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LSJohn said:

Yes, I really did buy it. Maybe because I'm really comfortable with following 3 rails with inside, a shot I use a lot. I don't think it reduces my make percentage on the 3, and it looks like it sits well to follow to the middle diamond on my downtable long rail which gives a good straightback angle.

Where is the flaw, Bill?

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wincardona said:

First, the angle is flat enough to reduce your make percentage. Any time you hit a shot that lays on an angle similar to this angle you need to increase the speed of the shot to get the movement from the cue ball needed to go where you described. Plus, not only that, the 12ball is frozen, meaning that you need to end up closer to the rail with the cue ball or the position for the 12ball will not be suitable for banking it. If the 12ball wasn't on the rail then it would be a more appealing way of playing it, even then I would pass the method of following three rails, too risky.

What about the importance of getting in the "one hole", plus what would you feel like if you missed the 3ball and it went to your opponents side of the table.

Dr. Bill

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Frank Almanza said:

I completely agree with your assessment of that shot. I thought about this option but gave up on that idea for a couple reasons.
One was because of the inside English involved to get the cue ball to the proper location, which would be to near the side pocket to insure myself to beating the kiss when banking the twelve. That inside English would make the shot now iffy in regards to pocketing the three ball.

Second is that even I succeed in doing that with the three ball and with the twelve frozen or not I would have to bank the twelve with inside English again to make sure that after hitting the long rail the cue ball will remain on that end of the table and keep the cue ball from going back up table. That in itself could be a challenge. That shot I'm leaving for the top echelon players.

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onepockethacker said:

Yes.. thats my shot and for sore just like John said is what Shane, Alex, Scott, Efren etc.. would all shoot..... By the way we already agreed on tight pockets the 12 ball was the wrong shot.. so we are talking about loose pockets here remember.. Do you still want to play me on loose pockets?:heh:heh:heh

So after careful examination the 12 ball becomes the WRONG choice in every scenario.. see how easy that was..
P.S. By the way when you do these Accustat matches do you pay attention to the shots that these guys shoot at and make?

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wincardona said:

Of course I pay attention to the shots that are chosen, and either made or missed, just like I do when you're playing. Your shot selection on this site is much different then your shot selections when you're in a tough game, i witnessed that first hand. Please don't try to refer to the times when we played, I said when you are in a tough game.

The 12ball two railer for a top player on loose pockets is a very viable option, i'm certain of that. Playing the 3ball by following it three rails on tight pockets is a very foolish way to play it, i'm also certain of that. Playing the 3ball on tight pockets is the correct shot for all level of players, for players that are my speed and below it's clearly the right choice, i'm certain of that as well.

The 3ball option cannot be a bad choice, regardless of the players speed and the pocket size, however, the 12ball option for a top player on loose pockets is a good choice, in spite of what you may think. Playing slot machines in the casino's is also a bad choice but that hasn't stopped you from playing them, right? :sorry A little below the belt, but i'll give you a hug the next time we meet.

Dr. Bill

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LSJohn said:

I'd like to hear Tom Wirth on this. I respect the Dr. and Hacker both re shot selection, and when they differ I lean toward the one I think best fits my [lack of] skills.

Hacker's final choice here looks like my best chance to win on this turn.

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koldcash said:

Me and Melrose used to run the road together, he almost retired my steak horse with his shot selections lol.

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wincardona said:

Of course I pay attention to the shots that are chosen, and either made or missed, just like I do when you're playing. Your shot selection on this site is much different then your shot selections when you're in a tough game, i witnessed that first hand. Please don't try to refer to the times when we played, I said when you are in a tough game.

The 12ball two railer for a top player on loose pockets is a very viable option, i'm certain of that. Playing the 3ball by following it three rails on tight pockets is a very foolish way to play it, i'm also certain of that. Playing the 3ball on tight pockets is the correct shot for all level of players, for players that are my speed and below it's clearly the right choice, i'm certain of that as well.

The 3ball option cannot be a bad choice, regardless of the players speed and the pocket size, however, the 12ball option for a top player on loose pockets is a good choice, in spite of what you may think. Playing slot machines in the casino's is also a bad choice but that hasn't stopped you from playing them, right? :sorry A little below the belt, but i'll give you a hug the next time we meet.

Dr. Bill

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onepockethacker said:

LOL Rogan is still waiting for you to make Watson spot a ball when he was giving you 9 to 8... you only forgot 4 games in a row LMFAO:lol:lol I dusted his nuts off even but he stiffed us and the pool room for the last game LOL

P.S. How was the roasted duck in Arizona?

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onepockethacker said:

LOL Rogan is still waiting for you to make Watson spot a ball when he was giving you 9 to 8... you only forgot 4 games in a row LMFAO:lol:lol I dusted his nuts off even but he stiffed us and the pool room for the last game LOL

P.S. How was the roasted duck in Arizona?

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koldcash said:

Didn't Tony give you the 7 and the snap that day also(please don't say I broke the balls for you cos I didn't)....and yes I was tilted lol. But wait you had us 7500 hooked at grovers when the rogue almost packed it in....who got the cheese back...we were both spotting Vic 10-6....I was on the hill for another 5k, when the incident happened.....LOL.....You played well that trip in Arizona, I'll give you that.:lol....4 seems low....felt more like 6 games in a row

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koldcash said:

And yes Tony is a gem...we lose about 3k I think....then when you won in Hollywood...we win 500 and get stiffed for 500....delightful...love pool

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onepockethacker said:

You were down 3500 ( 7 games) to Tony getting the 9 to 8. I played him 300 a game 9 ball and he racked the balls.. I went 9 games in a row without making a ball on the break and lost 1500 to him. Best mud racker on the planet LOL. Then Tony came down here and played me even one pocket and I beat him 5 games and he stiffed everyone the last game...

P.S. Dont worry you will eventually beat Red EVEN.. since I give him 12 to 7 LMFAO

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onepockethacker said:

If you jar him he would play better!!:lol:lol

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koldcash said:

I believe I lost 6 games @ 300 a rattle.....Don't worry I already snapped Red off even...you need to update your pool detective app....and fix your bet size memory...

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onepockethacker said:

rogan remembers the numbers and still has nightmares about it.. You went for the large combo for $ 3500 and then i supersized it to an even $ 5000 lol you couldn't remember to spot the balls in the game you were playing now 15 years later you are going to remember what happened? Lol count duckworth:d:lol

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koldcash said:

the jug........

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onepockethacker said:

I have to give you credit.. you are right.. we both have addictions we can't kick... Im addicted to casinos and you are addicted to making bad shot choices in one pocket.. There are numbers we can both call for help.. I need to call 1-800-admit-it you need to call my cell phone :heh In both cases until either one is smart enough to admit we have a problem we are both stuck with our addictions

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wincardona said:

When your cell phone rings with my name on your caller ID ...please do me a favor and don't answer.

Dr. Bill

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LSJohn said:

How will he recognize the phone number of the institution you've been commited to?

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