you both need one

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this is just for ideas
there is no shot to show what the player did
i have been playing trying to kick that ball at my hole but would never do that in a serious game as for me it sells out too often
what would you do here??
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I'd hit the r/s of the stripe with a 4 o'clock draw, banking it 4 rails landing on the head rail. The position of the balls as they lay, I'd try and duplicate the same layout as they are in now.
 

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I would also kick it but not to make it. I would shoot straight across with some lhe so that the cb hits the long rail then spins into the stripe full...banking it off the foot rail ending up in my quadrant between 1st and 2nd diamond..cb stays near foot rail.
 

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I'd two rail bank it off the point to my hole, using below center right sending the cb kitty corner to the head rail corner pocket. If you hit it thick then it is ok for the ob and cb both end up on your side on the long rails.
I'll put up a video of this shot if I can find it! Whitey
 

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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMQNpPPeg0OGslzrZHZRvF31hTFvfn7g8jTkvTRZSnBqNFDDTFYyq1uMk4GPdCL2w/photo/AF1QipOwz94F8Wh2agpaPON7rNCK3VCYN2D6_-Blxe9D?key=TGdKYWVma29faFItSnlFbUxVd19jcDZ1VHJ1OVVB

Larry, I found the video, and yes this is similar scenario. If you play the shot thicker into the ob then it assures that the ob does rattle in the opponent's pocket and still you can get the ob to your long rail around the 2nd diamond or so w/ cb going to upper kitty corner.
Most likely you will have to adjust what is put on the cb for the angle is different, probably slightly more high with quite a bit of right spin. Whitey
 

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I would also kick it but not to make it. I would shoot straight across with some lhe so that the cb hits the long rail then spins into the stripe full...banking it off the foot rail ending up in my quadrant between 1st and 2nd diamond..cb stays near foot rail.
Bingo!! Chris, that's the correct response to this type of a leave. I have shot this shot playing one pocket 100's of times with great results, a shot that must be incorporated into one's arsenal of shots.

Dr. Bill
 

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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMQNpPPeg0OGslzrZHZRvF31hTFvfn7g8jTkvTRZSnBqNFDDTFYyq1uMk4GPdCL2w/photo/AF1QipOwz94F8Wh2agpaPON7rNCK3VCYN2D6_-Blxe9D?key=TGdKYWVma29faFItSnlFbUxVd19jcDZ1VHJ1OVVB

Larry, I found the video, and yes this is similar scenario. If you play the shot thicker into the ob then it assures that the ob does rattle in the opponent's pocket and still you can get the ob to your long rail around the 2nd diamond or so w/ cb going to upper kitty corner.
Most likely you will have to adjust what is put on the cb for the angle is different, probably slightly more high with quite a bit of right spin. Whitey
That's an excellent shot Whitey, a little risky but in certain situations, it would be the best choice.

Dr. Bill
 

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I thought the standard reply is kick off short rail for a 1/2 ball hit with bottom right.
Cueball winds back around to center of foot rail.
Object ball goes to top corner on your side.
 

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Bingo!! Chris, that's the correct response to this type of a leave. I have shot this shot playing one pocket 100's of times with great results, a shot that must be incorporated into one's arsenal of shots.

Dr. Bill
Thanks good doctor! :)

Anytime my shot choice(s) end up in line with yours, I know I am on the right track to becoming a better one pocket player! I appreciate all the knowledge you and others share on this site, its invaluable!
 

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Bingo!! Chris, that's the correct response to this type of a leave. I have shot this shot playing one pocket 100's of times with great results, a shot that must be incorporated into one's arsenal of shots.
So something like this. There is the chance of a two-railer leave, but for this particular result the side pocket looms large.
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Nice pic bob
ideally You want to hit the object ball full so the cue ball stays there
 

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I thought the standard reply is kick off short rail for a 1/2 ball hit with bottom right.
Cueball winds back around to center of foot rail.
Object ball goes to top corner on your side.
Bob
can you diagram this
i am at work and cant
look forward to testing this at home later
 

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It is also barely possible for my interpretation of the position and the particular table/cloth I've chosen in Virtual Pool to kick the OB into my pocket. It takes max left with some draw and swerve and you have to pass within a fraction of the OB on the way to the side rail. A small error in judgement can be a disaster.

This pattern is also available but you will likely get a kiss if you hit the OB too thick which sends it directly into the return path of the CB.

CropperCapture[97].jpg
 

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Bob
can you diagram this
i am at work and cant
look forward to testing this at home later
The path with the kick is roughly the same as for the direct around the table I just posted but I would feel that I have little control of the kiss after the cue ball leaves the head cushion. .... well, that didn't take long to find. Lots of kisses available, including this one:

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If you know what you're doing, it can also go well, just like the direct hit:

CropperCapture[99].jpg

The idea in both cases is to hit the OB thin enough that it goes end-side-end and not end-side-side.
 
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/AD65Wu9TCCpEk2TK9 So what is the ideal reposition for the ob?
I suppose a guy could 1 rail bank or 3 rail bank off of what I left, but very difficult to pull off, and selling out is very possible.
So what is the best return shot reply off of what I left?

Oh thanks Dr. Bill for acknowledging my previous video! I have worked it in this layout and found out that the shot seems to be much harder to pull off. Whitey

PS. Larry, I worked this quite a bit, and every shot selection is quite demanding and can quite possibly leave a shot. So possibly the best shot is to gently spin off the long rail into your ob and just make contact. This will now put you in a more advantages position by being on the correct side of the ob. It is now his move.
Correct me guys if this strategy is a mistake!
 
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The path with the kick is roughly the same as for the direct around the table I just posted but I would feel that I have little control of the kiss after the cue ball leaves the head cushion. .... well, that didn't take long to find. Lots of kisses available, including this one:

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If you know what you're doing, it can also go well, just like the direct hit:

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The idea in both cases is to hit the OB thin enough that it goes end-side-end and not end-side-side.
Thanks bob for the diagrams and advice on how to hit it
 

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It is also barely possible for my interpretation of the position and the particular table/cloth I've chosen in Virtual Pool to kick the OB into my pocket. It takes max left with some draw and swerve and you have to pass within a fraction of the OB on the way to the side rail. A small error in judgement can be a disaster.

This pattern is also available but you will likely get a kiss if you hit the OB too thick which sends it directly into the return path of the CB.

View attachment 432504
The path with the kick is roughly the same as for the direct around the table I just posted but I would feel that I have little control of the kiss after the cue ball leaves the head cushion. .... well, that didn't take long to find. Lots of kisses available, including this one:

View attachment 432505

If you know what you're doing, it can also go well, just like the direct hit:

View attachment 432506

The idea in both cases is to hit the OB thin enough that it goes end-side-end and not end-side-side.
If the object ball is a half diamond or less from the pocket, I kick it out, if it is more I 2 rail it and 3 rail the cueball , I don't see a need to add an extra element by going to the bottom rail first. A less likelihood of a kiss , but it makes the shot too much more difficult, imo especially for weekenders
 

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bottom right, draw your cue to the second diamond and let it go three rails back to the bottom rail. The object ball chases the cue at much slower speed two rails to the top pocket and you are safe. It's the same shot you use when you are on the top rail and you are trying to two rail the ball to your pocket.
 

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bottom right, draw your cue to the second diamond and let it go three rails back to the bottom rail. The object ball chases the cue at much slower speed two rails to the top pocket and you are safe. It's the same shot you use when you are on the top rail and you are trying to two rail the ball to your pocket.
I think the benefit of kicking the ball is that sometimes when you 2 rail it , you can leave a return kick bank off your long rail, if you get the object ball close to the pocket, Cliff was a monster on those shots
 

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I believe I would two rail the stripe to my side and use inside english to let the cb travel 2 rails back to his long rail. If the pockets are tight or gaffed, you can cut the stripe to the outer part of the shim in his pocket and it should rattle out and go in your hole. Center english cb. Have fun with that one.
 
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