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Art, several times you have written about horses being the downfall of great pool hustlers. My question is this: is it possible to get an edge at betting the horses or is it always a sucker's bet? I'm not a compulsive gambler (not yet anyway). I'm too interested in making money. So I need to learn this lesson early on.

Thanks in advance. I'll gladly take advice from others here, too.
 

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junior said:
Art, several times you have written about horses being the downfall of great pool hustlers. My question is this: is it possible to get an edge at betting the horses or is it always a sucker's bet? I'm not a compulsive gambler (not yet anyway). I'm too interested in making money. So I need to learn this lesson early on.

Thanks in advance. I'll gladly take advice from others here, too.
I am not no horse expert but I dont no of one person that has a bank role from playing horses and my advice to to would be find some horse players and book their action and you will have a bank role. Their are many horse players and i have never seen a cosistant winner. To beat the horses you have to make big scores if you dont make big scores the will grind you out. Playing horses is a adiction and it gets in your blood and you cant waite tell the next day to play. People have made it their life and once you become a loyale horse player you will not quite it becomes youre life. If their is a horse winner in life I would say it is race track Phil And He has made some great scores if he would have taken the big score money and just put it in a money interest account he would be a millionare. And once you make a big score you have to lock it up and that is what people dont do the lose it back. I new people like chewing gum red and frank lee an tall Al the were great at toughting but the all lost their money back playing on the square. Like that old saying you can beat a RACE but you cant beat the races. If Mexican Johnny would have bought apartment buildings and but his money in money making interest he would have been a millioare. But his pleasure was watching horses run. And that was his jones. I dont no if its better for them to invest their money and become a millionare or continue having fun playing the horses.THat was his fun and pleasure. But you canot win playing any game that you have the worst ot the percentages. And their are people who will disagree with me 100% BUT AND THE ARE MY FRIENDS SO i WOULD NEVER GET INTO A CONVESATION WITH THEM ABOUT IF YOU CAN WIN OR CANT WIN. I no the race track isnt giving back 16 % to the casinos because you can win. And if the Casinos had more balls the could win way more money. But the Casinos are stealling the money and have a liscense for a sure thing. The only way the Casinos lose if people dont come and play. I would highly recomend dont gamble in the casinos unless you have a losers wish. And If you book all these games weater its sports or horses or casino games you will get the money. I dont see to many brock book makers. And the goverment should give out Liscenses to whoever wants to be a book maker. Because thats what its all about a peace of paper that says you can book. And if you dont have the paper the take your money and put you in jail. Theeven put you in jail if you are lagit and dont book. THis is a cut through system. And the will do whatever the can to protect their wonderfull casinos. The laws are made for the casinos not the people and the people have no wrights.And the goverment can go after you with a 100 counts and if you are guilty in one you are guilty in all of them. THe have their bullshit investgations witch is worse then comunisum. And the can do it to anyone. the people need to have the power not the goverment . Let the people make the decision like on a jury tryle. The goverment is corrupe and if the goverment is courupte their is no justice. THe have the power and can do what the want. And then the come up with their bull shit we put them in office by voting. ITs a dogie dog world and all we can do is figure out the best way to survive. The justice system as become lets make a deal and the fist rat gets no time and the second rat gets 2 years andb the person that isnt a rat gets live. THats the real picture of the justice system. THats enuogh about that because nodody is big enough or powerfull enough to change it. Unlees the people all get together and do it. IF you want to win the money book the action and you will become a millionare. It does not mater what game or sport. All you have to do is figure out how to get a legit licsense. Trying to win the money by picking winners is a losing game and you no what the result will be. I hope I helped you with your quistion even though I went into oter catagories. If you learn from what I wrote you will have lots of money. And everytime you want to gamble on something take that money and put it away in a money making interest account. And dont put all tour money in one account spread it out. Even in different countries. I hope I have helped you to see the picture.
 

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Pssssst, Can You Keep A Secret ? Have I Got A Horse For YOU !!!!

Pssssst, Can You Keep A Secret ? Have I Got A Horse For YOU !!!!

Here's my opinion:
It's hard to get an edge in horse racing as there are too many variables, including (but not limited to) the weather, track conditions, the jockey, the weight carried, post position, the start out of the gate and how the horse feels that day.

You can study the Form until your eyes hurt and pick the 'best' horse based on PAST performance, only to have the unexpected change the outcome.

If the horse runs true to form and wins, it is most often the favorite and you have to bet alot to win a little. My father worked at the track(s) for 36 years and said that there are 50 ways a horse can lose a race and only one way to Win.

It's nice to pick a longshot and make a score, but that doesn't happen often and most bettors rejoice while forgetting the 100s of losers they bet along the way. It's nice to hit a big payoff on the exotic wagers,but there's no edge in that either.

I bet for many years at the Fairgrounds in New Orleans and did OK, because it was the most crooked track in the country and if you were friends with an owner, trainer or jockey, you could often times get some inside info on when a horse was 'ready'.

Where big money is concerned, there will always be someone trying to rig the outcome and sometimes they're successful, but often they fail also.

Youse bets your money and youse takes your chances. :)

Look at Big Brown for example, you had to bet a ton to win a little and when he lost the third leg of the triple crown...... MILLIONS were lost. He was the 'best' horse, but the unexpected happened and he was pulled up by the jockey. There went the edge.

You may get an entirely different opinion if you had gotten answered by Ronnie Allen or New York Blackie or any one of a thousand other poolplayers.... imo

Doug
(btw, I play poker regularly at the horse track here in town and had $20 across the board on a 37-1 shot that won the race like Secretariat. I'd gotten the tip from the owner and bet on him 3 races in a row where he'd come in dead last before going wire to wire. Ain't life grand ?) :)
 
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Smorgass Bored said:
Here's my opinion:
It's hard to get an edge in horse racing as there are too many variables, including (but not limited to) the weather, track conditions, the jockey, the weight carried, post position, the start out of the gate and how the horse feels that day.

You can study the Form until your eyes hurt and pick the 'best' horse based on PAST performance, only to have the unexpected change the outcome.

If the horse runs true to form and wins, it is most often the favorite and you have to bet alot to win a little. My father worked at the track(s) for 36 years and said that there are 50 ways a horse can lose a race and only one way to Win.

It's nice to pick a longshot and make a score, but that doesn't happen often and most bettors rejoice while forgetting the 100s of losers they bet along the way. It's nice to hit a big payoff on the exotic wagers,but there's no edge in that either.

I bet for many years at the Fairgrounds in New Orleans and did OK, because it was the most crooked track in the country and if you were friends with an owner, trainer or jockey, you could often times get some inside info on when a horse was 'ready'.

Where big money is concerned, there will always be someone trying to rig the outcome and sometimes they're successful, but often they fail also.

Youse bets your money and youse takes your chances. :)

Look at Big Brown for example, you had to bet a ton to win a little and when he lost the third leg of the triple crown...... MILLIONS were lost. He was the 'best' horse, but the unexpected happened and he was pulled up by the jockey. There went the edge.

You may get an entirely different opinion if you had gotten answered by Ronnie Allen or New York Blackie or any one of a thousand other poolplayers.... imo

Doug
(btw, I play poker regularly at the horse track here in town and had $20 across the board on a 37-1 shot that won the race like Secretariat. I'd gotten the tip from the owner and bet on him 3 races in a row where he'd come in dead last before going wire to wire. Ain't life grand ?) :)

Smorg,

Are you trying to tell us Ronnie is NOT the greatest handicapper in the world ?
Say it ain't so ! I have never seen him book a loser at the track. (probably because I refuse to go with him.) I have however seen him win "ten's of dollars" at OTB. ;)

Dick

PS. Hendy may have some valuable input on this subject. IMO
 
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Smorgass Bored said:
Here's my opinion:
It's hard to get an edge in horse racing as there are too many variables, including (but not limited to) the weather, track conditions, the jockey, the weight carried, post position, the start out of the gate and how the horse feels that day.

You can study the Form until your eyes hurt and pick the 'best' horse based on PAST performance, only to have the unexpected change the outcome.

If the horse runs true to form and wins, it is most often the favorite and you have to bet alot to win a little. My father worked at the track(s) for 36 years and said that there are 50 ways a horse can lose a race and only one way to Win.

It's nice to pick a longshot and make a score, but that doesn't happen often and most bettors rejoice while forgetting the 100s of losers they bet along the way. It's nice to hit a big payoff on the exotic wagers,but there's no edge in that either.

I bet for many years at the Fairgrounds in New Orleans and did OK, because it was the most crooked track in the country and if you were friends with an owner, trainer or jockey, you could often times get some inside info on when a horse was 'ready'.

Where big money is concerned, there will always be someone trying to rig the outcome and sometimes they're successful, but often they fail also.

Youse bets your money and youse takes your chances. :)

Look at Big Brown for example, you had to bet a ton to win a little and when he lost the third leg of the triple crown...... MILLIONS were lost. He was the 'best' horse, but the unexpected happened and he was pulled up by the jockey. There went the edge.

You may get an entirely different opinion if you had gotten answered by Ronnie Allen or New York Blackie or any one of a thousand other poolplayers.... imo

Doug
(btw, I play poker regularly at the horse track here in town and had $20 across the board on a 37-1 shot that won the race like Secretariat. I'd gotten the tip from the owner and bet on him 3 races in a row where he'd come in dead last before going wire to wire. Ain't life grand ?) :)
One of the main reasons people play horses is because the can win millions for small mony and the casinos is about the jack pot.And the dont turn any bets down at the track. Bet all you want. And the get their adrenalem to roll when the get a chance at a very big score. And if the hit it the feel like the own the world. And their is no better feeling for them then that. And tommarow the will get to shoot at the moon. Because I dont no off anyone puling up after the made a big scoe. And what you can win is unlimited. And if you hit the big score lock it up.
 

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I have played the horses for 30+ years and the most successful players I know of are a pair of twins in Louisiana. They bet only the QUARTER HORSES, as they say they run truer to form. The track where these guys play have special accomodations for them(private room and meals comped). I've heard they said they make about 7% of their handle(their handle is $1 million+/year). These guys access tapes of all prior races. I'm not familiar with all the analysis they do, but I know they retime every race because sometimes the reported times are wrong. These guys are all business and well versed in all aspects. These guys are long term winners betting the horses, and the only ones I know of.
 

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I have played the horses for 30+ years and the most successful players I know of are a pair of twins in Louisiana. They bet only the QUARTER HORSES, as they say they run truer to form. The track where these guys play have special accomodations for them(private room and meals comped). I've heard they said they make about 7% of their handle(their handle is $1 million+/year). These guys access tapes of all prior races. I'm not familiar with all the analysis they do, but I know they retime every race because sometimes the reported times are wrong. These guys are all business and well versed in all aspects. These guys are long term winners betting the horses, and the only ones I know of.
My advice would be if the are winners then go ahead and bet on them. That is a must in life if you gamble only follow winners. And check it out before you start betting your money. And bet with them and if doesnt work see you latter. If you win I recomed you press your bets abnd if you lose quite. And take it as a learning experience. BUt if the win and you like gambling give it a shot. You might hit the gold row bonnamnza.
 

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junior said:
Art, several times you have written about horses being the downfall of great pool hustlers. My question is this: is it possible to get an edge at betting the horses or is it always a sucker's bet? I'm not a compulsive gambler (not yet anyway). I'm too interested in making money. So I need to learn this lesson early on.

Thanks in advance. I'll gladly take advice from others here, too.
If you realy want to win money and when you win lock it up. Only play games you can win at do not play games you lose at. And follow winners only. IT is hard to win playing guessing games. YOU have to no what you are doing and not just guessing and picking. Their are a lot of people who think the can pick the winners. But you have to no for sure and not just guess. And tell you get a bank role I would recomened you on;y bet your money on sure things. I hope you take my advice. Its up to you . I am giving you my experence and what I learned. And I was a winner at what I bet my money at.Weather it was pool cards sports or gimmicks.Always bet on a winner. And you will get rich. And their are winners in almost every field and thats who yopu have to bet on. Eliminate the guessing out of your gambling. If you have the best of the bet you can manouver and lock it up. And always but away some of the winnings and let it earn for you and dont touch it. It will Time will make you rich. And it will only grow for you and your children and grad children. It is a fuctional way to go. Its your choice what you do.
 

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Chicago's Race Track Rick, used to book a lot of winners at the harness races back in the 80s. Wondered if you remembered him Art? In fact, I heard he used to work with you in Vegas at one time. Rick was a bad pool player but loved the game. Used to wear glasses. Don't remember his last name. Sound familiar, Artie?
 
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Smorg,

Are you trying to tell us Ronnie is NOT the greatest handicapper in the world ?
Say it ain't so ! I have never seen him book a loser at the track. (probably because I refuse to go with him.) I have however seen him win "ten's of dollars" at OTB. ;)

Dick

PS. Hendy may have some valuable input on this subject. IMO

Here is a pic from a day at the races during Breeders Cup a couple years ago. I talked to RA this morning and he assured me his handicapping skills were still as good as they ever were.
 
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Pick A Bookie That You Can Intimidate With A GUN

Something that hasn't been mentioned:
It's been my experience that bookies set a limit on how much they will payoff. Most bookies will only payoff up to 20-1 on winners and less on Place & Show.

They protect themselves with limits on D.D.s, Exactas, Quinellas, Tri-fectas, Super-fectas, etc.

I have seen players make a big score after years of losing and get stiffed by the bookies too. One of their favorite ploys is to tell a winning player that they got busted and had all their money and betting slips confiscated and with no proof of who the bettor bet on (or how much), they are unable to settle up.

Doug :eek:
 

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Chicago's Race Track Rick, used to book a lot of winners at the harness races back in the 80s. Wondered if you remembered him Art? In fact, I heard he used to work with you in Vegas at one time. Rick was a bad pool player but loved the game. Used to wea glasses. Don't remember his last name. Sound familiar, Artie?
He worked for me for many years and his nick name was Quick Rick He was the greatest runner I had and he was 150% honest. And at the end I had him working with me in my office. Everyone liked him he didnt have a bad bone in his body. He loved to bet horses and he loved betting sports and that was his whole lfe. He was the best runner out of all the runners in Las Vegas. And he loved pool and the rocket man was his player. Quick rick gor robed and beat up twice. But he always showed heart. And nobody that ever worked for me was more loyale and honest. And he would have two and thre hundred dollares on him to bet. Everyone In Las Vegas new him and if the didnt no him the were full of it. Rick was the best and he never missed a days work wethrir he aws sick or not.When he was a runner for me for years. He use to tell me about chicago and his gambling in the bowling allies. And I told him that I needed some one to help me in the office. And he said ok I told him the first day he worked for me that I will pay him 25 hundred dollares a week. And he said no thts to much I only want 15 hundred dollares a week. And I said ok he was worth way more then he wanted and he said no body would belive what I did And he said nobody in the world could come close to me what I did. And he leared a lot. I was middling the run lines with the money lines. and everyone in the office said I cant win doing that. And when it was all over I won the money. And rick said I new all the time you new what you were doing. And I have a million true stories that I could tell you that people wouldnt belive Excepte the people who were in the office and seen it. I was number one in a leage by my self. And at the end of Ricks journy I vieted him almost every day. His heart was onl;y woking 40% and he needed a kidney transplant and a heart trans plante. And he was waiting for a heart transplant for about 3 years. And the had him in the hospital waiting to fly him to UCLA and give him a heart and kiddney transplant. And every time I went their Ricks condition got worse. And he could barly talk. And I keep yealing ay the doctor and nurse when are you going to fly him out. And the gave me the same bull shit every time I asked. The said we dont have a bed open at UCLA> Ans the didnt do anything the werent looking to fly him any were. The were just waiting for him to die. And thats what happened. And Rick was waithing for them to fly him to UCL. And that is our wonderfull health program. And the doctores dont care all the say is whos next. Rick showed a lot of heart and he loved life and he loved his horses to the end. And Phil new him way before me and the would be at the race track together. And the got along great. I didnt no rick tell he came to LAS VEgas. And he said phil protected him and told him not to come to bensingers because Artie will beat you out of your money. And phil was wright. And Rick would back pool players and bowlers and he mite of backed horse players. That I dont no. BUt their was never a finer person in my whole life. And he would have given me his last dollarer if I needed it. And he walways looked up to phil as a hose player. I am glad you asked me about quick Rick and I hope I didnt bore anyone. Because Quick Rick was a classick and nobody was as quick and as fast as quick Rick. I will always remember how loyale and honest he was. And Rick was the best at what he did nobody was as good as he was. And its amazing that someone would ask about some one I new that well. And God bless Quick Rick.
 

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Smorgass Bored said:
Something that hasn't been mentioned:
It's been my experience that bookies set a limit on how much they will payoff. Most bookies will only payoff up to 20-1 on winners and less on Place & Show.

They protect themselves with limits on D.D.s, Exactas, Quinellas, Tri-fectas, Super-fectas, etc.

I have seen players make a big score after years of losing and get stiffed by the bookies too. One of their favorite ploys is to tell a winning player that they got busted and had all their money and betting slips confiscated and with no proof of who the bettor bet on (or how much), they are unable to settle up.

Doug :eek:
The first lesson is play were you will get payed if you have any dought dont play.
 

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jrhendy said:
Here is a pic from a day at the races during Breeders Cup a couple years ago. I talked to RA this morning and he assured me his handicapping skills were still as good as they ever were.
Thats a great picture but ronnie needs action like we need the air that we bread. And if ronnie isnt gambling and drinking he is not living. THat is Ronnies whole life and that is what he loves doing. And belive me nobody is going to change Ronnie. He has been his own boss his whole life. He doesnt need a couch and I am sure he doesnt want one either. He is one of a kind. And if Ronnie couldnt gamble he would feel like he doesnt exsist. He is on the top of the list with the caracters.
 

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If you realy want to win money and when you win lock it up. Only play games you can win at do not play games you lose at. And follow winners only. IT is hard to win playing guessing games. YOU have to no what you are doing and not just guessing and picking. Their are a lot of people who think the can pick the winners. But you have to no for sure and not just guess. And tell you get a bank role I would recomened you on;y bet your money on sure things. I hope you take my advice. Its up to you . I am giving you my experence and what I learned. And I was a winner at what I bet my money at.Weather it was pool cards sports or gimmicks.Always bet on a winner. And you will get rich...

Thanks, Art. That sounds like good advice. I will take it. I haven't come across too many sure things yet, but maybe I just don't know where to look. I'm happy if I can figure out a way to get an edge. Sometimes the edge is big enough that it seems like a sure thing (like when you're hustling in a bar or something), but even then something weird can happen. For example, you may not know until the game is over that you had been laying infinite odds the whole time (they refuse to pay up):D .

One idea I heard about betting horses caught my attention. The idea is that favorites are often overpriced, which means that some of the other horses must be a bargain. This must be, because otherwise the odds would not tally correctly and therefore the probabilities wouldn't add up to 100%. And then some combination of bets really would be a "sure thing". Of course, I don't know exactly what is meant by 'often overpriced'. Is it enough to squeeze an edge out of? Has anyone else heard of a strategy like this?
 
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He worked for me for many years and his nick name was Quick Rick He was the greatest runner I had and he was 150% honest. And at the end I had him working with me in my office. Everyone liked him he didnt have a bad bone in his body. He loved to bet horses and he loved betting sports and that was his whole lfe. He was the best runner out of all the runners in Las Vegas. And he loved pool and the rocket man was his player. Quick rick gor robed and beat up twice. But he always showed heart. And nobody that ever worked for me was more loyale and honest. And he would have two and thre hundred dollares on him to bet. Everyone In Las Vegas new him and if the didnt no him the were full of it. Rick was the best and he never missed a days work wethrir he aws sick or not.When he was a runner for me for years. He use to tell me about chicago and his gambling in the bowling allies. And I told him that I needed some one to help me in the office. And he said ok I told him the first day he worked for me that I will pay him 25 hundred dollares a week. And he said no thts to much I only want 15 hundred dollares a week. And I said ok he was worth way more then he wanted and he said no body would belive what I did And he said nobody in the world could come close to me what I did. And he leared a lot. I was middling the run lines with the money lines. and everyone in the office said I cant win doing that. And when it was all over I won the money. And rick said I new all the time you new what you were doing. And I have a million true stories that I could tell you that people wouldnt belive Excepte the people who were in the office and seen it. I was number one in a leage by my self. And at the end of Ricks journy I vieted him almost every day. His heart was onl;y woking 40% and he needed a kidney transplant and a heart trans plante. And he was waiting for a heart transplant for about 3 years. And the had him in the hospital waiting to fly him to UCLA and give him a heart and kiddney transplant. And every time I went their Ricks condition got worse. And he could barly talk. And I keep yealing ay the doctor and nurse when are you going to fly him out. And the gave me the same bull shit every time I asked. The said we dont have a bed open at UCLA> Ans the didnt do anything the werent looking to fly him any were. The were just waiting for him to die. And thats what happened. And Rick was waithing for them to fly him to UCL. And that is our wonderfull health program. And the doctores dont care all the say is whos next. Rick showed a lot of heart and he loved life and he loved his horses to the end. And Phil new him way before me and the would be at the race track together. And the got along great. I didnt no rick tell he came to LAS VEgas. And he said phil protected him and told him not to come to bensingers because Artie will beat you out of your money. And phil was wright. And Rick would back pool players and bowlers and he mite of backed horse players. That I dont no. BUt their was never a finer person in my whole life. And he would have given me his last dollarer if I needed it. And he walways looked up to phil as a hose player. I am glad you asked me about quick Rick and I hope I didnt bore anyone. Because Quick Rick was a classick and nobody was as quick and as fast as quick Rick. I will always remember how loyale and honest he was. And Rick was the best at what he did nobody was as good as he was. And its amazing that someone would ask about some one I new that well. And God bless Quick Rick.

Thanks for the story on Rick, Art. You are right. Rick was a world class guy. We all used to meet at, The King And I, in Cicero after everything else closed in the city. Rick did like the Rocket for sure. He also staked me and my partner, Bill Stack, on many occasions. In fact, he staked me to play Bobby Haddad the first time I played him. We only beat Bobby for $300 that night. I found out it got knocked and he pulled up. Then Haddad wanted to stake me to play Johnny Monet but I passed. I wanted all the action on that deal.

Rick gave me 12 straight winners at Maywood Park when I first met him. So sad to hear he has passed.............
 

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Thanks for the story on Rick, Art. You are right. Rick was a world class guy. We all used to meet at, The King And I, in Cicero after everything else closed in the city. Rick did like the Rocket for sure. He also staked me and my partner, Bill Stack, on many occasions. In fact, he staked me to play Bobby Haddad the first time I played him. We only beat Bobby for $300 that night. I found out it got knocked and he pulled up. Then Haddad wanted to stake me to play Johnny Monet but I passed. I wanted all the action on that deal.

Rick gave me 12 straight winners at Maywood Park when I first met him. So sad to hear he has passed.............
It is always sad in or life when some one dies that we no because it is one great person that is out of our life and all thats left is a memory. I played Haddad he was a goog man and he use to hang out at town and country on north ave with Johnny Abruso. And he passed away to I think he owened a bar at the end of his journy. But he was a nice gut to. And I remember Monete real will he was good friends with Mexican ben and Frank Garcia and I remember I played some good 5 thousand dollaer frezz out in Monetes bar. And I liked playing their. the hung around a pretty tiogh crowed. But I never had no problems. One day all these people will be gone and all that will be left is a memory. You didnt need no backer to play Monet he was a good man to play. These were all great caracter and none of them can be replaced. By the way did you no Cicero bob he pased a way many years ago. But he was a great horse player too.
 

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junior said:
:D

Thanks, Art. That sounds like good advice. I will take it. I haven't come across too many sure things yet, but maybe I just don't know where to look. I'm happy if I can figure out a way to get an edge. Sometimes the edge is big enough that it seems like a sure thing (like when you're hustling in a bar or something), but even then something weird can happen. For example, you may not know until the game is over that you had been laying infinite odds the whole time (they refuse to pay up):D .

One idea I heard about betting horses caught my attention. The idea is that favorites are often overpriced, which means that some of the other horses must be a bargain. This must be, because otherwise the odds would not tally correctly and therefore the probabilities wouldn't add up to 100%. And then some combination of bets really would be a "sure thing". Of course, I don't know exactly what is meant by 'often overpriced'. Is it enough to squeeze an edge out of? Has anyone else heard of a strategy like this?
If you want to win you have to no who and what you are playing. And If you dont no dont play. Their is no sure thing tell the game or the race is over. Dont guess let the other guy do all the work and guessing. And just book the bet especialy if he bets every day. And their are some smart horse players. But anyone that is just guessing will lose. And you dont have to book the big gimmick bets. THe best bets to book are the favorits. Yopu will win the money. Dont book little money bets to lose big money. Let the track have that. I would tell you never book a little bet to lose a fourtune let it go. You will win enough of the money without you resking your bank role to win crums. Becaue the truth is anything can happen. Just LIke Buster douglas when he knocked out Mike Tyson. The odds were 45 to one. Imagine what the odds were on Mike Tyson getting knocked out. Anything can happen . So yous your mind and be conservative tell you get a good bank role and then you can book begger action. And the first lesson is if you win get payed.
 

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It is always sad in or life when some one dies that we no because it is one great person that is out of our life and all thats left is a memory. I played Haddad he was a goog man and he use to hang out at town and country on north ave with Johnny Abruso. And he passed away to I think he owened a bar at the end of his journy. But he was a nice gut to. And I remember Monete real will he was good friends with Mexican ben and Frank Garcia and I remember I played some good 5 thousand dollaer frezz out in Monetes bar. And I liked playing their. the hung around a pretty tiogh crowed. But I never had no problems. One day all these people will be gone and all that will be left is a memory. You didnt need no backer to play Monet he was a good man to play. These were all great caracter and none of them can be replaced. By the way did you no Cicero bob he pased a way many years ago. But he was a great horse player too.

I knew Cicero Bob. He used to frequent, The King And I, too. Hey, most of Chicagoland did in the early 80s. Tommy Spencer even popped in a few times but never got any action while I was there.

Wonder if you remember a bar on Southport and School? In 1980 there was a nightly $40-$60 a man ring game with 5 or more players in it. 7' bar table with all shortstops or less in the game. Bill Stack and I were working the spot for good cash every night. Stack had been knocked but I was still working the place. One of the losers must have taken the heat and called N. Shore Billiards because late one night you, Spencer, Freddy and Charlie Jones walk in and tried to match up with Stack. He offered games to all of you but nothing happened. A few nights later Charlie came back by himself and made some money in the ring game. When he got burned out his son worked the spot.

I refused to play Monet at his place. I played him at Haddad's joint on Ogden. I won but found out Haddad had twice the bet I had on the rail. Really hate hearing Bobby has died too. Haddad had a son named Mark that played a little too. I was informed by a usually reliable source that the good player from the west coast, Mark Haddad, was the same guy but it wasn't. Should have known because Bobby's son would have had to picked up about 4 balls to play his speed.
 

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hemicudas said:
I knew Cicero Bob. He used to frequent, The King And I, too. Hey, most of Chicagoland did in the early 80s. Tommy Spencer even popped in a few times but never got any action while I was there.

Wonder if you remember a bar on Southport and School? In 1980 there was a nightly $40-$60 a man ring game with 5 or more players in it. 7' bar table with all shortstops or less in the game. Bill Stack and I were working the spot for good cash every night. Stack had been knocked but I was still working the place. One of the losers must have taken the heat and called N. Shore Billiards because late one night you, Spencer, Freddy and Charlie Jones walk in and tried to match up with Stack. He offered games to all of you but nothing happened. A few nights later Charlie came back by himself and made some money in the ring game. When he got burned out his son worked the spot.

I refused to play Monet at his place. I played him at Haddad's joint on Ogden. I won but found out Haddad had twice the bet I had on the rail. Really hate hearing Bobby has died too. Haddad had a son named Mark that played a little too. I was informed by a usually reliable source that the good player from the west coast, Mark Haddad, was the same guy but it wasn't. Should have known because Bobby's son would have had to picked up about 4 balls to play his speed.
I am trying to place Bill Stack but it does not ring a bell . What games did he play on the bar table. And were was he from. I new some of the good bar players like Allieup JR Henzien JR SWeetman he went to mobel Alabama. And I ran into him with Frostyin alabama. Mexican Ben their how abot the Bird And Ping Pong. And a lot of them use to go and play at George Walkers. At Fulerton and Western. I remember Billy SAmpales but I dont think their same person as Bill Stack. BUt their were lots of bar players. Even Crippled bob with his ta ta ta. He would run around with Mexican Johnny in the bares and race track. I remember when a toush hog told Gorge walker what are you going to do if I take your gun away from you. And George WAlker said I am going to pull out another one. And that was the end of that.
 
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