jtompilot
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OMG WTF he used a jump cue. I thought they were playing 1P. I didn't know in 2004 you could use one. Serves him right to miss and lose
Putnam vs. Deuel
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straightback
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I have never seen jump cues allowed in any 1p match. Could make things interesting but I tend to like not messing with the Rolls Royce of cue sports.
Stupid shot, at any rate.
Stupid shot, at any rate.
tylerdurden
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He probably would have knocked that jump in 10 times in a row on 9 ball.
I think what happens in pool is many times if you choose the obviously wrong shot, even if you execute it all the time, you can't execute it in this case because it is so wrong and you know it deep down, and this makes you dog it deep.
I was looking at it and I wonder if he could have been thinking he'd try to steal a ball, and if he misses corey really doesn't have too much (unless he overcuts it and gives him the 7). Just guessing as to his potential thought process.
I think what happens in pool is many times if you choose the obviously wrong shot, even if you execute it all the time, you can't execute it in this case because it is so wrong and you know it deep down, and this makes you dog it deep.
I was looking at it and I wonder if he could have been thinking he'd try to steal a ball, and if he misses corey really doesn't have too much (unless he overcuts it and gives him the 7). Just guessing as to his potential thought process.
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Tyler, now that I look at it again, I think you are right - he was just trying to steal on and hoped to hit it with a touch a draw and basically try to stop it at the contact point. From my perspective, it is an ill-advised shot because the cue ball can hit the object ball on a bounce and you can lose control of both balls.
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Watched two good players play a 4,000 set a couple of weeks ago in Mobile. One broke the balls and had the other one in trouble. The other player puts his jump cue together, right in front of the other player and jumped a ball, hitting the rail, back into the stack, making a ball and spreading the balls perfect for a should be east 8 and out. The other player screamed no jump cues, and first claimed he had his back to him when he put together, and later changed it to I thought you was changing shafts, so he lied and did admit to watching him put it together. If nothing was mentioned about jump cues before they started, what was the right call, and he did sit there and watch him put it together, but didn't see the dead ball and thought he was shooting a safety. The other player had won the first game, and this was the second game, playing a 6 ahead.
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I mean if he just makes it, which I'm sure he thought he would, it will probably be easy to drive one or two up table. Or what if he saw this.... What if u make that jump get straight in on that 14 ball bank and just stick on The three ball. I'm not saying this was the right shot just maybe how he was thinking.
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It's that situation where there is a Shot and everyone knows it can be a Foul. Does the opponent call someone to watch the hit or not? Depending on the answer to that I would rule completely differently. Here, nobody was called over for anything, so the impression it gives is he is ok with the way he is addressing the ball, whether he saw the shot or not does not matter IMO. So I go with the shooter here even though I hate jumps in one hole
I was once playing a Mexican guy last pocket eight ball. I hooked myself on my last solid, kicked hard, and the solid flew in the side, and the the cb swung around for shape in that same side (miracle). The guy tried to act like I needed to call it even though we hadnt been playing that way. He then finally let me shoot the eight, which wasn't a hanger, and I made it and he broke his cue and quit even though it was one one race to three. That was one of the few times I really should have gotten into a fist fight I swear. Point in all that was when a guy thinks he is on the verge of winning, then he is actually about to lose, they will do anything to slime their way out of it. I think that's what happened here with the jump cue the guy was thinking I'm gonna get somethin juicy and then He backtracked.
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Rather than wondering what Putnam is thinking in this situation, I find myself wondering what was he thinking when he ran the 5 balls in his hole. As far as I'm concerned when a player is running balls in their pocket it shouldn't be with a TOTAL DISREGARD for balls near their opponents hole as well as LACK OF CONCERN for playing the score. Sean Putnam is way too good of a player to leave himself in this position after running 5 balls (possibly fatigued).
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Good points. He was probably an 85% favorite to make that ball, because he was an excellent jump shot shooter. But Fred's point is also true: he was simply taking the wrong shot. He was forcing the issue, trying to seal the win, and because that was in the back of his mind he missed. What was worse, the opponent didn't have to get out in this layout because it was so tough. But Corey put an exhibition runout on Sean, and that was all she wrote.
We've all taken shots when we have ignored the little man on our shoulder screaming at us to shoot something else. But yet we pull the trigger, and usually miss.
That's why the guys who can be patient generally come out on top.~Doc
needs more patience
vapros
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Doc, typing in a bold font is appreciated by all the old guys here whose eyes are not what they used to be. Let's hope the habit spreads.
I intended to post this message in Tahoma, size 5, but it didn't work. What did I miss?
Re: Putnam vs. Deuel
It shouldn't be too surprising, but I did actually see Corey jump in a 1p game once. He jump-banked a ball on Chris Bartram to get out of the break and get safe. I think its kind of silly to say it was the wrong shot simply because it was a short stick. It was the wrong shot because Sean had several other, better, options. I've seen Rafael jump the rail to escape a few times, which I practiced and added to my repertoire immediately. One pocket is full of shots that can be extremely silly out of context. Its not even unusual to pass up an easy cut for a bank that carries position, for example. If its the shot, its the shot, and there's no reason to preclude the jump (unless you can't jump, then ur jus jealous). We already have the Grady rule for people who don't have an endgame, what else you want to ban, ffs? Some people play 1p and can't really kick well, few can masse accurately, we could always ban kicking balls in or the elevating the cue. Sounds like a California prop. Lmao
It shouldn't be too surprising, but I did actually see Corey jump in a 1p game once. He jump-banked a ball on Chris Bartram to get out of the break and get safe. I think its kind of silly to say it was the wrong shot simply because it was a short stick. It was the wrong shot because Sean had several other, better, options. I've seen Rafael jump the rail to escape a few times, which I practiced and added to my repertoire immediately. One pocket is full of shots that can be extremely silly out of context. Its not even unusual to pass up an easy cut for a bank that carries position, for example. If its the shot, its the shot, and there's no reason to preclude the jump (unless you can't jump, then ur jus jealous). We already have the Grady rule for people who don't have an endgame, what else you want to ban, ffs? Some people play 1p and can't really kick well, few can masse accurately, we could always ban kicking balls in or the elevating the cue. Sounds like a California prop. Lmao
androd
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I have no problem with jump shots, I have a problem with jump cues.
Rod.
P.S. I jump the edges once in a while, I'd jump the whole thing, but my stroke is a little weak.
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I think what Stedyfred was saying was that Shawn hit his previous shot tremendously bad to even END UP in that position.
wincardona
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Putnam isn't regarded as a one pocket player, hes's basically a nine and ten ball player that occasionally plays one pocket. However, he's an excellent 9ball player that plays "aggressively" and carries that mentality into his one pocket game. Plus he's considered as Doc mentioned..an excellent jump shooter using the jump cue. With that understanding it isn't hard to believe that he chose the shot that he did and probably felt that it was the correct shot..in spite of the score.
For Putnam, like most every one else there's a learning curve and we all experience it. However, for some, things don't fall into perspective as quickly as it does for others, and considering Putnam's make up it just may take him a little longer to develop a solid one pocket game. Isn't there a story about the nature of the scorpion hitching a ride across the river with a turtle? Has something to do with the nature of the scorpion, in this case Putnam is the scorpion.
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For Putnam, like most every one else there's a learning curve and we all experience it. However, for some, things don't fall into perspective as quickly as it does for others, and considering Putnam's make up it just may take him a little longer to develop a solid one pocket game.
Isn't there a story about the nature of the scorpion hitching a ride across the river with a turtle? Has something to do with the nature of the scorpion, in this case Putnam is the scorpion.Bill Incardona
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Scrzbill
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This whole thing about the right shot, the wrong shot......blah. Of course doing a ticky off the ten leads to a prolonged game, but what if Shawn wanted to win or lose on that shot. If he had made it and run out, would that make it the right shot?
I learned the squeeze game growing up and when I moved to the Best coast, one opening and then the run out game popped up.
It could be the influence of the top one pocket players like Ronnie Allen on the Best coast who were very aggressive compared to the one and duck approach by players like Artie. The different influences on east coast gave way to the open vs squeeze games.
When you talk about tight players and moving balls just to extend the game, wasn't Varner the champion?:frus
I thought Putnam was a bank pool specialist? It seemed that way in 2003.
There are several guys around here who play the game of tickys and trying to match up with them is harder than cashing a third party check. An hour to play one game and they won't bet it up either.:
I learned the squeeze game growing up and when I moved to the Best coast, one opening and then the run out game popped up.
It could be the influence of the top one pocket players like Ronnie Allen on the Best coast who were very aggressive compared to the one and duck approach by players like Artie. The different influences on east coast gave way to the open vs squeeze games.
When you talk about tight players and moving balls just to extend the game, wasn't Varner the champion?:frus
I thought Putnam was a bank pool specialist? It seemed that way in 2003.
There are several guys around here who play the game of tickys and trying to match up with them is harder than cashing a third party check. An hour to play one game and they won't bet it up either.:
vapros
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Dr. Bill, before editing, didn't your post mention wasps and turtles? It drove me to Google, where I found a site called 'Tortoise Forum'. Members over there refer to these beasts as torts and turts, for short. Isn't that clever? Well, isn't it? Sort of . . .
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That's my shot. Looks like the only thing that can go wrong is getting too much of the 14 with the 10. If I have to cut the 10 a little more than I'd prefer, I'll settle for middle of the bottom rail.
wincardona
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You're correct, I did change the beast from a turtle to a turt. lol Wasn't that clever?
Shawn "The Turt" Putnam
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Frog, Turtle, Turt, Wasp, whatever, I find myself getting confused more often now a days :sorry Probably was a Frog.
Regardless of what, or who it was, it wont be making the same mistake..I think.Bill Incardona