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Cowboy Dennis 07-08-2012 04:38 PM

S. Daulton vs. R. Saez 2012 D.C.C.
 
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Saez is up 3-1 this game and it's his shot. What would you do?

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wincardona 07-08-2012 08:38 PM

:eek:His priority is controlling the cue ball in this position, he can't afford to leave the table where the cue ball will be left at the foot end of the table. There are two options that I see that are both viable, providing you can execute them.

#1. He can think aggressively and bank the 6 ball two cushions to the pocket to his right (top left corner) and draw the cue ball to the top rail. Emphasis should be directed to more cue ball than 6 ball, but still try to score the ball. This shot should be hit with the speed to control both balls. (cue ball and 6 ball)

Sorry got to go
I'm back to explain the other option.

#2. I like banking the 6 ball cross table between the 5 and 9 balls, using a center ball. Many players will use a tip of inside english shooting this shot imo it's not safe to shoot it in that fashion, too risky. You can either scratch one rail into the side or corner depending on either the hit or amount of english you use.

** Another option would be to bank the 6 ball one cushion to the top left pocket, this shot to me is very risky because of the return shots that you could leave shooting it. If this shot is hit reasonably well it could double the corner and sell out an easy cross corner bank with position potential.:eek: I've been burned too many times with this shot, to some they might like it but not my choice.:sorry

Dr. Bill

oldspurguy 07-09-2012 07:17 AM

I don't see the six going two rails in the corner, it could go two rails in the side.

I like banking the six softly towards the cluster of balls, concentrating on bringing the cueball ball back to the head rail, near the center diamond.

If I was a hall-of-famer like some of you guys, or Bugs Rucker, I would probably just bank the nine straight back, stop the cueball, and then bank the five cross corner for the win. :D

fred bentivegna 07-09-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wincardona (Post 96886)
:eek:His priority is controlling the cue ball in this position, he can't afford to leave the table where the cue ball will be left at the foot end of the table. There are two options that I see that are both viable, providing you can execute them.

#1. He can think aggressively and bank the 6 ball two cushions to the pocket to his right (top left corner) and draw the cue ball to the top rail. Emphasis should be directed to more cue ball than 6 ball, but still try to score the ball. This shot should be hit with the speed to control both balls. (cue ball and 6 ball)

Sorry got to go
I'm back to explain the other option.

#2. I like banking the 6 ball cross table between the 5 and 9 balls, using a center ball. Many players will use a tip of inside english shooting this shot imo it's not safe to shoot it in that fashion, too risky. You can either scratch one rail into the side or corner depending on either the hit or amount of english you use.

** Another option would be to bank the 6 ball one cushion to the top left pocket, this shot to me is very risky because of the return shots that you could leave shooting it. If this shot is hit reasonably well it could double the corner and sell out an easy cross corner bank with position potential.:eek: I've been burned too many times with this shot, to some they might like it but not my choice.:sorry

Dr. Bill


Both options are stiffs, especially the 2 in the side. If you can control the speed of both balls on this shot I will move next door to SczBill. (Draw the ball 4 diamonds and keep the object ball from going past the side pocket?)option #2
The way it lays on the 6 ball looks like you will have to pocket the 6 in the side in order to get back down table. Hitting it full enough to get to the good side of the side pocket will probably slow the cue ball down considerably. So much so that it probably wouldnt go past the side pocket on the return trip.

Beard

However, I agree completely on the 3rd option with you, that it is a stiff.
Your batting average is improving, you got 1 out of 3 right.:lol

gulfportdoc 07-09-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oldspurguy (Post 96904)
I don't see the six going two rails in the corner, it could go two rails in the side.

I like banking the six softly towards the cluster of balls, concentrating on bringing the cueball ball back to the head rail, near the center diamond.

If I was a hall-of-famer like some of you guys, or Bugs Rucker, I would probably just bank the nine straight back, stop the cueball, and then bank the five cross corner for the win. :D

That's the shot I'd look at. However the 6 is laying a little precariously. On the side view it looks like the shooter could cut it so as to bank it to the cluster and roll the CB uptable to the head rail. But from the aerial view, it looks like the 6 would have to be hit full enough that it would: 1. cause the 6 to possibly double bank, or 2. to not allow enough steam on the CB to get back uptable.

Beard may be right, that the 6 may have to be cut in the side, which brings a possible scratch into play. Also I wouldn't be wanting to leave the 6 on the spot, depending upon where whitey ends up.

The 9-ball might be able to be rolled in straight back, but it certainly doesn't look like it could go with any speed. That means that the CB would be left down in no-man's land for return banks by the opponent.

Doc

Cowboy Dennis 07-09-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wincardona (Post 96886)
:eek:His priority is controlling the cue ball in this position, he can't afford to leave the table where the cue ball will be left at the foot end of the table. There are two options that I see that are both viable, providing you can execute them.

#1. He can think aggressively and bank the 6 ball two cushions to the pocket to his right (top left corner) and draw the cue ball to the top rail. Emphasis should be directed to more cue ball than 6 ball, but still try to score the ball. This shot should be hit with the speed to control both balls. (cue ball and 6 ball)

Sorry got to go
I'm back to explain the other option.

#2. I like banking the 6 ball cross table between the 5 and 9 balls, using a center ball. Many players will use a tip of inside english shooting this shot imo it's not safe to shoot it in that fashion, too risky. You can either scratch one rail into the side or corner depending on either the hit or amount of english you use.

** Another option would be to bank the 6 ball one cushion to the top left pocket, this shot to me is very risky because of the return shots that you could leave shooting it. If this shot is hit reasonably well it could double the corner and sell out an easy cross corner bank with position potential.:eek: I've been burned too many times with this shot, to some they might like it but not my choice.:sorry

Dr. Bill

what would you do?

Banks 07-09-2012 01:47 PM

I wouldn't try messing with the 9 unless I'm spot on. I'd take the 6 back with a little draw to zig-zag the CB. You miss that 9 and you could be up a creek real quick. I would just hope that letting the CB somewhat loose wouldn't bite me in the ass when going for the 6.

wincardona 07-09-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fred bentivegna (Post 96919)
Both options are stiffs, especially the 2 in the side. (WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 2 IN THE SIDE?, IT'S THE 6 BALL AND IT GOES TWO IN THE CORNER) If you can control the speed of both balls on this shot I will move next door to SczBill. (Draw the ball 4 diamonds and keep the object ball from going past the side pocket?)option #2 (OPTION #2 LAYS PERFECT TO CUT CROSS BANK THE 6 BALL CROSS TABLE BETWEEN THE 5 AND 9 BALLS. i CAN EXECUTE THIS SHOT 100% OF THE TIME)
The way it lays on the 6 ball looks like you will have to pocket the 6 in the side in order to get back down table. Hitting it full enough to get to the good side of the side pocket will probably slow the cue ball down considerably. So much so that it probably wouldnt go past the side pocket on the return trip.

Beard

However, I agree completely on the 3rd option with you, that it is a stiff.
Your batting average is improving, you got 1 out of 3 right.:lol

What are you putting in your meatballs, acid?
I have noticed that you have this guy from Detroit endorsing all your rebuttals, invite him to Chicago when I go there, around mid August. The three of us can eat spaghetti and play both banks and one pocket, don't forget about inviting the Ghost too.:lol

While i'm there I can wright a book about banks that go, which i'll name the book "Banks that go and do" Plus i'll autograph all three books for you and your other two cheer leaders and then you guy's can pick up a few pointers about not only how to play better, but also how to win while playing.:D:sorry:D

Dr. Bill

oldspurguy 07-09-2012 02:45 PM

I guess I need to get Beard's books and DVD's because I'm still not seeing the six two rails in the corner.

fred bentivegna 07-09-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by oldspurguy (Post 96945)
I guess I need to get Beard's books and DVD's because I'm still not seeing the six two rails in the corner.

I must concede to Billy boy. I thought he meant 2 in the side. 2 in the corner can go. It can go on new cloth, but on older cloth you would need a little rt hand english to bring it short enough. It is a possible option, but you would have to blast it to make sure the 6 ball returns to the foot of the table. What often happens, however is the ball will bobble in the intended corner and then stay on the head of the table, leaving cross side or cross corner.
This also happens often on straight backs when one is trying to shoot it and play safe by pulling the cue ball back to the head rail. The difference between the difficulty of a straight back and a 2 in the corner however, is significant. That's why it is usually ok to shoot the straight back but pass on the 2 in the corner.

Beard


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