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I can't believe you asked me a question I answered in my post. Look up above for why I think that.

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Ok what good is it being confident you are going to make it if you are either going to sell out if you miss or get 1 ball. If you are confident you are going to make it then why not play shape FOR YOURSELF
 

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That wasn't nice. I've noticed that lately you've been a little out of control, you need to make a bad game and play loose.:D I mean that in the most sincerest of ways. I'm possibly going to travel soon and Fl. is one of my possible destinations for enjoyment. There's the casino "Hard Rock" and then there is Gulf Stream for an afternoon. The food is fantastic, and all that's left is a sucker, besides me.:)

Oh, I forgot you quit playing, didn't you? My bad, just bet on me Bert, I can't lose.

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I guess you forgot what Bert told Eddie when he asked Bert if he thought he could lose...... Bert said.. " I've never seen you do anything else":D:sorry:lol
 

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Ok what good is it being confident you are going to make it if you are either going to sell out if you miss or get 1 ball. If you are confident you are going to make it then why not play shape FOR YOURSELF

Maybe he didn't like following the shot because of losing accuracy, he obviously shot it like it was a hanger which was indicated when he drew the cue ball.:frus
How many times have we stopped our cue ball when cinching a shot? Plenty. He played to stop his cue ball and forgot about the ball.

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Maybe he didn't like following the shot because of losing accuracy, he obviously shot it like it was a hanger which was indicated when he drew the cue ball.:frus
How many times have we stopped our cue ball when cinching a shot? Plenty. He played to stop his cue ball and forgot about the ball.

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This is like the Compton shot against Appleton. So on a scale from 1 to 10 how would you rate josh's shot choice? considering the ball by Joeys hole and Josh's other options he had available to him
 

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This is like the Compton shot against Appleton. So on a scale from 1 to 10 how would you rate josh's shot choice? considering the ball by Joeys hole and Josh's other options he had available to him

Actually, in defense of Josh I think he shot a borderline shot, but only if the combination was an easy make.. 90%. Some times from the computer screen we see things differently than the player at the table. If he thought that he was a big favorite to make the combo then his shot , to me, was acceptable.

To put a percentage on the shot for it to persuade me to shoot it I would have to feel that I would make the combo at least five out of six, or six out of seven times.

Look at it this way. what are the percentages with any other option? Playing he 4ball into the 10ball looks to be no more than a 60% to 65% success rate.
Playing the 12ball looks to be about around 40% for a decent player. So if i'm close with my guesses then shooting the combo if you're a 85% favorite is a good shot.

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Actually, in defense of Josh I think he shot a borderline shot, but only if the combination was an easy make.. 90%. Some times from the computer screen we see things differently than the player at the table. If he thought that he was a big favorite to make the combo then his shot , to me, was acceptable.

To put a percentage on the shot for it to persuade me to shoot it I would have to feel that I would make the combo at least five out of six, or six out of seven times.

Look at it this way. what are the percentages with any other option? Playing he 4ball into the 10ball looks to be no more than a 60% to 65% success rate.
Playing the 12ball looks to be about around 40% for a decent player. So if i'm close with my guesses then shooting the combo if you're a 85% favorite is a good shot.

Dr. Bill

Your percentages are way off on this one Billy:sorry:frus
 

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joey grayjosh roberts/smokin aces #1

This is like the Compton shot against Appleton. So on a scale from 1 to 10 how would you rate josh's shot choice? considering the ball by Joeys hole and Josh's other options he had available to him


I know you aren't asking me but I'll answer anyway lol. It was a terrible choice IMO. I saw the shot but like others saw that it was a "one and done" with a huge downside. Just a misfire. For him maybe he shoots his way out so often it was a calculated risk. For me it was a non-starter.
 

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Your percentages are way off on this one Billy:sorry:frus

Totally agree. The 4 into 10 shot is not a grinders shot its the most logical one.
And 75% success rate. Thats 3 out 4 times you get rid of the 10 and put your opponent in a safe situation.

You got no balls on your side you got a big problem with your opponent having a ball in his hole. You got to solve that problem first.
Combo shot was idiotic, particularly being 8 feet away from it, and if Im the backer or ring man I would call a time out and have a talking to with the young man.

Youre trying to win money here not the purple heart.
 
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Actually, in defense of Josh I think he shot a borderline shot, but only if the combination was an easy make.. 90%. Some times from the computer screen we see things differently than the player at the table. If he thought that he was a big favorite to make the combo then his shot , to me, was acceptable.

To put a percentage on the shot for it to persuade me to shoot it I would have to feel that I would make the combo at least five out of six, or six out of seven times.

Look at it this way. what are the percentages with any other option? Playing he 4ball into the 10ball looks to be no more than a 60% to 65% success rate.
Playing the 12ball looks to be about around 40% for a decent player. So if i'm close with my guesses then shooting the combo if you're a 85% favorite is a good shot.

Dr. Bill

I would love to do the commentary with you on a match sometime.. I think it would be informative and a riot at the same time:D
 

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Totally agree. The 4 into 10 shot is not a grinders shot its the most logical one.
And 75% success rate. Thats 3 out 4 times you get rid of the 10 and put your opponent in a safe situation.

You got no balls on your side you got a big problem with your opponent having a ball in his hole. You got to solve that problem first.
Combo shot was idiotic, particularly being 8 feet away from it, and if Im the backer or ring man I would call a time out and have a talking to with the young man.

Youre trying to win money here not the purple heart.

Your points are well taken but you're not considering the return bank with the 3ball you will be leaving. That's my concern with playing any option other than the 12ball cut option. (with the exception of the combo Josh shot)

Your success rate is not only based on clearing the 4ball and 10ball but also not leaving a reasonably good shot on the 3ball bank or the 12ball.

There are a number of things that needed to be considered before choosing the option that was suited best for this position. A position that is obvious to me that it's going to take a very good shot with equally good execution to escape..unscathed.. from this position. That's possibly why Josh chose the combo.

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Your points are well taken but you're not considering the return bank with the 3ball you will be leaving. That's my concern with playing any option other than the 12ball cut option. (with the exception of the combo Josh shot)

Your success rate is not only based on clearing the 4ball and 10ball but also not leaving a reasonably good shot on the 3ball bank or the 12ball.

There are a number of things that needed to be considered before choosing the option that was suited best for this position. A position that is obvious to me that it's going to take a very good shot with equally good execution to escape..unscathed.. from this position. That's possibly why Josh chose the combo.

Dr. Bill

No matter how you sugar coat it that shot selection smelled like a whore house at low tide
 

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in all seriousness :eek:.....i can picture the jovial/respectful banter back and fourth.....but i'd like to hear rob's mind at work and think he'd be spot on for that kind of gig....
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Thanks guys (I think) LOL I have never been on a microphone so don't know how I would do but I would give it my best. I would only want to do one with Billy to start because we get along well and Billy's the best so he could carry my ass (better wear your back brace Billy) LOL until I get comfortable... I really do think we would work well together. One thing is I wouldn't want to hurt the match in anyway because that is what people are there for.
One thing that I think I bring to the booth is a combination of old school moving and also the aggressive style of the young players. One thing you guys might find interesting is I think I play my best when im really aggressive and that is how I played 5 to 10 years ago but I was also playing all the time so you can be more aggressive. As the amount I play has gone down I have become more of a mover because i don't run the balls like I used to( 10 and out used to be a joke now Im happy with 4 or 5 LOL) I think to win against today's players you have to have a combination of both but favoring the aggressive side a little more.. Just my .02
 

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Thanks guys (I think) LOL I have never been on a microphone so don't know how I would do but I would give it my best. I would only want to do one with Billy to start because we get along well and Billy's the best so he could carry my ass (better wear your back brace Billy) LOL until I get comfortable... I really do think we would work well together. One thing is I wouldn't want to hurt the match in anyway because that is what people are there for.
One thing that I think I bring to the booth is a combination of old school moving and also the aggressive style of the young players. One thing you guys might find interesting is I think I play my best when im really aggressive and that is how I played 5 to 10 years ago but I was also playing all the time so you can be more aggressive. As the amount I play has gone down I have become more of a mover because i don't run the balls like I used to( 10 and out used to be a joke now Im happy with 4 or 5 LOL) I think to win against today's players you have to have a combination of both but favoring the aggressive side a little more.. Just my .02
Rob, we will get this done, i'll talk to Pat and i'm sure that you'll be sitting next to me during a one pocket match that carries high interest. We can start out by doing possibly a "Tedder" vs "Death Ball" and then eventually we'll do a match that features some one like John Ditoro vs Gary (what's his name) Doing commentary on players that we know well and played is a lot more fun, however, in your case it will be players that you know of, not players that you know well.:D j.k. j.k. I like the idea and look forward in doing commentary with you in "high profile" matches, I believe you will be great.:)

Dr. Bill
 

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I agree, Bill. Rob is knowledgeable about 1P (and rotation), and he has a great sense of humor. So you'd get intuitiveness plus lots of laughs. How could you go wrong???

~Doc
 
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