, he's outta there.

 

[Chris Cass]

And how many times have you seen a winner pull this to piss his opponent off, just to get the bet 'jacked' or the 'spot changed'?

If it doesn't work, he's outta there.

Ahhh, the move. LOL

Regards,

C.C.

 

[titanic jerry]

a forum like no other

a forum like no other

How refreshing to read your comments about quitting winners!!!!!!Sorry that I neglected to mention that a person should tell their opponent prior to playing that they only want to or only can play a certain amount of time. I can even understand how the fellow you mentioned is still pissed off.

I would enjoy playing some one hole with any of you guys that have responded in such a gentlemanly manner. Shows a lot of class. Something we need more of.

Have you guys heard of a game of one pocket called " Back to the Front" ?
It works like this : If you break the balls from the right side of the table the top left pocket is yours. This makes the bottom right pocket your opponents.
When it was shown to me I was given the option of breaking and I had to make 8 before he made 4 or the reverse. I have no reason to lie to you...I tried it both ways and got beat both ways. But.......it teaches you a whole new set of safeties. Please give it a try and let me know how you did.

An old one pocket hustle :Rack all fifteen balls and push the rack as close to a corner pocket as possible pushing one of the corners of the rack into the pocket itself. Remove the rack.Give the guy ball in hand and tell him you bet he cannot make 8 balls in a row in that pocket.The catch is every time you shoot you must make at least one ball. if two or three fall in on one shot on your next shot you must make at least one ball. If not you lose!!!!!
It can be done but you have to know how to go from side to side and when to kick into the stack.If you scratch you also lose because you did not make a legal score each turn.

Thanks again for your input and tell me somethingon't ya just luv one hole"?

 

[Pelican]

Don't ya just luv one hole"?

YAS SUH!