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sneakynito 03-22-2019 02:07 PM

alex and chip no 3 foul rule
 
Anyone catch this little episode with Chip and Alex in the Scotty Townsend?

I forgot to grab a screenshot but one of the guys stuck the cue ball right at the head of the rack, frozen to a pretty good cluster of balls. Balls were lying dangerously so they did the little barely touch take a foul. After 2 I believe Alex let Chip know he was on two and he was informed there was no 3 foul rule this tourney. Apparently they forgot to add it to the flyer and didn't want to change the rules after the fact.

Alex was pretty vocal about it and it had me laughing pretty good. "how is this ever going to end" "we need more coins. get me a roll of coins".
Was pretty funny watching them both stand over the cue ball and just tap it with their stick back and forth. Can you imagine watching it if you didn't know what one pocket was?

Chip finally shot away and played a pretty decent shot but it was after they were both at -5 or -6.

lll 03-22-2019 02:42 PM

i did see it and was wondering if darmoose was watching????:D

darmoose 03-22-2019 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lll (Post 254439)
i did see it and was wondering if darmoose was watching????:D

Ha ha Larry,:lol I wasn't watching, but if I had been I would'a been appalled that this ridiculousness is part of the beautiful game of OP. The two foul rule keeps it somewhat in check, and from getting out of hand for the most part, but still allows a player to change the game, which to me is just wrong and serves no other logical purpose, and should be removed from the game.

Why do we put up with something like this? It gives our game a bad name, and rightfully so.:frus

Imagine if these two guys were playing that after every foul (of any kind) the incoming player had the option to take the shot or give it back to the fouler. How much better would that be?


:)

lll 03-22-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by darmoose (Post 254456)
Ha ha Larry,:lol I wasn't watching, but if I had been I would'a been appalled that this ridiculousness is part of the beautiful game of OP. The two foul rule keeps it somewhat in check, and from getting out of hand for the most part, but still allows a player to change the game, which to me is just wrong and serves no other logical purpose, and should be removed from the game.

Why do we put up with something like this? It gives our game a bad name, and rightfully so.:frus

Imagine if these two guys were playing that after every foul (of any kind) the incoming player had the option to take the shot or give it back to the fouler. How much better would that be?


:)

darrell
we have been thru this before
we agree to disagree
i dont want to re hash an old discussion ( i was going to say argument but i wouldnt press send,,,:lol )

El Chapo 03-22-2019 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by darmoose (Post 254456)
Ha ha Larry,:lol I wasn't watching, but if I had been I would'a been appalled that this ridiculousness is part of the beautiful game of OP. The two foul rule keeps it somewhat in check, and from getting out of hand for the most part, but still allows a player to change the game, which to me is just wrong and serves no other logical purpose, and should be removed from the game.

Why do we put up with something like this? It gives our game a bad name, and rightfully so.:frus

Imagine if these two guys were playing that after every foul (of any kind) the incoming player had the option to take the shot or give it back to the fouler. How much better would that be?


:)

Totally agree. It is very much beneath such a beautiful game to have two world class players touching a cue ball time and time again.

blindlemon 03-23-2019 03:59 AM

I don't know I don't find it hard to watch. The three foul rule was put in place to speed up tournament play. Intentional scratches are used to see who will be the first to make a mistake. I think the people that want to change the game don't understand that part of the game or don't have enough patience for it. Game has been great 4 many years, I hope we leave the rules alone. Tournaments are different because of the time restraint but everything else should be left alone

lll 03-23-2019 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blindlemon (Post 254518)
I don't know I don't find it hard to watch. The three foul rule was put in place to speed up tournament play. Intentional scratches are used to see who will be the first to make a mistake. I think the people that want to change the game don't understand that part of the game or don't have enough patience for it. Game has been great 4 many years, I hope we leave the rules alone. Tournaments are different because of the time restraint but everything else should be left alone

you should post more often.......:)

darmoose 03-23-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blindlemon (Post 254518)
I don't know I don't find it hard to watch. The three foul rule was put in place to speed up tournament play.

There is watching , and there is playing. Watching involves no consequences, while playing with intentional fouls has significant consequences. If the three foul rule was created to speed up the game, it only follows that we could speed up the game today by going to a one foul rule, or disincentivizing intentionals through this rule change. In an environment where everybody feels free to criticize slow play and slow players, and there exists very little that can realistically be done about that, one would think that minimizing intentional fouls would be "low hanging fruit".

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Intentional scratches are used to see who will be the first to make a mistake. I think the people that want to change the game don't understand that part of the game or don't have enough patience for it.
Taking an intentional when you are trapped in no way allows you to avoid making a mistake because you opponent can force you to eventually "take the shot". There is no strategy involved, other than to change the game and score favoring the better player. The one pocket strategic shot that should be applauded is the initial shot that put you into the trap, and the mistake you refer to had already been made by you to allow that to happen. In deference to the respect for the nuances of this game, you should be mandated to play out of the trap without being able to "dilute" the consequences.


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Game has been great 4 many years, I hope we leave the rules alone. Tournaments are different because of the time restraint but everything else should be left alone
Yes, of course the game has been great for many years. That is no valid defense against making limited changes for good reason. You seem to be saying that for tournaments you would consider a change. I would agree, but add that rules about "playing the game" like this one tend to eventually apply to other venues, and they should, for consistency sake.

I understand that there are "insistent traditionalists" that can accept NO changes whatsoever, they react without consideration, while minimizing the problem being addressed hoping to simply just blow it away. Someone who wants to seriously defend intentional fouls please explain just what touching the CB four times in a row adds to the game.

While I would like to see this practice stopped, I wouldn't ban intentional fouls. You may shoot as you please, so long as you understand that your opponent can make you shoot again if you fouled. How simple is that?.

To evaluate the effect of this change look at the primary fouls that can occur. You scratch, opponent gets CBIH, you are not likely to get to shoot again. You fail to hit a rail or commit some other touch/shooting foul, you may or may not get to shoot again depending on whether your foul put your opponent in jeopardy, which ought to be your opponents prerogative. Lastly, you lag behind balls giving no shot to you opponent, you won't get to shoot again if there is a shot to your hole.

Ultimately, the effect on the game from this rule change is minimal, except to eliminate this "tapping the CB" silliness.

lll 03-23-2019 10:53 AM

See post # 4

Terry Hanna 03-23-2019 11:30 AM

Alex made a good shot and stuck the cue ball on the stack, Chip started the tapping stuff 1st lol

Alex was very adamant after he found out no 3 foul rule was in effect there was not going to be rerack.

I think chip realized the more balls needed had to favor Alex and finally shot away.

Not sure if you guys noticed but during the finals, Alex and Corey were playing with the 3 foul rule in effect for that match :confused:

They agreed to play finals match with different rules :)


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